Support for Israel- DT Note pg 25, 30 (SM updates added) - Page 35

Originally posted by: InsaneDivine

But is there any other proposed solution that is viable?

The river to the sea doesn’t seem to be coming true as Jews are refusing to die.

I understand the trust deficit and security concerns Israel would be having, but then again building settlements doesn’t automatically vanish the population. Palestinians would still be there. I don’t think Israel can absorb them and mess up with their demography, needless to mention their safety. Arab states refuse to take them. So a two-state solution is not wanted by them and an Akhand Israel may also not be in their favor either, because how do you sustain the population even if you conquer the land?

So under these completely twisted circumstances, where fortunately India is not a player in the dispute, at least taking a stand where the coexistence of both parties is encouraged seems like a fair thing to do, even if it is far-fetched & diplomatic. Their living near each other is unavoidable.

I think Israel wants a complete destruction of Hamas and a total dismantling of all their terror capabilities. Also wants to demilitarize Gaza and retain security control over it in a "post war" scenario.

US doesn't favor the security control part of Israel's goal and wants Gaza’s administration to include Palestinian-led governance and Gaza unified with the West Bank under the Palestinian Authority.

You can't meet both Israeli security demands and Palestinian requirements for sovereignty so the two-state solution has too many obstacles at this point.

I think everyone (every country) knows this, including of course India. But I suppose you still have to sound "reasonable" and cater to both sides.

That’s how you protest.

Not by rioting, vandalizing public property. Many of the 2020s and current protestors are violent thugs. Bunch of indoctrinated idiots.

https://x.com/rubinreport/status/1723741574146703722?s=46&t=Q96IWrDq2C9bhu2B8fjITg

I don’t think Palestine can govern Gaza when they are not connected by land. Look what happened to East Pakistan and West Pakistan. Now they are Bangladesh and Pakistan. It’s nearly impossible to govern a country not connected by land.

Best bet is Gaza go with Israel. Gazans are given 2 options- stay with Israel or go with Palestine. They go with Palestine, reimburse and help them re-settle.

Both Israel and Palestine should honor the border markings and exist peacefully. Wishful thinking.

Originally posted by: Petrichor80

BirdieNumNum: Whenever I criticize the Israeli government or Netanyahu you equate that to Israeli's or Jews. This is the second time you have done that. I understand now why when a supreme leader is questioned people start chanting anti-national. Congress was trash, but at least we could openly criticize them without being told we were anti-national.

Petrichor80: that's strange coming from you, given your 100% backing of people who have "from river to shining sea" on their tag line. Seems to be asking for the extinction of Israel, much like the hamas. They ARE talking about all Israelis there, not just Netanyahu.

At least I have shown some angst at the plight of the palestinians. But there's no expression of disgust at what the hamas are up to. How about asking them to unconditionally release the hostages? Netanyahu is a madman for wanting to wipe out the hamas, but the hamas and the palestinians who voted them in and are proud of what the hamas did are boy scouts?

all that aside, I do prefer strong leaders who dont go wobbly. Whether it's Xi or Putin or the tin-pot middle-east terrrorist supporting dictators and theocracies, it's a tough world and no place for timid characters. So if someone's positions dont align with my belief of what is in national interest, sure, I might consider them anti-national... like the maoists, naxals, looters.

The claim of equivalence ("Hamas has been killing people, Israel has been killing people, hence neither Hamas not Israel can stake out a moral high-ground against the other") does not bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification. Hamas has conducted many anti-Israel attacks in both Israel and the Palestinian territories including large-scale bombings against Israeli civilian targets, rocket attacks, road side bombings and suicide bombings. Israel is only going after Hamas and other militant groups who are hiding amongst civilians, some of who by the way actually support Hamas!

Simply put, civilian casualties are intentional / deliberate with Hamas attacks. With Israel attacks, they are an unfortunate collateral.

Also, back in 2009, Israel did declare an unilateral ceasefire but Palestinian militant groups flouted the ceasefire agreements time and again.

This time around, Israel is not stopping till Hamas is rooted out. Why should it, when past ceasefires held no meaning? This is not about answering to the outside world, this is about their existence.

Originally posted by: Petrichor80

@bold: I never once talked about the extinction of Israel nor Palestine. You seem to have 100% imagined that.

I keep criticizing the Israeli government and Netanyahu. I admire the Israeli's that are in Israel and speaking up to bring back hostages and stop the genocide. From the start I have supported the hostages and I am against the killing of innocent civilians. I have compassion for the hostages, and compassion for the innocent civilians getting killed due to Hamas and Netanyahu.

Your angst lasts for 10 seconds. You jump to defend Netanyahu and equate the man to innocent Israelis who have no say in the actions of that mad man.

It is a tough world, so you admire the likes of Xi, Putin and Netanyahu all of whom have the killing of innocent people in common and have no conscience. Do you admire Hitler too, because he was living in a tough world?

i think you are continuing to mischaracterize my position. Not nice. Again, I am just explaining why the Israelis might not want to give in to hamas blackmail. In similar vein, I dont think Vajpayee should have given in to the Pak terrorist demands.

And did I say I admire Xi or Putin? There is something called comprehension. There's a clear implication in my post that I consider Xi, Putin, hamas and hezbollah types and the Middle East mullah leaders as evil/ bad actors, and that we need strong leaders to counter them. I am not saying people need to be evil themselves.

as for hitler, it's actually quite rich though that some people keep bringing him up when in the first place they deny the holocaust.

Originally posted by: Palak2812

These people spoiling our names outside of India

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yeah too bad this guy is Indian, but it's good to see him get fired. His wife and all the other hamas sympathisers, anti-Israel anti-semite elements should also get fired. By the way, the last para sums up their hypocrisy and moral depravity really well:

"Since then, propagandists and Hamas sympathisers around the world have tried to downplay the attacks on October 7 that triggered the Israeli retaliation and blamed the Netanyahu government and Israelis by dehumanising them as “settlers” and “occupiers” as a means to justify the attacks against them and hold them instead responsible for Hamas’ depravity. Anti-Israelis have been removing and defacing posters of abducted Isarelis in American cities and educational institutions. "

Originally posted by: Yaniki

Proud of these Indians who value human life over religion.

only thing is he looks more like an unhinged Indian. Hope they investigate him for links to terrorists, and do a full MRI on his brain to see what went wrong. And then check out all the anti-Israel hamas sympathisers

^ lol very brave and intellectually honest, block and unblock like some folks are known to do.Block when they cant debate points logically, and unblock to make a chip shot and scoot again.

if as you claim you are concerned about the hostages taken by hamas, shouldn't you be speaking up against that evil bunch of Islamic terrorists to release the hostages? Otherwise it's just lip service and croc tears