KMTMG Discussions Thread #8 - Page 123

Part 2 - Responding to Last 2 para in quoted post

We may be in contradiction me included. We know virat is immature but want dialogue to the Mela incident. I'm unsure if writer did this on purpose. Is there any point in discussing redemption & mistake admission with someone immature?

2nd thought from comment Amu should break relationship & return when hes mature. In the real world maybe so. How can they do it in this show? Creators wasted time with friends part of show so viewers will be frustrated if they go back which is tough after they both seem to agree to marriage now. If they take break but remain married viewers may also be lost. I could be wrong but unlikely as the writers will mess the break up with their unstructured approach.

My point. Are creators laying foundation in forcing Virat to grow up in a good way? Babita was exposed now she has also involved in Ahujas losing everything. This experience that virat will lose everything in Ahuja company with his mom involved may force his maturity. I'm wishing creators do better in shares track where the objective is developing virat maturity... our experience with these writers brings me to reality its false hope.

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

Cant say moral corruption or not - that's a bit too heavy judgement / accusation to make, which I am not willing to. Incompetence - I don't mind making that judgement. Arrogance - that they cant accept their mistake ... yup.

Recently, I dont know what their point is in showing Virat being willingly at home. What are they doing? Is there a story reason behind it? If Ammu is to learn about this and react, which is the reason it was done so, it looks fine... else... what ** are they doing?

In an earlier interaction with @Annu today we talked about her FD, Bhavani divorce, (also her job)... all of which were important to be addressed, but they ignored it.

It doesn't take much to let VA have a talk about the mela incident... face to face ... rather than avoiding it or considering it a non-issue. Why not do it? Is there something that is to happen that will make Ammu blast him??? If yes... please bring it!!!! by not doing it they are killing the character... else... I'd much rather have Ammu eternally kidnapped... she looked much more acceptable and better a character in those scenes than she has ever been in this show so far [ except probably the initial eps].

Chem students see 'love' b/w them... I see (in addition to brain-freeze) that she is getting drained in this relationship. The (poor) girl/woman has to realise that her 'dream' of a marriage / husband isn't what is reality... and she better give up. If it has to happen, he will come back to you... (since of course he is the 'destined' one)... better back off at least for the time being... until... he has grown up enough that he can be honest with you.

No one has accused me of the following. I want to explain myself again. I'm not a miserable online bully... complaining about everything getting joy causing writers to lose their jobs. It cant be explained how much I wish for success of the show crew & ALL... ALL of the actors. It surprises me the affection from me for Actors on KMTMG. Seen bits of other ITV serials & KMTMG actors differently talented beyond measure.

Posters on here informed me actors are on show of their choice without force. When we dig deeper into their choice we see all networks treat actors the same. We discussed their input on writing & discover how little their voice considered. Meaning I'm conflicted how to care for actors

Originally posted by: sugz

1st para- morally corrupt. I didnt make these statements lightly without thinking about it. You're right I cant prove writers are consciously morally corrupt but let me say... we can disagree and wont try change anyone mind but explain myself.

It is clear they are consciously arrogant & incompetent. Its ok when I started working I was the same. These writers do worse than incompetence & arrogance. They refuse to listen to us which show is made & admit/correct their mistakes. These 4 negative qualities in last 2 sentences is what lead me to make comment they are morally corrupt with intent to do so. If they consciously show these 4 all these negative qualities. My comment has some weight. Worse they hide behind supporters of Sriti & Arjit in their negative actions

I tried to draw at strings hoping writing positive as they look to our reaction so we see magic most of us have good morals. I had to retract this statement with their clear errors. Reading your post 1 thought came in my mind. Theres many females in the show & why doesn't Virat leave the house. There is some positive message for women that must be showed more instead of villians.

Ishika took bhavani husband - bad for women to do... we got Bhavani who seek support in the wonderful Jahan. Look at what women do for each other? Ahujas- we had babita & kavita at each others throats with bebe not helping & they make fun not empower kavita. With Amu & Virat in the house- brings emotions out in me between Nimmi Anjali & Amu that new generation of women can be different to empower each other

Post getting long - see part 2

Originally posted by: sugz

We getting all hyped for nothing... Rajiv or Sheky or the police will call. Maybe goons have something to say. Amu won't answer question & leave with Virat. Same happened after the swing caught fire... Amu left Babita & Bhavani arguing & went to Nimmi. Dont know what this drama is for... Amu virat wont stop looking together for Nimmi. Does Vandy & Bhavani want Amu to stop looking for Nimmi or staying at Ahujas maybe both? We should ask this 1st.

