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Posted: 1 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: Terenaina

KANK was a special memory movie for me because I remember my cousins, family and childhood friends staying up to watch the movie together. Everyone has moved on with their life and in a different phase of life now. But yes Kajol made special appearance in the movie, she could've said no since she strongly disagree with the message of the movie, she turned down the movie. But the story of the movie happens in real life all the time, we have to show reality sometimes, not just fantasy.

why kajol always putting down rani? on kwk episode when rani won the rapid fire, kajol said "the audience who made the decision is working for yrf, it's yrf studio and the show is rigid" something similar she said don't remember exact words. I mean it was funny lol but still that is her cousin

because she still can’t digest that her poor cousin (Rani’s family was poor and that’s why she joined films ) , beat her in career and life . She still fumes about it .
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Posted: 1 years ago
#32

being a good person dosent mean u can’t be in a shit relationship….


Kank was unnecessarily bloated but it did not justify extra marital affairs

It tried to delve into what might make people want to even do such a thing …

rani married abhishek thinking she will “grow to love him” despite not loving him to begin with …her feelings for him were purely Platonic and he was frustrated she wasn’t attracted to him….here is the thing, u can’t force that….u can be the best person and someone might view u as a friend and nothing more….as much as ppl like to lecture marriage is not abt sex (it’s not) , it is a relationship that needs romance …that’s the whole reason why it’s called marriage and not friendship …romance is an expression of love and it won’t just happen if u try…u have to feel it to express it …maya just didn’t have feelings for rishi….this whole she should have tried theory makes no sense ..:.u can’t try to have feelings …it either there or it’s not

maya was also insecure coz she thought she couldn’t have a child and is letting the relationship down ….

Srk and priety on the other hand had a love marriage , but he was always insecure (when he shows off his million dollar contract to her when she made it clear she was happy for him)….srk also didn’t truly love her coz he was unsure on the bench prior to his injury when rani asked him abt his wife ….his insecurity grew ten fold with his injury and lack of career, and twenty fold with his wife’s success …

.ideally they should have called it quits prior to cheating …even better they shouldn’t have married each other at all if they were unsure

The end clearly says …the only reason to marry should be that u love your partner ….if you are unsure at the time of marriage, don’t do it coz u will end up in some mess or the other which will hurt others too …

Don’t marry as favour or obligation or out of fomo…

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Posted: 1 years ago
#33

People shaming Maya for not loving Rishi back when he's the "perfect husband" must be the same ones who believe KJo was correct for killing off Anushka's Alizeh in Ae Dil Hai Mushkil for not loving Ayan.


Take away the marital status and it's basically the same thing. In both cases, you're shaming the woman for not loving a man back. In Maya's case, her only mistake was going ahead with the marriage despite her reservations and doubts (and ironically enough, had she not met Dev on the bench, there's a good chance she may not have gone through with the marriage. He talked her into marrying Rishi.). Her guilt over the fact that she was an orphan who had been taken in by this family and given everything is why she said yes, because she felt she owed this family.

And remember that in Dil Chahta Hai, this is the exact same plotline with Preity Zinta's character. She loves Aamir Khan but because she was an orphan raised by family friends, she feels obligated to marry the son of the people who raised her. Nobody treats her like a villain for feeling this way. Her character was just lucky that she met and fell in love with Aamir before she got married. Rani's Maya was not so lucky and that is where the whole premise of KANK lies, what happens if you find love but only after marriage and it's with someone else. It's not ideal but it does happen and acting like this is some taboo subject that should never be touched upon is rather ridiculous and borders on censorship.

Once more, I find it bizarre that so many people find the premise of this film so disturbing and "problematic" (the favorite buzzword these days) but have no qualms about actual problematic and toxic behavior done in real life. Affairs in a movie are going too far but affairs in real life no one bats an eyelash at. Half your favorite stars and celebs have had affairs so if you're preaching about what an immoral movie KANK is but still loving and supporting those celebs, check your own hypocrisy.

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Posted: 1 years ago
#34

Please bring your sage advice into this thread. You're one of the few KANK fans on here besides me.

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Posted: 1 years ago
#35

Maya didn't have to stay with rishi, if she was so unhappy she could have told him and got a divorce, but why cheat on him? Did he deserve to be cheated on? And she cheated on him with someone who was already married and has a child, which makes the whole situation even worse.


