Jhanak Written Update And Episode Discussion thread No 88 - Page 105

Originally posted by: xnbstar

Jhanak's initial reason for pushing Ani was her illegitimate child status, which she shared with Adi in Mumbai.

Since that was resolved, homewrecker tag is now the focus of conflict. It's quite evident that the writer is artificially forcing a vague narrative and constantly preventing clearcommunication to separate the leads.

Again, the lack of communication and artificially created misunderstandings are the story's key problems unlike Arshi or any homewrecker tag.

Ani's love for Jhanak is burning her, but he never considers the suffocation, humiliation, and painful torture his family inflicts on her.

Therefore, Jhanak's practical decision-making is severely affected, leading to low self-esteem and a lack of motivation to take a stand and fight. Undeniably, she always opts for the easiest route to escape from this undesirable situation due to this.

I sometimes feel Anirudh is equally responsible for Jhanak's dejected condition, despite all the positive things he has done for her. Jhanak already shared with Anirudh that no matter how much effort he put into enhancing her life, it always ended in pain and disgrace for her.

Uska pyaar jalata bhi aur abad bhi karta hai! 🔥

100% very good perspective. Bold is true. Ani wants J and selfishly has let her take the brunt of the BH animosity his decision to bring her to his home. His simple solution is for her to ignore...but he does not realise how caustic BH words are. How will he - when he himself has brutally cut through J's heart and confidence with his harsh words - sharam nahi hai, unwed girl with child, his demeaning comments when he thought she loved Rahul, his hypocrisy - pda with Arshi but needing J to never think of Rahul or Adi, too many to narrate

Originally posted by: sanfan

Hi Priya,

One thing is constant… that line you mentioned that Leena can tomorrow wipe out any conversation that we have here 😂😂😂😂 & another thing we both are at always at different tangents 🙈😂😂😂

This post I am going to focus on Jhanak largely but like I said I will write a response to your earlier post and this regarding Ani not because we have divergence in how we view Ani as how Leena interprets him and what he comes across as but just becos I love giving interpretations to scenes/ characters… although I am low on motivation now.

Bold - I view resentment in her actions but certainly not stemming from his initial hesitation… that’s wholly absurd… Are you saying Jhanak was holding this against Ani… … The resentment from the aftermath of the decision is a wholly different thing and there are nuances to it but If Jhanak’s resentment was from that initial refusal.. wouldn’t that mean she has a greater victimhood complex than say Arshi in this tale? Jhanak asked Ani to take that action in this tale simply becos it would have looked stupid if Ani suggested it. The suggestion had to come from her as Ani needed to be assured that it was a temporary arrangement… who else could have suggested it? Rahul perhaps but Ani would have only accepted if Jhanak has assented to it so my point is let’s move on to what follows… also.. if you see the initial Jhanak… she had a certain fierce quality ( low ambition or not is a separate point) about her that looked at fighting not giving up… Today a lot of the fierceness is gone cos circumstances have gone against her constantly..

Also it is timely to point out that all characterisations in stories work on expediency… Very rarely in this medium you will have a tale of clear conviction and a linear plot moving in straight line… it’s all about how much of the expediency is explained away in this tale with some basis.
I explained above one expediency.. Forced wedding itself is a trope to get two people under one roof… which expediency works for the viewer depends on how it is narrated.

Tales aren’t a slice of life… they aim for some relatability but very little else.. cos most love tales will collapse if we keep it too real. No Arshi will behave like this in real life, No Ani and No Jhanak…will either. Arshi and Ani would have parted long long ago whether on good or bad terms… Or if Ani was really in love with Arshi… he would have kept J at arm’s distance…

For me about stories and characterisations… it is about understanding the pov of the writer or their sensibility. When I watched this tale, I thought Leena is looking to say Love is Love and she is putting the lovers in a prison of their own making…and making this about how they get out of it…But now I don’t know … but the way I read it.. Jhanak making a big thing about morality needs to stack it up with how she feels when Ani actually goes away ( or is forced to go) from her life but not on her terms. Here she perceives herself perched at a very high moral ground secure in the knowledge that their love is enough to wade through life. But what happens when that status quo changes… will she be able to hold on to that high ground of “ I don’t want to come between you and my sister” ? Situations test our positions held on morality.. the lens through which we see it is always an evolving one and while some core aspects remain rigid and uncompromised… others change due to dynamics around it… like if you are playing fair but say the opponent isn’t etc