Quite likely that will be the case.

Yup... and if that's what is going to happen, what is this drama for?

I dont mind if Ammu goes some version of 'tedha hai per mera hai'... thats fine... but I want her to acknowledge 'tedha hai' and not be in any illusion that he isn't. [After all, as the old joke goes, which would probably be flagged sexist / rude now, has the part where man asks God, 'you made her beautiful but why did you make her stupid?' and the God replies 'so that she can love you'.] The way they are dealing with Ammu around this 'wedding / marriage' of hers, makes her look stupid.

Everybody here is speaking about how Virat needs to redeem himself and should let her go for her own sake. It's not like he did not make efforts to redeem himself.

During independence day, he himself gave Amruta the annulment papers to let her go and requested if she could stay till he figures out what is between I and U. She chose to stay by will.

Again during the date, he offered the annulment papers to her yet she refused to sign them. And even when Virat saw the annulment papers signed, he didn't question her. He decided to let her go, for her sake. Moreover after the whole drugged marriage incident, she forgave him for marrying her forcefully.

After Babita was exposed, Amruta was free to go. She decided to stay with Ahujas at her own will. And during the pandal when she realized her feelings, then ofc she didn't think about how he married her. She just wanted to be with him. The only think that was left for Virat to redeem himself in front of Bhavani and he was about to do that too till the whole chandelier thing happened.

I am not defending Virat's wrong doings or what he did at the mela. But at that time he didn't know that he is in love with her or he has any feelings. Ofc he would have trusted his mother over a friend. Initially he defended her but at the end of the day he'd trust his mom over her (given the situation that time). And given his impulsive nature as shown from beginning, he married her forcefully. (not defending that but ofc he would've trusted his mom over her at that time)

After the peanut allergy incident in office when dildar asked amruta to stay back at Bhavani's, she's seen explaining to her mother the same thing. That ofc she also would have trusted her mother over Virat at that time.

One thing that Virat needs to start doing is stand up for Amruta when Babita insults him. Now after he knows her reality he should speak up in front of his mother yet he does not do that. I don't know why.

Speaking about the current track.. it's getting too much dragged now. Firstly 20 episodes for the whole navratri thing and now again idk how long will they drag this kidnapping thing.

About the characters, yeah the makers have totally ruined them. Amruta who used to be forefront and didn't shy away from anything looks like a weakling now. And Virat's passion has disappeared. When Amruta was kidnapped he seemed so calm, yet the earlier VSA would have gone mad out of rage and concern.

Makers also need to reduce the number of villains. Initially it was fine when in the beginning the villain was rajiv, then ishita, then abhiraj and then babita. But after that when priyanka came back, they didn't remove any villain. All 4 of them were in action together. And now clubbing them all together as a team. Lame move.

I hope after the current kidnapping track, they remove priyanka or rajiv, atleast one of them. Babita ofc cannot be removed being his mother so either she goes to another level to redeem herself (although her character is not redeemable) or the makers kill off the character but that would ruin the storyline. Ishita I feel could be redeemed, she was going on the right track till she lost her memory, but I feel they'll turn her into a positive character.

One more thing, as everybody here is questioning the plot, including me. There are a lot of mistakes done by the writers and they seriously need to rectify them. But some plot holes would always be there as it is a daily soap at the end of the day so it's fine ig.

Originally posted by: amvira_srijit

Everybody here is speaking about how Virat needs to redeem himself and should let her go for her own sake. It's not like he did not make efforts to redeem himself.

During independence day, he himself gave Amruta the annulment papers to let her go and requested if she could stay till he figures out what is between I and U. She chose to stay by will.

Again during the date, he offered the annulment papers to her yet she refused to sign them. And even when Virat saw the annulment papers signed, he didn't question her. He decided to let her go, for her sake. Moreover after the whole drugged marriage incident, she forgave him for marrying her forcefully.

After Babita was exposed, Amruta was free to go. She decided to stay with Ahujas at her own will. And during the pandal when she realized her feelings, then ofc she didn't think about how he married her. She just wanted to be with him. The only think that was left for Virat to redeem himself in front of Bhavani and he was about to do that too till the whole chandelier thing happened.

