KMTMG Discussions Thread #9 - Page 55

Originally posted by: sugz

I've responded to this post as it has the questions but responds to both posts. Does it make any sense? Yes- finally there is some sense. Its bitter because its coming from you not the writers- why bitter from you? I will refuse to accept the writers have half brain capacity to explain Amu dealing with Virat as you have. Bitter as they will develop story further based on their half baked reason not your logical 1

Hadn't realised similarities in how Amu speaks to Virat & Nimmi till your point. Its interesting but mainly insulting for Virat character. He supposed to have work experience & edilucatipn also experience from 1 marriage.

Pls Can I add for me your point sort of echoes mine in last post. By Amu dealing with him this way... is she making him compatible by leading as an example in how she places herself in Ahuja family? Virat eego is getting smaller for Amu. 1st in how he apologized to bhavani. 2nd in hearing Amu advive as delusion to apologise to Ex & Rajiv- not go on violent drunk rampage. Its possible all these events from Mela were to change V A to sustain marriage & not have trouble after a love realisation. Trust & admitting to eo & themsleves what they want & feel is last step.

Is it insulting for Virat's character? I cant say if this was the writers' intent, but for me, Virat has never felt 'good enough' for Amruta - and this goes back right from the initial days, way before the divorce mu and the mela one. So is it insulting? idk. [This turns out not related, but I'll keep it: Yeah, he is supposed to have work ex, exp of being married... but even now, specifically about being married before, is there a scene, other than references to ex, that makes me think 'he was married before'? Nope.]

Is Ammu leading by example? I will say yes. But I cant say how much of it is deliberate from her side. Ammu is being Ammu... and from questions like 'Yes but wont you be doing the same thing for me?' it can be said she is showing him a new perspective... It is upto Virat if he wants to learn / change. It is pretty similar to the pygmalion thing I mentioned before. But here she is doing it by being herself, and in the pyg thing she is trying to mould Virat into her idea of a husband. And now that I think of it, leading by example sounds more possible.

He has changed - quite a bit. He is much more sober and humbled (in a good way) than he was in the initial days. It's going to be a long journey for him though.

But she can even be quite 'innocent' in doing so. She genuinely believes Virat will be doing the same thing as she is... but may learn / find out that is not the case... and thats the scary part with this. Fortunately until now, Virat shows up at the last moment... what happens when he doesn't? Either he is so pissed off about something / angry with her... and he is for once too late / doesn't show up at all... and she comes in and finds he has complaints and had deliberately been inactive - to teach her a lesson perhaps. That can be tough for her.

btw, Virat's behaviour ever since (I think) Nimmi-Rajeev abuse exposé has been pretty odd... and I think deliberately so. Lets wait and see why and where they are taking him. Amruta has been similarly odd either since he gave her the annulment papers the first time (subtle or more than subtle hints) or surely the second time.

PS. That's since mid August though! Pretty long time that they are kept this way.

Can i 1st say as a general statement to all 3 of your responses we hitting nerves & pressings all the RIGHT buttons. I think we discussing things writers have shoved to a corner to deal with it later. They are 1) Whats Amu response to this Babita virat unhealthy attachment. Which i will discuss below 2) Events of V P marriage which creators have not explained in detail

Ive thought about and agree to your points. Such as Amu is being respectful & understanding its virats mother. This is difficult for virat to accept his mom psycho ways.... (so on play the sad violin) However at same time this understanding for babita means continuous danger for herself & relationship.

Main point. Why are we hitting right nerves? You mentioned it subtly. I say writers pushed it in a corner as no one brought it up till @sam mentioned on X. Nimmi asked Amu what she wants & understand its not fair on Amu but dont leave virat. This is a lid writers have kept closed till now. Dildar, virat, Anjali, deepika, Jahan & nimmi till now said nothing on babita. Its clear writers from this evidence shoved it in corner.

Nimmi asking Amu questions today is very interesting because she wasn't there for bhavani/ Amu argument & doesn't know how they handled ransom negotiations. Why is nimmi bringing it up? 1) She cant be without Amu- never mind virat needing Amu 2) nimmi fears how virat will take it & wants to protect him. 3) Nimmi is starting to understand based on seeing Babita support for Ex & Rajiv-Babita wont change. Virat & Amu need to speak about babita situation. Have some sort of understanding post exposure & how they plan to take relationships forward if not END IT.

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

About the PS first: The frustrating part for me is Ammu doesn't consider Babs in connection with Virat. If she stays in the relationship, what's her plan with Babs? She is trying to ignore her for now, but how long? Is she actually hopeful that she will change? Or does she plan to move away from them and live with Virat some place else? idk how many women in real life will go ahead with a relationship even if they love their Virat and their Babs were even 10% of who she is. Can she talk to Virat about her concerns?

I can get it if she considers there is nothing much she can do - after all she is his mom. Apart from moving out with him, what can be a viable solution? Can get it if she respects that Babs is his mother and will be rude to have something done about her ... but the two cant go together (Cant have the cake and eat it too). Writers making her ignore the Babs question is frustrating. That Virat and Dildaar dont have much to talk to their mom / wife about it is pathetic. In this sense Ammu still stays the 'unwanted' or 'avoidable' outsider.