In this tale at this point, Jhanak has perched herself atop a hill based on her experiences and her perception of what life has dealt her, she is not ready to face any more What Ani does or doesn’t isn’t the thing that will bring her a notch below. It is what she does with new knowledge that is to be seen ( Leena stretching that like a chewing gum is a bore but I am assuming if the baby track doesn’t do it nothing will)

Ok now coming to the resentments you have mentioned.. you observations are hopefully not a static one… In our own relationships… we evolve… we have some understanding and then we gain more… then something happens that doesn’t tally with our new understanding we recalibrate… we learn more about people we profess to love… so does our understanding and acceptance. Jhanak has evolved through that process… as also Ani

There are resentments she holds in her heart no doubt… but hasn’t she also gained understanding about her relationship with Sirjee over the year? To reach the stage of “ I love you and I know you love me too immensely” … She asked Ani “ ISNT THAT ENOUGH FOR US” ? She asked Ani the question but it is Jhanak who will have to answer it.

hey we used to share very similar perspectives earlier. After aag episode my read of Ani has been way more critical than yours - and thats where the main diff stems. You give him leeway by interpreting and excusing his actions as writer proficiency issues. I only assess the story based on what I see, not assuming writer meant this but poor writing is indicating differently.

At least thats what I think is happening.

J is nowhere perfect. I do believe she was hurt by Ani's initial abruptness while considering her request to marry him. NO she never wanted him to nibhaofy that relationship, but after seeing him be so supportive of her - that sullenness and blaming of her, Ani did on the day of the forced marriage and the first few days in BH I do believe contributed to her firm resolution in not asserting her relationship with him against his with Arshi. She did have expectations from him, once he applied sindoor on her, even though it is not justifiable, thats why all her comments have always been tinged with that edge where she shows her bitterness without meaning to. So many incidents - her insistense in the car that he drop her on the road when Tejas was pursuing them and Ani felt bad lying to Arshi, the way he reacted when she burst into his room where he was doing pda with Arshi and he yelled at her...the whole saree situation...J had expectations from Ani from the moment the sindoor hit her forehead, whether she accepts it or not. She says something but her accusing stare and words conflict. Everytime she says I will leave for ever it seems more like a threat to Ani than a true desire to leave and let Ani Arshi be happy.

Even when she left for Kashmir - she told him - I would never take back a gift and give to another. She held the marriage reversal against him even though she herself denied the marriage. She has said that once Sindoor was applied her whole perspective changed. She also has always considered him her husband thats why she always gave in to him before she left for her exams in Kashmir. She keeps saying she has no one to Ani - always in an complaining upset tone.

Ani is a flip flopper who does not know how to assess his own feelings and is very short sighted. J is passive aggressive contradictory woman who knows exactly what she wants but lets the happenings of the past cloud her judgement and sense. Both are flawed. I sympathsize with J more only because she has cause to be the way she is. Ani could have had better sense given his relatively easier life. Deceiving Arshi and hurting Jhanak for the sake of his hurt ego is a very childish thing to do, and I am very glad Leena gave him the due consequences of his actions.

Ani says his marriage with Arshi broke independently of J. But when he thought J was dead, he wanted Arshi with him. He thinks of J while making love to Arshi. He demands J give in to him and stay in toxic BH and listen to his toxic family when her father just died. It's all about him. He was willing to help her till he learned abt AK marriage acceptance. So his love for j is selfish. Its never been about her happiness.

Lets see how much Arshi pregnancy affects J and then we can see if your theory of J not understanding the practicality of what she believes. I am curious to see how Leena handles this. My take is while she wont be jumping for joy, she will not be overly impacted.

Originally posted by: xnbstar

Jhanak wholeheartedly embraced him during the Kashmir night and even dreamed of a happy married life with him. However, the writer has now drastically shifted the narrative.

The blame lies squarely on poor writing.

@red Completely agreed!

Jhanak wholeheartedly embraced him during the Kashmir night and even dreamed of a happy married life with him till certain point.

However, the writer has now drastically shifted the narrative from her illegitimate child tag to the present homewrecker tag.

The blame lies squarely on poor writing. Business Business Business 😕

My take still remains. J's moral high horse is only a front...core reason is her belief that Ani is responsible for the wrong done to Arshi. Post their consumation, if Ani had accepted publicly he loved her and not Arhsi - she would have accepted him. She came to Calcutta for him. When they came back to Calcutta and he lied that he brought J for AniArshi wedding, seemed to go along with all wedding preps without any whisper, questioned J for involving in his marriage discussions, was performing for Arshi, his unreasonable ask from J to stay in a house he got for her in Calcutta (that seemed like his whole ask from J was for her to live with him while he married Arshi); J realized Ani Arshi were never going to be broken for many reasons - Ani's sense of responsibility, Arshi's possessiveness, Shristi's malice, BH hatred of her, Ani's own performance backed practices, her sense of right towards Arshi didi.