I am not defending Virat's wrong doings or what he did at the mela. But at that time he didn't know that he is in love with her or he has any feelings. Ofc he would have trusted his mother over a friend. Initially he defended her but at the end of the day he'd trust his mom over her (given the situation that time). And given his impulsive nature as shown from beginning, he married her forcefully. (not defending that but ofc he would've trusted his mom over her at that time)

After the peanut allergy incident in office when dildar asked amruta to stay back at Bhavani's, she's seen explaining to her mother the same thing. That ofc she also would have trusted her mother over Virat at that time.

One thing that Virat needs to start doing is stand up for Amruta when Babita insults him. Now after he knows her reality he should speak up in front of his mother yet he does not do that. I don't know why.

Speaking about the current track.. it's getting too much dragged now. Firstly 20 episodes for the whole navratri thing and now again idk how long will they drag this kidnapping thing.

About the characters, yeah the makers have totally ruined them. Amruta who used to be forefront and didn't shy away from anything looks like a weakling now. And Virat's passion has disappeared. When Amruta was kidnapped he seemed so calm, yet the earlier VSA would have gone mad out of rage and concern.

Welcome. Good to see new people joining in.

[not intending to be rude to you in the points below, even if it may sound like. The complaints are about how they write these scenes.]

Bold: Its more nuanced that that. Some here may want him to redeem himself, personally I think he has gone beyond the line where he can. Its just that he is the 'destined' one... so I just accept it. Else... I want Ammu to be miles away from him never to meet again.

The annulment papers on i-day: yes... but why that step there? And what if he finds out there is nothing b/w i and u? will he say 'you can sign and leave'? what about what she wants? Is it only his pov that matters? Did he bother to ask? [It felt like he is freeing a slave - though that is an exaggeration.]

Its fine she chose to stay by her own will... but would be good if they show how she looks at the mela incident. Yeah... she has said somethings in the convo with Harsh... but would be better if they had shown her asking herself the question and coming to a conclusion. There were many places where I would want to know what exactly is she thinking... but it was never shown. She's always shown never to think about the mela incident.

Originally posted by: amvira_srijit

Makers also need to reduce the number of villains. Initially it was fine when in the beginning the villain was rajiv, then ishita, then abhiraj and then babita. But after that when priyanka came back, they didn't remove any villain. All 4 of them were in action together. And now clubbing them all together as a team. Lame move.

I hope after the current kidnapping track, they remove priyanka or rajiv, atleast one of them. Babita ofc cannot be removed being his mother so either she goes to another level to redeem herself (although her character is not redeemable) or the makers kill off the character but that would ruin the storyline. Ishita I feel could be redeemed, she was going on the right track till she lost her memory, but I feel they'll turn her into a positive character.

One more thing, as everybody here is questioning the plot, including me. There are a lot of mistakes done by the writers and they seriously need to rectify them. But some plot holes would always be there as it is a daily soap at the end of the day so it's fine ig.

Bold: Yup. Fine to have some plot holes. But there were two of them that they made in the first 200 eps that shouldn't have been - I call them black holes... cause to me at least they sucked out anything that is good out of the show. First was not getting Rajeev arrested (even if it be a trip to the police station and back) after the bank fraud exposé - that set a really bad precedent for the future, and the second is the mela incident and the fact that they showed Ammu continuing to stay there after it. I'd say both of them are not just mistakes, they are blunders.

Originally posted by: Adiandsid

Bold: Yup. Fine to have some plot holes. But there were two of them that they made in the first 200 eps that shouldn't have been - I call them black holes... cause to me at least they sucked out anything that is good out of the show. First was not getting Rajeev arrested (even if it be a trip to the police station and back) after the bank fraud exposé - that set a really bad precedent for the future, and the second is the mela incident and the fact that they showed Ammu continuing to stay there after it. I'd say both of them are not just mistakes, they are blunders.

About the rajiv thing. I completely agree with you. He should have been removed after the teej incident. That's what I'm saying, the makers are dragging somethings unnecessarily.

Originally posted by: sugz

1st para- morally corrupt. I didnt make these statements lightly without thinking about it. You're right I cant prove writers are consciously morally corrupt but let me say... we can disagree and wont try change anyone mind but explain myself.