[Or is she hoping - like in many old movies (and perhaps seen in real life too) that when she gets pregnant, Babs will change? Learning daughter / dil is pregnant does some times, though not always solve the anger that the parents have regarding her marriage. ]

[Need to think more about the points you raised about VA relationship in the post.]

I also think she is trying to lead by example to be compatible. It may not be Amu is moulding Virat to her idea of perfect husband. Maybe writers have thought about this moulding & are executing in a bad way thinking Amu is moulding herself for what reason? ... why is Amu doing all this moulding incl herself? Perhaps its not only Amu doing moulding but virat is offering her some false hope making it difficult to walk away. As you say virat shows up in last minute act to offer her a relationship without certainty... like virat lost puppy act after pooja right before exposure. after the Police station argument split of V A

@Adiandsid you were angry... I mean you had strong reaction to episode Amu said you would look for me all over Mumbai in stair case. I accidently watched episode when family watching it on TV. I AGREE THAT STAIR CASE CONVERSATION WAS COMPLETE RUBBISH!

In same stair case conversation. Theres also something Amu said that relates to Amu response on Babita as discussed in my last post. Virat said Bhavani was right. Amu said it dont mean Bhavani can say anything she wants. THIS TRIGGERS VERY STRONG RESPONSE FOR ME! Virat & dildar already saying nothing to babita rubbish... Amu saying nothing... virat & Amu not speaking about the Babita evil rubbish... so where is Amu character going with her dialogue... TELL ME WHERE! The writing has reached a very bad point. We couldnt rely on Virat dialogue. Now Amu dialogue also not making sense.

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

Is it insulting for Virat's character? I cant say if this was the writers' intent, but for me, Virat has never felt 'good enough' for Amruta - and this goes back right from the initial days, way before the divorce mu and the mela one. So is it insulting? idk. [This turns out not related, but I'll keep it: Yeah, he is supposed to have work ex, exp of being married... but even now, specifically about being married before, is there a scene, other than references to ex, that makes me think 'he was married before'? Nope.]

Is Ammu leading by example? I will say yes. But I cant say how much of it is deliberate from her side. Ammu is being Ammu... and from questions like 'Yes but wont you be doing the same thing for me?' it can be said she is showing him a new perspective... It is upto Virat if he wants to learn / change. It is pretty similar to the pygmalion thing I mentioned before. But here she is doing it by being herself, and in the pyg thing she is trying to mould Virat into her idea of a husband. And now that I think of it, leading by example sounds more possible.

He has changed - quite a bit. He is much more sober and humbled (in a good way) than he was in the initial days. It's going to be a long journey for him though.

But she can even be quite 'innocent' in doing so. She genuinely believes Virat will be doing the same thing as she is... but may learn / find out that is not the case... and thats the scary part with this. Fortunately until now, Virat shows up at the last moment... what happens when he doesn't? Either he is so pissed off about something / angry with her... and he is for once too late / doesn't show up at all... and she comes in and finds he has complaints and had deliberately been inactive - to teach her a lesson perhaps. That can be tough for her.

@Pyaarasam - Pls see quoted post last paragraph as it relates to your points posted on Twitter about nimmi

@Adiandsid - Its difficult to address your points now if we agree writers have not considered Amu response on babita evil. Reason to wait for your points is we unsure at this moment any of writers postion on Amu response to Babita. Pls tell me if you want me to respond directly to your points on Amu Behaviors if below quoted post doesn't answer any of your points on topic

Originally posted by: sugz

Can i 1st say as a general statement to all 3 of your responses we hitting nerves & pressings all the RIGHT buttons. I think we discussing things writers have shoved to a corner to deal with it later. They are 1) Whats Amu response to this Babita virat unhealthy attachment. Which i will discuss below 2) Events of V P marriage which creators have not explained in detail

Ive thought about and agree to your points. Such as Amu is being respectful & understanding its virats mother. This is difficult for virat to accept his mom psycho ways.... (so on play the sad violin) However at same time this understanding for babita means continuous danger for herself & relationship.

Main point. Why are we hitting right nerves? You mentioned it subtly. I say writers pushed it in a corner as no one brought it up till @sam mentioned on X. Nimmi asked Amu what she wants & understand its not fair on Amu but dont leave virat. This is a lid writers have kept closed till now. Dildar, virat, Anjali, deepika, Jahan & nimmi till now said nothing on babita. Its clear writers from this evidence shoved it in corner.

Nimmi asking Amu questions today is very interesting because she wasn't there for bhavani/ Amu argument & doesn't know how they handled ransom negotiations. Why is nimmi bringing it up? 1) She cant be without Amu- never mind virat needing Amu 2) nimmi fears how virat will take it & wants to protect him. 3) Nimmi is starting to understand based on seeing Babita support for Ex & Rajiv-Babita wont change. Virat & Amu need to speak about babita situation. Have some sort of understanding post exposure & how they plan to take relationships forward if not END IT.

