KMTMG Discussions Thread #10 - Page 66

I'm not going to find time in watching KKB even if I can find those early episodes.1 Itv show is alright for me. I also prefer to deal with shows more current. I'm happy to learn from everyone else knowledge of KKB. Thank you for 1st para.

Amu character- is interesting. In a way she is doing same for virat like father. Amu put her career & marriage with Shubh away to help father. Now she does it with Virat- except its more complicated now. When Ishika entered the relationship with Amu father stopped. With Virat, Ex entered & Babita exposed she does not leave virat but attaches herself to his family making it more complicated. Im sorry to say just like Babita character it clear Amu character is also flat line or stagnant to be more kind.

Virat & Babita points- agree & understand your points. Theres nothing to add in a sad I've given up way... 1 thought just ocurred. babita & Ex & Rajvir have grown to actual criminals. Babita character in her efforts to get rid of worsened... to the point theres no doubt. She dont care about her children but her Image & Self ambitions- All her family must just align

Best growth seen is from Bhavani & nimmi as characters- We can attribute this to Amu but no growth as what she did for Bhavani was done for Nimmi. Dragging exposure & not dealing with Babita response & trust have ruined both V A... who cares as long as Babita is shown the same. Creators wont hear any different.

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

[Realised this reply doesn't go along the lines of your post.]

One of my main issues with the show is the lead characters and their character arcs. Can add Babita to it too.

I just looked at what the parallel 349th ep was in kkb - its the one where Pragya leaves Abhi's house and comes to her home... leaving the relationship despite them loving eo because Tanu falsely claims and convinced everyone that she is pregnant with Abhi's kid. By this time I as an audience am sold... AbhiGya have been through a journey - disgusting many times but loveable many times too. Abhi has grown from a spoilt brat to a loveable guy, has been through his redemption arc along with it. There have been loads of fall and holds, eye locks, banters, confrontations, and also the disgusting parallel of the mela eps in the form of mms track. The characters have 'grown' over the past 349 eps and they look like two 'mature' individuals dealing with their life circumstances, doing what is, to the best of their knowledge, the right thing to do. We can agree on their decisions or disagree.

Coming back to Kmtmg... Has Virat grown as a person? Only thing I see is he has sobered up compared to how he was in the initial eps. But I feel he has miles to go before I can consider him 'mature'. I doubt he can even function without Amruta being around him. His actions are many times questionable, even if it be better than before.

Has Amruta grown as a character? To me she has shown negative growth - from someone who wont mind calling a spade a spade to someone who looks at a spade and claims it to be diamond. But yeah... except for her hangover around Virat (which unfortunately is most of the time these days) she is still much more mature and capable than him.

Of course, we have the parallel chem scenes... but resting on a questionable relationship. They can make love, they can have babies, even fight over whether it should be a son or a daughter.... no issues... But is this the way they want it to be? Does that beginning they had a good enough and strong base to hold their relationship and others related to it, including new ones that can come up?

Babita - despite everything she has been the flat line... and a flat line when it comes to stories and heart... is a dead character. Its becomes a wall, an obstacle that the protagonists have to jump over and unfortunately our protagonists have shown no intent to do so yet. May be they will on the last day of the show.

ML being an idiot is fine... but only to begin with. He has to grow. Unfortunately... that looks like a loong journey for our guy... unlike the above mentioned phase in kkb. Pragya grew too... but Ammu... sorry.

Yup. Will agree Ammu's character is stagnant. Wont call it flat - cause growth has gone negative in many senses. Only growth is her growth in supposed 'love' which looks more delusional than real.

But ... I notice one thing... change the way they got married and it's okay... perhaps even loveable too. What she does fits like what she did around dad's financial trouble times. Even with the complications related to Babs this would've been fine.

The writers see it... hence the pretense that nothing bad happened back then.

There is another point that shows writers attitude to crimes have changed... I know many roll there eyes at me looking at screen when I complain about villians. However show was not always like this.

