WDT#2 : Being trikaldarshi, why'd Shiva let Sati go to Daksh's yajna? - Page 2

Originally posted by: Quantum-Dot

@Bold : Exactly...as you said Mina, I too feel that the timelines don't match behind this storyline, they had showed the same in DKDM, but I didn't understand it, because this seems like using some time machine to go back to the future and do/modify incidents happening there, because Ramayan happened in a different yug and much much later after Sati's death.

DKDM and RK were more of fictional shows based on some real events and some folklore. Utkarsh Naithani was the writer of both these shows and in both these shows, he portrayed the Goddesses more human-like who have no idea of their own divinities and need their better halves to make them realize their divine powers and to get rid of their so called 'doshas' and the reason he gave was as these Goddesses had taken avatars as human beings, they have all the bad qualities that humans possess which Imo was the silliest reason.

Originally posted by: Life_Is_Dutiful

I feel these are all God's maaya. They know everything that will happen but still they don't stop the events from happening because that's vidhi ka vidhaan. Whatever they do is for the benefit of mankind so that humans can learn their lessons. For example, Sati teaches us a lesson that bhaavnao mein behke one should not take impulsive decisions. One should be practical before taking any decision. Sati too knew what's gonna happen in the yagya but she showed to mankind that a person always regrets after taking impulsive decisions.

In Satya yuga, power of Truth or Sato guna were at its peak. Her husbant should have been invited for the yagya. She witnessed

Daksh's arrogance, other Devas keeping quiet. So she decided to leave her body burnt on Her Yogagni.

Her birth was the result of Daksh's penance for Aadi Shakti to born as his daughter. She granted his wish on the condition of leaving him, if he insults Her Husband Lord Shiv.

She took this birth only to unite with Her Shiv. So everything was clear before Her birth only.

Originally posted by: Life_Is_Dutiful

DKDM and RK were more of fictional shows based on some real events and some folklore. Utkarsh Naithani was the writer of both these shows and in both these shows, he portrayed the Goddesses more human-like who have no idea of their own divinities and need their better halves to make them realize their divine powers and to get rid of their so called 'doshas' and the reason he gave was as these Goddesses had taken avatars as human beings, they have all the bad qualities that humans possess which Imo was the silliest reason.

In one of the earlier show on Maa Shakti, it was Parvati, who tested Ram in Treta yuga. Shiv punishing Her never happened. Which I find more relatable.

Beautiful Thoughts shared in this thread. I found each comment extremely interesting to read.

My 2 cents...... just sharing across the table for all of you to ponder.

Firstly, all Puranas including Shivpurana are dialects/stories to entice people while actual Rahasya ( the true meaning) is given separately for the erudite to know.

It's well accepted that Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are principles of birth, life and death! Owing to Anthropomorphism, they are given human forms. It's well stated at multiple places that 3 eyes of Shiva are 3 Vedas which existed then and were given to Shiva because complete knowledge of self comes only at death.

Thinking about Sati:- Because Daksha was becoming hugely arrogant of his powers and became extremely hateful of Shiva, So Vidhi's Vidhaan ( As mentioned in one earlier post), the universe balance put Sati as his daughter. Her life purpose was to show the right to Daksha Prajapati. Shiva tried stopping her but as mentioned earlier, Das Mahavidyas appeared and he was restrained. This is Vidhi's Vidhan! Unless Sati went to Yadnya, she wouldn't burn herself, Veera Bhadra wouldn't come and slay off Prajapati's head. Later with Goat's head, Prajapati was resurrected and he understood his mistake.

Shiva and Shakti are also Purush and Prakriti. Our religion is a completely scientific pursuit. They first appear as Ardhnareshwar because originally reproduction was asexual and hermaphrodites predominated. Sexual discrimination in the evolution cycle happened much later.... which is built as a story that Brahma asks Ardhnaareshwar to guide him for further creation and the two separate..... That's male and female gamete coming in separate individuals in living systems.

Now sexual reproduction happens in many different forms/ methods...... to designate that, Shiva and Shakti married 108 times.

That's why Shiva later married same Sati reincarnated as Parvati.

Feel free to share all your comments though I am not able to tag all of you.

Mythology isn't a historical timeline. It's storytelling. Storytellers reach for familiar stories, embellish them with allusions, and arrange cameo roles, flashbacks, and crossovers however they want to entertain the audience. There is a mutual understanding that mythical events are eternal: they happen every time they are narrated, depicted, performed, or meditated upon.

Inspired by this understanding, poets sometimes compose prayers in the present tense, as if divinities are falling in love, getting married, and nurturing babies right now.

When Janaka in Vālmīki's Rāmāyaṇa is showing Śiva's bow to Viśvāmitra, naturally, he talks of it being used to destroy Dakṣa's yajña, because the audience has heard of this exploit. And when Viśvāmitra is telling Gaṅgā's story to Rāma and Lakṣmaṇa, the devout audience would want him to mention that Himavat and Menā had a younger daughter who married Śiva and is the mother of Skanda. On the other hand, when the Śivapurāṇa storyteller has to explain the separation of Śiva and Satī, the parallel separation of Rāma and Sītā becomes an inspiration to bring them into the story.

The concept of four yugas in Hindu mythology is used to warn kṣatriya governors that they are responsible for the condition of society: they can motivate it to be perfect (Kṛta-yuga), or flourish (Tretā-yuga), or resist (Dvāpara-yuga), or perish (Kali-yuga).