Thats why I believe J feels Ani made his decision wrt Arshi and he needs to stand by it.

Originally posted by: PPak

hey we used to share very similar perspectives earlier. After aag episode my read of Ani has been way more critical than yours - and thats where the main diff stems. You give him leeway by interpreting and excusing his actions as writer proficiency issues. I only assess the story based on what I see, not assuming writer meant this but poor writing is indicating differently.

At least thats what I think is happening.

J is nowhere perfect. I do believe she was hurt by Ani's initial abruptness while considering her request to marry him. NO she never wanted him to nibhaofy that relationship, but after seeing him be so supportive of her - that sullenness and blaming of her, Ani did on the day of the forced marriage and the first few days in BH I do believe contributed to her firm resolution in not asserting her relationship with him against his with Arshi. She did have expectations from him, once he applied sindoor on her, even though it is not justifiable, thats why all her comments have always been tinged with that edge where she shows her bitterness without meaning to. So many incidents - her insistense in the car that he drop her on the road when Tejas was pursuing them and Ani felt bad lying to Arshi, the way he reacted when she burst into his room where he was doing pda with Arshi and he yelled at her...the whole saree situation...J had expectations from Ani from the moment the sindoor hit her forehead, whether she accepts it or not. She says something but her accusing stare and words conflict. Everytime she says I will leave for ever it seems more like a threat to Ani than a true desire to leave and let Ani Arshi be happy.

Even when she left for Kashmir - she told him - I would never take back a gift and give to another. She held the marriage reversal against him even though she herself denied the marriage. She has said that once Sindoor was applied her whole perspective changed. She also has always considered him her husband thats why she always gave in to him before she left for her exams in Kashmir. She keeps saying she has no one to Ani - always in an complaining upset tone.

Ani is a flip flopper who does not know how to assess his own feelings and is very short sighted. J is passive aggressive contradictory woman who knows exactly what she wants but lets the happenings of the past cloud her judgement and sense. Both are flawed. I sympathsize with J more only because she has cause to be the way she is. Ani could have had better sense given his relatively easier life. Deceiving Arshi and hurting Jhanak for the sake of his hurt ego is a very childish thing to do, and I am very glad Leena gave him the due consequences of his actions.

Ani says his marriage with Arshi broke independently of J. But when he thought J was dead, he wanted Arshi with him. He thinks of J while making love to Arshi. He demands J give in to him and stay in toxic BH and listen to his toxic family when her father just died. It's all about him. He was willing to help her till he learned abt AK marriage acceptance. So his love for j is selfish. Its never been about her happiness.

Lets see how much Arshi pregnancy affects J and then we can see if your theory of J not understanding the practicality of what she believes. I am curious to see how Leena handles this. My take is while she wont be jumping for joy, she will not be overly impacted.

I agree with your analysis of Jhanak's character.

Ani's prior actions considerably lowered her confidence regarding their relationship. Even though he is crystal clear and honest with her about his opinion regarding Arshi, he still needs to rebuild her lost trust and avoid causing her further disgrace because of Adi.

She once said, "Ap dono ka rishta koi toofan nahin hila sakta." Only when she becomes that storm will RuNak be together. For this reason, she needs to be brave and strong to avenge the evil Basus 💯

Upcoming strong character assassination and humiliation will shatter her again, like the jail track, further igniting her vengeful fire 🔥

Originally posted by: PPak

My take still remains. J's moral high horse is only a front...core reason is her belief that Ani is responsible for the wrong done to Arshi. Post their consumation, if Ani had accepted publicly he loved her and not Arhsi - she would have accepted him. She came to Calcutta for him. When they came back to Calcutta and he lied that he brought J for AniArshi wedding, seemed to go along with all wedding preps without any whisper, questioned J for involving in his marriage discussions, was performing for Arshi, his unreasonable ask from J to stay in a house he got for her in Calcutta (that seemed like his whole ask from J was for her to live with him while he married Arshi); J realized Ani Arshi were never going to be broken for many reasons - Ani's sense of responsibility, Arshi's possessiveness, Shristi's malice, BH hatred of her, Ani's own performance backed practices, her sense of right towards Arshi didi.