Pls think back to after Janmashtami when we all thought Ex time finally done. Babita confronted Ex & Babita admitted herself attempt to murder is serious crime. Ex response was babita to blame as she said to whatever it takes. MY POINT - Where is that attitude to crimes that villians dont cross & get Away with... what happen after? Murder attempts got worse with chandelier & Nimmi in fire. Still the villians continue with no justice. This is a clear inconsistency from writers

Oh... they've been consistent - villains will never be held to justice... that's been how they are since the beginning. They will only leave the show when not required anymore. They will find the lamest of excuses to continue with them... (and I would say that's not a unique problem with this show... happens in many ... just that our writers are more on the face about it - they dont waste time showing some form of justice being meted out... holds true to a character like Jayesh too... that's been another flat character ... as interesting as idk..an amoeba.

I understand your point on change how they got married. View will change of their relationship. Would we not sit here & think why she married someone immature unable to say anything on Babita... Didn't she see theres no love for wife like for his family? Would we still say virat & Amu characters have worsened? She learnt nothing from Father but married Virat & what is virat problem as he learnt nothing from his divorce to make this marriage work? His attitude to his mother & family is reason a marriage cant work.

Maybe with forced marriage & whitewash of it. All the above questions have been avoided

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

Yup. Will agree Ammu's character is stagnant. Wont call it flat - cause growth has gone negative in many senses. Only growth is her growth in supposed 'love' which looks more delusional than real.

But ... I notice one thing... change the way they got married and it's okay... perhaps even loveable too. What she does fits like what she did around dad's financial trouble times. Even with the complications related to Babs this would've been fine.

The writers see it... hence the pretense that nothing bad happened back then.

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I understand your point on writers consistency for villians. My point is there is a growing mismatch between the severity of Villians crimes & the characters response to it. Im saying there are sooooo many in 1 show all get away. In most other shows they are caught but get released somehow or get a proxy to continue their work from jail or whilst in a dark room.

Today we have rajiv able to enter the apartment building with another disappointing peak to his attempt in murdering everyone in apartment to illolgical damage done. Here again is my point made on previous thread. We have become desensitised to writers logic & just accept it

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

Oh... they've been consistent - villains will never be held to justice... that's been how they are since the beginning. They will only leave the show when not required anymore. They will find the lamest of excuses to continue with them... (and I would say that's not a unique problem with this show... happens in many ... just that our writers are more on the face about it - they dont waste time showing some form of justice being meted out... holds true to a character like Jayesh too... that's been another flat character ... as interesting as idk..an amoeba.

Originally posted by: sugz

I understand your point on change how they got married. View will change of their relationship. Would we not sit here & think why she married someone immature unable to say anything on Babita... Didn't she see theres no love for wife like for his family? Would we still say virat & Amu characters have worsened? She learnt nothing from Father but married Virat & what is virat problem as he learnt nothing from his divorce to make this marriage work? His attitude to his mother & family is reason a marriage cant work.

Maybe with forced marriage & whitewash of it. All the above questions have been avoided

Yup. We would've complained about other things. But things we complain about would be 'better'. Better to complain about does he appear to love her as much as he loves his family than complain about how the f * is that even a wedding or a valid relationship.

May be tactically avoided it all... but then replaced it with what? I dont want the sheep that comes up everyday in my room... so I brought a tiger in?

Yup. I get your point about villains. .. it's a stupid rule our writers have followed.

Btw glad that at least today someone figured out where the geyser came from. And yet no info about if they had it there before.

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 oh I will be laughing at response all till later before next episode.

Yes another way at getting married would be better complaints in nature. Im saying we would never consider this a worthy match. We may express hesitation or be silent... do you think we would have ever have found this " loveable " ? . Like my Rajiv abuse view similarly cant see any V A future or reason for it. Babita & trust issue at least needs intent to resolve from these 2 or plan to work on issues before I can accept these chem acts

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

Yup. We would've complained about other things. But things we complain about would be 'better'. Better to complain about does he appear to love her as much as he loves his family than complain about how the f * is that even a wedding or a valid relationship.

May be tactically avoided it all... but then replaced it with what? I dont want the sheep that comes up everyday in my room... so I brought a tiger in?