In contrast, the idea that four yugas follow each other in a fixed pattern is comforting for non-kṣatriyas: society's problems will get better, and legendary times when heroes and deities walked the earth will come again.

To convey the vastness of Time, storytellers will say that the universe exists for a thousand catur-yuga cycles ... each Manvantara lasts for 71 catur-yugas ... Rāvaṇa lived through 13 catur-yuga cycles ... Rāmāyaṇa occurred in the 24th Tretā-yuga of Vaivasvata Manvantara and Mahābhārata occurred in the 28th Dvāpara-yuga ...

However, when storytellers want the past to have definite points of reference, they refer to yugas as if they happened only once.

Ancient audiences noticed the same anachronisms that we do today. Storytellers brought those concerns right into the text to address them, for example, when Janamejaya asks (Harivaṃśa 2.50-52): how could Dakṣa be born from Brahman's thumb and also be born to the Pracetas-brothers from Soma's daughter, and how could Dakṣa become the father-in-law of his own maternal grandfather Soma?

Vaiśaṃpāyana replies (Harivaṃśa 2.53-55):

utpattiś ca nirodhaś ca nityau bhūteṣu Bhārata

ṛṣayo'tra na muhyanti vidyā-vantaś ca ye janāḥ

Emergence and suppression are perpetual for living beings, descendant of Bharata! Sages are not confused by it, nor those people who are educated.

yuge yuge bhavanty ete sarve Dakṣ'ādayo nṛpa

punaś c'aiva nirudhyante vidvāṃs tatra na muhyati

In age after age, all of these exist, Dakṣa and so on, leader of men! And again they are suppressed, really. A wise person isn't confused by it.

jyaiṣṭhyaṃ kāniṣṭhyam apy eṣāṃ pūrvaṃ n'āsīj jan'ādhipa

tapa eva garīyo'bhūt prabhāvaś c'aiva kāraṇam

Seniority and juniority too formerly didn't exist for them, overlord of people! Only spiritual energy had more weight as a creator and as a cause.

However, this philosophical answer doesn't appeal to everyone. Some of us want all of the details to fit together in a neat chronology, even when they come from different storytellers with situational motives. That's why the authors of Purāṇas claimed that each text narrates what happened in a different kalpa or cosmic cycle.

In one version of the Satī-and-Dakṣa's-yajña myth, Satī goes to the yajña, confronts Dakṣa, and gives up her life there. In the Kālikāpurāṇa version, however, Satī never leaves Kailāsa; she gives up her life as soon as it registers that Dakṣa has insulted Śiva.

And in the Tamil movie Tiruviḷaiyāṭal (1965), Satī returns from Dakṣa's yajña to Kailāsa and Śiva kills her!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeIdBo1RDV4

While we're used to thinking that Śiva himself ... or his deputy avatāra Vīrabhadra ... or Vīrabhadra and Kālī together ... destroyed Dakṣa's yajña as soon as he lost Satī, I have even read that there's a version in which Satī is reborn as Pārvatī, she wins and marries Śiva, and only then they notice that Dakṣa's thousand-year yajña is still going on! In that version, the story has a happy ending with the God and Goddess reunited to destroy the yajña.

Thanks for the tag

Shiva Sati story has always intrigued me

Will share my thoughts on it soon

That's the beauty of Indian lore, it goes on forever, literally.

And everyone had their own version of khichdi and/or mythology which doesn't always follow "logic" in the Western understanding, at least.

Because it was fated to happen and deities won't / can't intervene with fate

In my opinion, the essential elements in this divine act are three: knowledge of the future, divine intent, and focusing on the end result. Thus, all acts of God involve voluntaries or genuine choice to some extent. Now, to put it simply, all acts of God are acts of choice. It starts with the will and moves forward with judgment for the benefit of the Cosmos / Universe

Lord Shiva is aware of the outcome, yet he must accept the cause. When something has to be done deliberately, it has to be done voluntarily and consciously. That is the Divine Intention.

The reason for their impending separation was a request from Lord Vishnu and Creator Brahma to give them a war god as a son in order to destroy Tarakasur and bring peace back to the cosmos.

Separation is necessary now for their reunion, which is intended to gift a war God to the universe.

Knowing that another separation was in store for them, Shiv did all in his power to stop her from going to her parents' house.

Despite his disapproval, she went to Daksha Prapati's Yajna, faced the insult, and then immolated herself as a result of her refusal to listen to him! She did her part for the divine cause.

With his uncontrollable anger, Shiva shattered the yajna. He traveled to the Himalayas to perform penance because he could not bear the separation from his Shakti.

Every time, their separation occurred, it was to punish the demons and benefit the cosmos.

The universe is in jeopardy whenever they are apart, regardless of the reason. Upon their reunion, the universe is peaceful and steady.

This is the Tatva, the spiritual reason behind it, and the outcome of their split and reunion.

An intriguing detail throughout this entire happening is that, in order to achieve much-needed peace in the universe, even gods are supposed to practice Karma Yoga by carrying out their divine actions via Kriya Yoga.

This is the Tattva, or spirituality-based concept, that underlies both their separation and their oneness.

In every version that I have come across, the need for a son to slay Tāraka only arises after Satī is gone.

Do you have a source for your claim that Viṣṇu and Brahman requested Śiva and Satī to produce a War God?

Can you explain why any couple would split up to make a baby, instead of cooperating with each other?