And she left rishi for a guy like dev? A man who does not treat his wife and child right, a guy who is so hot tempered and insecure, what guarantee is there that she would be happy with dev? I mean dev's own mother chose to stay with preity instead of him, that says enough

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Posted: 1 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: piya2025

IMO, it wasn't just that they were selfish or that communication was a problem. Did they want to communicate at all in the first place? The most problematic thing about both Maya & Dev was that both were busy self-victimizing themselves. They didn't think twice before sleeping with eachother. Heck! Dev even had a kid. People who tends to avoid such conversation do so because they know they can't justify their act nomatter what. At the same time, they don't want to look bad in the eyes of others. These kind of people are absolutely miserable, toxic. Worse than even those who are loose character by default.

Baat karne se problem solve na ho but often times it gives a person clarity about where they stand in the other person's life.

Yeah well, problem with cheaters is that they don’t tend to think how their actions will end up hurting their spouses, they may think that by not communicating with them about their true feelings or keeping them in dark, they are saving their partners from hurt and grief, not realising that their despicable actions if found out would be even more heartbreaking! I guess a lot of people who stay in loveless and problematic marriages or relationships find it hard to break it off by communicating, so they either end up cheating, or suffering in silence but not saying anything at all, since divorces are also mentally and emotionally tiring. Of course the former deed only speaks about someone’s character, since cheating involves dishonesty and being disrespectful to your partner, it’s selfish to the core, but I guess a lot of human beings are morally ambiguous, after all I feel loyalty is a precious rarity these days, not everyone has the capability and integrity to stay loyal to their partners for a life time, aaj kal toh open marriages/relationships ka bhi norm hai, since I am very old school I don’t understand all this. On the other hand, I truly wish people don’t stay in unhappy marriages or relationships, for the sake of any obligation, society, families and kids involved etc. It’s so mentally draining and sounds extremely depressing, I don’t wish to live a life like that ever, I would rather stay alone. Having said all that, nothing justifies Dev and Maya’s infidelity.
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Posted: 1 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: zara321

Maya didn't have to stay with rishi, if she was so unhappy she could have told him and got a divorce, but why cheat on him? Did he deserve to be cheated on? And she cheated on him with someone who was already married and has a child, which makes the whole situation even worse.


And she left rishi for a guy like dev? A man who does not treat his wife and child right, a guy who is so hot tempered and insecure, what guarantee is there that she would be happy with dev? I mean dev's own mother chose to stay with preity instead of him, that says enough

She stayed with him for the same reason she married him, because she felt obligated to do so. She never was going to leave him but notice that even Rishi notices that in fights and arguments, she always brings up him leaving her. How she's a terrible wife, can't be a mother, and can't make him happy so he should leave her. Even he recognized that subconsciously, she's always trying to find a way to break their relationship. She felt she did not have the right to do so, which is why she would give him the chance to do what she can't do. If he broke off the relationship, they'd both be free and she would feel no guilt anymore. She felt she lacked the agency to do what she always knew she must do. Sam loves Maya like his own daughter which is why he's always encouraging her and Rishi to patch things up but when he finally realizes the truth, that she's never loved Rishi and never will, he gives her his blessing to end the relationship. Because he knows both Maya and Rishi will never be happy this way and the best chance for both of them is only from breaking the relationship. I imagine in a movie where Sam did not die, he would have supported her in leaving Rishi because I don't think she would ever have done it otherwise. Certainly in the version we got where Sam does die, she could never leave him because now she had the guilt of Sam's death and knowing that she was Rishi's only family.

When Dev comes into the picture, there is no intention of starting an affair. Both are lonely and misunderstood and see themselves in the other. Both realize they might be able to help the other fix their crumbling marriages. What neither expects is to fall in love with the other. That's another thing people don't seem to factor in is that these two didn't set off to have an affair and fall in love. They fell in love accidentally, all the while fighting their better natures to reject these feelings and keep them hidden away. It's only when their marriages utterly implode on their anniversaries that they're able to find the courage to admit these feelings out loud. Only because all the bitterness and resentments that have been building up with their spouses for years finally boiled over.


And I also find it odd that so many people on here are so fixated on the physical infidelity aspect because it can be argued that the emotional infidelity is just as damaging. I would consider an emotional affair just as unforgiveable as a physical affair. According to just about everyone on here though, the worst sin they committed was having a physical affair once, nevermind that they clearly didn't love their partners and that should be regarded as just as culpable a betrayal. From some posts I've read, it sounds like this relationship was only problematic for having been consummated once. Notice that only Rishi cares about whether Maya slept with Dev or not. That's the first thing he asks her when he finds out. Rhea never even asks because the only thing that concerns her is if Dev loves Maya or not.