Thats why I believe J feels Ani made his decision wrt Arshi and he needs to stand by it.

You spoke my heart here! ❤️

The day after their Kashmir night, when Ani told Arshi he would fulfill his responsibilities, her monologue was, "If you happily stay with Arshi Didi, won't I be sad?". I understand Ani choice of words and timing wasn't appropriate that time and he never shared his intention of leaving Arshi.

Most significantly, taking Jhanak back to Bh without any solid reason and let her humiliated by his family followed by living in a different apartment, caused her extreme anger. That was the worst, vaguest scene I can't understand so far. If he wanted to propose to Jhanak, then why such comments?

Undeniably, I have admit again that the storytelling is too fuzzy and poorly thought of.

Originally posted by: xnbstar

You spoke my heart here! ❤️

The day after their Kashmir night, when Ani told Arshi he would fulfill his responsibilities, her monologue was, "If you happily stay with Arshi Didi, won't I be sad?". I understand Ani choice of words and timing wasn't appropriate that time and he never shared his intention of leaving Arshi.

Most significantly, taking Jhanak back to Bh without any solid reason and let her humiliated by his family followed by living in a different apartment, caused her extreme anger. That was the worst, vaguest scene I can't understand so far. If he wants to propose to Jhanak, then why such comments?

Undeniably, I have admit again that the storytelling is too fuzzy and poorly thought of.

Zaineb, the writing was terribly vague here…Also the realisation of Ani’s love was new despite all the events leading up to it… The ILU weren’t really meant until the tumour track cos until then Ani hadn’t only vaguely countered the possibility of what a moral dilemma it could be.So what he told Jhanak and how Jhanak responded were in the realm of two people newly in love expressing themselves but in vague terms. Ani was worried of rejection by Jhanak and Jhanak wasn’t letting Ani consider any possibility of breaking off with Arshi… To me, this was rank expedient. It was a stage of Jo tumko ho pasand wohi baat kahenge…by Ani

& Jhanak being “ Hum tumko baat kehne hi nahin denge ” so a gridlock was enforced by Leena

Is today’s episode up yet?

Originally posted by: sanfan

Is today’s episode up yet?

It's already there kafi time se.

Originally posted by: sanfan

Zaineb, the writing was terribly vague here…Also the realisation of Ani’s love was new despite all the events leading up to it… The ILU weren’t really meant until the tumour track cos until then Ani hadn’t only vaguely countered the possibility of what a moral dilemma it could be.So what he told Jhanak and how Jhanak responded were in the realm of two people newly in love expressing themselves but in vague terms. Ani was worried of rejection by Jhanak and Jhanak wasn’t letting Ani consider any possibility of breaking off with Arshi… To me, this was rank expedient. It was a stage of Jo tumko ho pasand wohi baat kahenge…by Ani

& Jhanak being “ Hum tumko baat kehne hi nahin denge ” so a gridlock was enforced by Leena

Complete fuzzy writing - incoherent and inconsistent more precisely

Originally posted by: sanfan

Zaineb, the writing was terribly vague here…Also the realisation of Ani’s love was new despite all the events leading up to it… The ILU weren’t really meant until the tumour track cos until then Ani hadn’t only vaguely countered the possibility of what a moral dilemma it could be.So what he told Jhanak and how Jhanak responded were in the realm of two people newly in love expressing themselves but in vague terms. Ani was worried of rejection by Jhanak and Jhanak wasn’t letting Ani consider any possibility of breaking off with Arshi… To me, this was rank expedient. It was a stage of Jo tumko ho pasand wohi baat kahenge…by Ani

& Jhanak being “ Hum tumko baat kehne hi nahin denge ” so a gridlock was enforced by Leena

So why was Ani dreaming of a Suhaagraat with J where he is telling her he loved her from the first moment he saw her, that he knew God wanted them to be together, thats why they kept coming back to eo.

Also Ani wearing J's ring and his claim of J being berehem, his telling J they were husband and wife regardless of what they chose to accept, awareness that J's leaving would cause a big void in his life, his ILU in the train station. No one is as stupid or late to realize love after all they showed us.

So when Ani after dreaming of Suhaag raat with J and telling her he loved her there was no clarity of thought in his head that he is in love with J. You are damning Ani more than I ever did...both in terms of stupidity and wilful ignorance.

If it took Ani so long to understand the moral dilemna mentally he is deformed and incapable of normal human thinking. Entire BH J and all of the audience realized the dilemna from day1. Story should be realistic not set in some lala illogical structure.