But in starting, they said Rajeev is their only kid.And also the new guy can be qwween's bf tooKuch bhi chances hai and also Vandana too can be involved in bringing the guy.Possibility kuch bhi ho sakta hai.

But main problem is he will be negative lead and his character will be for long time I guess.And if he will be negative lead then qwween kya hai?

And my complain is why they didn't use Angad as negative leadHe is perfect, look young too and his acting is so good then whyAnd I obviously watched Kapil's acting and he was good but please Angad is way more perfect than him.Kash they would use Abhiraj character properly without the blunders they did with his character

Originally posted by: sugz

Can i 1st say as a general statement to all 3 of your responses we hitting nerves & pressings all the RIGHT buttons. I think we discussing things writers have shoved to a corner to deal with it later. They are 1) Whats Amu response to this Babita virat unhealthy attachment. Which i will discuss below 2) Events of V P marriage which creators have not explained in detail

Ive thought about and agree to your points. Such as Amu is being respectful & understanding its virats mother. This is difficult for virat to accept his mom psycho ways.... (so on play the sad violin) However at same time this understanding for babita means continuous danger for herself & relationship.

Main point. Why are we hitting right nerves? You mentioned it subtly. I say writers pushed it in a corner as no one brought it up till @sam mentioned on X. Nimmi asked Amu what she wants & understand its not fair on Amu but dont leave virat. This is a lid writers have kept closed till now. Dildar, virat, Anjali, deepika, Jahan & nimmi till now said nothing on babita. Its clear writers from this evidence shoved it in corner.

Nimmi asking Amu questions today is very interesting because she wasn't there for bhavani/ Amu argument & doesn't know how they handled ransom negotiations. Why is nimmi bringing it up? 1) She cant be without Amu- never mind virat needing Amu 2) nimmi fears how virat will take it & wants to protect him. 3) Nimmi is starting to understand based on seeing Babita support for Ex & Rajiv-Babita wont change. Virat & Amu need to speak about babita situation. Have some sort of understanding post exposure & how they plan to take relationships forward if not END IT.

Para 1: I'd say the things the writers have shoved in a corner for now are

• What Virat and Ammu think about Babita and the complications she presents w.r.t. their relationship. [Even the teenage me when I had a crush on someone had considered the question 'Oh... but how is this going to go with my family?' and these two are around 30.]
• Ammu's trauma (in general) and specific to the mela incident - to what Virat did. I did in a previous post infer that she is perhaps dealing with it by trying to not let Virat go in that mode again. [Events like these aren't 'let bygones be bygones'... and if someone can do that, the person can leave Virat at the drop of a hat too and say 'let bygones be bygones', never to look back. It feels unnatural for Ammu to say it.]

[While events of VP marriage may throw some light, to me its not that important.]

Second para: yup. Both VA have to acknowledge that Babs is a continuous danger.

Bhavani is aware of the danger that Babs will bring in - the reason she now pushes the separation agenda. But problem is the 'solution' for her is split up... but she doesn't talk about the reason. Ask 'what about Babita?' fine if you want to be with eo... can you at least get properly married??.... etc.

But then Bhavani, Jahan etc had not considered Babita when they asked her "be honest Ammu, have you not felt that you should get a husband like Virat(with the drool)?"

Originally posted by: Pyaarasam

Rajeev ka koi sibling hai? It can be also a big bro

Til now no. But yes, new entry can be related to Ahujas also, like Abhiraj's brother or something like that. Or will new entry replace AH ?

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

btw, Virat's behaviour ever since (I think) Nimmi-Rajeev abuse exposé has been pretty odd... and I think deliberately so. Lets wait and see why and where they are taking him. Amruta has been similarly odd either since he gave her the annulment papers the first time (subtle or more than subtle hints) or surely the second time.

PS. That's since mid August though! Pretty long time that they are kept this way.

I seriously believe writers don't analyze and use logic so much. It's only viewers like you, Sugz. They have just made him clueless since that's the best they can show him wrt Babita. If he lashes out at her, and makes her regret everything, then no scope for more drama.

Like in case of Ishika. If they had to make her negative, why show her positive and losing her memory? Is this the character shade that Deeksha was talking about? When you already have ex, why have Ishika too? What's the point of Ishika and Jayesh now? They look redundant. Same with Rajiv.

Originally posted by: flutterby

I seriously believe writers don't analyze and use logic so much. It's only viewers like you, Sugz. They have just made him clueless since that's the best they can show him wrt Babita. If he lashes out at her, and makes her regret everything, then no scope for more drama.

Like in case of Ishika. If they had to make her negative, why show her positive and losing her memory? Is this the character shade that Deeksha was talking about? When you already have ex, why have Ishika too? What's the point of Ishika and Jayesh now? They look redundant. Same with Rajiv.

Yup. Not expecting the writers to analyze things so much. I'm engaging in it because I like to.

Blue: Nope. And this is perhaps the reason why the writers haven't gone there. I will argue that him lashing out at her and making her regret everything will make her change her plans. Stay underground - just like she did with the kidnapping thing.

But they also want to keep VA relationship hanging / unstable which wont happen if Babs is 'talked to'.