It is clear they are consciously arrogant & incompetent. Its ok when I started working I was the same. These writers do worse than incompetence & arrogance. They refuse to listen to us which show is made & admit/correct their mistakes. These 4 negative qualities in last 2 sentences is what lead me to make comment they are morally corrupt with intent to do so. If they consciously show these all 4 these negative qualities. My comment has some weight. Worse they hide behind supporters of Sriti & Arjit in their negative actions

I tried to draw at strings hoping writing positive as they look to our reaction so we see magic most of us have good morals. I had to retract this statement after their clear errors. Reading your post 1 thought came in my mind. Theres many females in the show & why doesn't Virat leave the house. There is some positive message for women that must be showed more instead of villians.

Ishika took bhavani husband - bad for women to do... we got Bhavani who seek support in the wonderful Jahan. Look at what women do for each other? Ahujas- we had babita & kavita at each others throats with bebe not helping & they make fun not empower kavita. With Amu & Virat in the house- brings emotions out in me between Nimmi Anjali & Amu that new generation of women can be different to empower each other

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In a way, connecting to something we discussed a couple of days back, I will say Mukta 'used' Sriti for the show and is riding on that surfboard and may continue to do so for some time. I'd be inclined to agree that's moral corruption. [btw... been following Sriti since around the time I joined IF. Not a good sign that she isn't sharing stories on IG when she is working.]

[May delete this later since it has some personal stuff. I've been involved in a related field for some time in the past and sometimes, the perspective of Indian directors / producers have baffled me. Say, if perfection is 100% and we as a team can deliever 90%+, in walks a director and says 'quality kam kar do... itna nahi chahiye, 70% kar do'. and in our minds we go 'God... people (even our competitors) are going to see this work and we want them to feel good about what we have done.. not cringe about how art in India sucks / is mediocre'. But... he is the client / the one who has to make the choice... spend less and get a lower quality and he is happy... and I may look at the final product with crossed fingers and hope it doesn't look that bad. And what about our growth when we are delivering what we know is substandard product / when we are not working at our average, let alone max, potential? (Parallels with cast members can be drawn... and its not a good feeling. But there is no choice - the reason I could, in the past posts, say beyond a certain point the actors cant do much.)]

Can call that general moral corruption or even lack of not identifying the correct values. Jugaad / 'itna kaafi hai' reigns most of the time - and very often kills quality and growth.

Look though I'm a girl but I always support ml more than fl as I know in itv they most of the time portray ml as weak, spinless, brainless,psycho, villain in his own love story and fl as abla nari,victim,great, never did any wrong, tolerate every bs etc. So I most of the time in ml side for repeating same pattern stories in itv.

But in this serial only if the so called hard working writers would have been attentive and careful in leads characters then we would have not this much complain. They are solely responsible for the complain we are giving and they are getting. The way they always try to whitewash Virat's character without any guilt and redeem, for this he's looking more bad.

They always ruin leads characters for protecting villains and this is the only reason the serial is totally spoil. So much villains and that too their cheap plan only against Amruta and in all crimes Babita,the main character always involve but free pass as she's main character and ml's dear mom, this all are sh*t to bear. And now she's acting as if she's so much worried about her daughter. When both were kidnapped she questioned Priyanka why she kidnapped Nimrit too but now why she is continuously blaming Amruta and still no question to Priyanka why she still doesn't free Nimrit?

Writers are on high. They have so much ego. Always ignore their mistake and become happy whenever anyone praise them but don't care about genuine opinion about their mistake as for them they are haters.

From episode 1, this serial has mistake and it still continue. I start watching for SriJit and still tolerating it only for them. But the way they portray Virat's character,I have no sympathy for him till now but I have huge sympathy for Amruta. It's so difficult for a fan to feel no sympathy for a character who's playing by her favourite actor. This is what they have done with Virat's character that I sometimes feel this character is worst character Arjit have ever played. I have now no hope for his character as I know makers are expert in ruining his character. And if you ask me, it's too late? Then I will say, yeah it's too late but still will try to give them 0.5% chance to correct Virat's character. If what I want and expect from Virat's character will happen in future,then I will surely and happily will be in his side but for that they will have to do the things which I expect from Virat.

Even though leads are always stay with each other but even after crossing 300+ episodes they are still unknown about the fact what they feel for each other,so it's useless to keep them together always. They always discuss about family issues, family's problems but why not about them?

So much errors are in the serial but egoistic writers, makers have no care about these. They are on their own la la land. If makers can't change their mindset then I don't know what will be the future of this serial but will definitely feel so sad for SriJit that they are playing characters which will be their worst characters they have ever played in their careers💔💔💔