So to answer your question about why she left Rishi for Dev, besides the fact that this isn't really accurate (she never leaves her husband for Dev. She tries to make it work with Rishi once she and Dev agree to stop meeting and return to their spouses for the sake of their families. Even after both Dev and Maya are dumped, both pretend that isn't the case in order to not break the other's family up), it comes down to the fact that she loves one and not the other. Love is blind. We don't choose who we fall in love with. Maya loved Dev and we can't fault her for that. We can't fault her for not loving Rishi in a romantic way. Can we fault her for having an affair (emotional and physical), yes, but I think it's not as cut and dry as claiming she is an adulteress and should be burnt for her sins and doesn't ever deserve a happy ending.

If Dev has all these faults, some might not find him lovable, but Maya did and that's the only important thing. And I have to say that I don't blame her because Dev is one of my fav SRK characters. I think you have to feel as much unhappiness and bitterness as Dev and Maya did to really understand them so in that sense, I'm happy most people on this thread don't seem to understand them because it means you've all probably led very happy lives. But I can definitely sympathize with both of them, and if I saw myself as Maya, I could see myself loving Dev too. What others see as flaws are precisely what makes Maya fall in love with him. Ask yourself about your loved ones' flaws and often you'll realize that if they didn't have them, they wouldn't be the person they were and that's partly why you love them.

As for what guarantee that Maya would be happy with Dev or not, that's true for almost all Bollywood or Hollywood movies that end with the couple together at the end. Rarely do movies go into what happens next and if those relationships would last or not (and Rani dived into this twice with Saathiya and Chalte Chalte). I think it's safe to say that she wouldn't be worse off than she was with Rishi or the 3 years (is it 3 or 5 years) after their marriages end when they're both utterly alone. And even Dev somewhat notes this in his proposal at the end at the train station that they're both agreeing to spend the rest of their broken lives together. Both are very damaged people but they know that.

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Posted: 1 years ago
#38

What an interesting read...reminds me of the discussions lead at the time of the release (and after that).

1) the happy ending: It indeed had been the crux of the movie which brought the most of rejection from a a big part of the audience. It was also this ending which ShahRukh didn't want as he (rightly) saw it as a kind of a positive outcome of a negative behaviour. He also didn't really like the overly-bitter/cynical traits of his character but Karan wanted the movie this way...and I guess I know why...


2) Kajol: Will Kajol ever tell the real reason why she didn't want to do the movie? The moralistic take is just a pretexte.

Remember the reputation, the acting couple SRK-Kajol and their chemistry also as real life friends had at the time...can you imagine the reaction on a Maya played by Kajol and the same movie???!!!

That Karan even had Kajol in mind when writing the script...


3) the realism: No doubt about that...it certainly was a shock for the Indian audience that Karan made a movie like that (after the 3 others)...and - like in the next (MNIK) - he indulged in his own imagination and missed certain points.

I think that also was a reason for the creative distance SRK put between himself and Karan.


4) the psychology in the movie: Honestly, after having read the comments, I mostly got the feeling that many did not connect with what was really going on in the protagonists, why their marriages failed, why their friendship changed into platonic love and then physical love and then the separation...

the praise for their partners and calling them losers show me that...

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Posted: 1 years ago
#39

I started to write my post long before your last one but then family happened and I could finish just now posting it before reading yours...

As for now, I've still other things to do but will enjoy reading your comment later smiley27

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Posted: 1 years ago
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Bingo, there have been numerous cases of celebrities cheating and no one bats an eye. You portray in a movie and everyone has a problem with it.

It is not the best made movie for sure but concept wise was actually realistic. People have affairs and cheat is this correct absolutely not, but it was not black and white the characters were very grey

Problem is you had Abhishek and Rani post the insane success of Bunty aur Babli and could not understand splitting the couple.

Similarly Priety and SRK who had Veer Zaara and KHNH .

Plus you have had the recent films of SRK as the romantic hero, all his lovers were engaged here married.

Also many parts of the movie was boring, could have been shorter and KJO was confused to make a movie with his usual style or make it more serious and could not find the balance

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