TERE BIN - Yumna Zaidi-Wahaj Ali DT #137 Mere Paas Toh Paise Nahi Hain - Page 86

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

If promo is edited, then the marriage could be done right? She may arrive after him saying QH.. How are we so sure he won't say QH?

No, they can't do that much editing .

It's obvious Haya is about to be questioned

I was not sure of one thing. When aunty was going out she told meerab , if u need anything call farooq and when meesam was there in hospital , Saba also was there, still farroq came asking and he had tears.

Why did they showed farooq there.

More than Haya Murtasim scenes , I get annoyed with Bakhtu Murtasim scenes where Murtasim is being projected as a sad Ishq ka mara insaan.

What nonsense .

No one put a gun on his head to get married , no one

and when I look back there was always something fishy going on between him and Haya . After Meerab left Haya was always in his room .

Meerab may have been rude and arrogant but she was 100 percent correct when she says that no girl is that crazy that she will go after someone if she is not given any hope .

Murtasim's constant communications kept that hope alive in Haya .

Communication is the key to a relationship and in Murtasim and Haya's relationship ,Murtasim always communicated with Haya .

That's exactly what Meerab told him not to do .

Remember the day when he told her that she can have the ring when he gives up on his search for Meerub.

She smiles and lightly touches his face .

What the hell was that if not encouraging the girl , borderline flirting if you ask me .

Murtasim is no saint for sure .Don't just blame Haya .

Meerab is a broken woman now and a mother , she will give up in the end.

Haya will get punished for sure but Murtasim Khan will get away with it .

Originally posted by: Tanyaz

Meerub owes her husband an explanation as to why she disappeared like this .

She can very easily say that Haya was always there between them and Murtasim encouraged Haya ....I don't think Murtasim can try talk himself out now , not after proposing marriage to Haya.

Meerub should also feel very guilty for not trusting Waqas and should give Anwar a chance to be a daddy to her

On the other hand, Meerab always saw Haya as someone trying to get in between them and she was right. So for this to work, Haya can’t be hovering around Murtasim. He has to apologize to her as well and get rid of Haya.

I think we are thinking about this too harshly.

Because we hate haya.

Murtasim grew up with her she's a family member. And he is very caring towards his family. He was a bit different before falling in love with meerab but he softened towards haya. What I noticed was as he was harshly rejected by meerab he emphasized with her.

It's not to say this means he's interested in her in anyway. Sure enough she was bad towards meerab but time and time again it's shown her revelations were true and meerab lied.

After murtasim asks meerab to take care of him and her as he loved her so much she crushes him with the marium betrayal.

And even though she was whitewashed with vikas. What she did was reckless and ridiculously stupid. Why did she not just listen to him?

Why does she have to prove her point. Rather than apologize for it. She all of sudden starts feeling sorry for herself he drove her 3 hours to karachi but she never said a word cos he didn't ask?

She couldn't apologize she even said she had a hand in helping marium run away and couldn't explain anything as he left her home?

And she went out with rohail we will give her benefit of doubt she went because she realized she loved murtasim when he left her home. And she was a bit out of it.

But after all she did and knowing how haya is to not believe him was beyond stupid.

Murtasim once meerab abandons him after that MR stuff or consensual or whatever. He has no reason to believe anything she says because meerabs marzi. He doesn't even think about what haya did. Because all he thinks about is meerab. All he cares about is her.

He looks for her. Haya slithers all around him. Taking care of his every need. But he's barely breating she got him alone. But he's heart broken.

He doesn't care about her.

His mother sent him back to work, he barely does his duties and has no interest in anything.

He does whatever for his family. But he lives with fear she left him for rohail. So when he finds out she didn't. He feels relieved.

But then he realizes she left because of her dumb contract.

Now if we give meerab the benefit of doubt she lost the last wall she had control over. Her running away is an identity crisis. Her family held her marriage above her happiness. So she didn't trust them. Despite their later kindness. She also didn't trust murtasim. Or any love he professed to her because people lied to her. Everyone who said they loved her lied to her.

To her that scene with haya made her think just like everyone else he let her down.

She had nothing in her control. She wanted to regain that. But her getting Pregnant doesn't allow her that. But it gives her a true love. Someone who depends on her. With meesam she heals.

She wants meesam to have everything she didn't. And give her all the love in the world with no conditions.

So I can see her swallowing her pride and going back to him. Now nooran probably meant some of this for us to interpret. But seeing murtasim offer to marry haya on his own wasn't written well enough go convey is majoboori. He should have been forced explicitly not implicitly. Meerab didn't need to be raped for her to loose her identity with the contract.

She could have lost it consensually sleeping with him. And after that noticing his closeness with haya.

Waqas did not need to die. At all period for meerab to realize meesam needs her father.

Meerab could have figured it out while pregnant. She didn't need Farooq fam. She could have moved away and let waqqas and anila support her.

I'd have proffered her living alone. Than having that Farooq character at all.

The leaving away was a punishment for Murtasim ( the story was planned that she got assaulted by her husband , she was a rape victim .

Only the public reaction made them change this .

There is even a scene where Haya is telling Meerab that the best punishment for Murtasim is that he never ever finds out where she is . That scene was edited out later .

I know it's up to everyone how to take this story but it does not makes any sense otherwise

Originally posted by: pressu

Both the writer and the director kind of put Murtasim on pedestal in their interviews. But what were they thinking while writing/directing these scenes?

- When Haya created MU during accident track, we thought that he would be strict with her. I think he didn't talk to her for 2-3 days but after that he was all ok. And because it was the first time viewers didn't mind it much.

- When Haya made Meerab fall from the stairs, viewers expected that Murtasim would be stern with her because it was a big incident. And what we got was him considering her as Ziddi and that's it. He was normal with her. He didn't even confront her for physically hurting Meerab.

- When Haya took video of Marium running away with MZ, viewers expected that Murtasim will confront Haya because he knew that she knew MZ and she let his sister run away with MZ by not stopping Mariyam on time and also not informing the family on time. We never got to see him confronting Haya about these things.

- After the back hug incident, viewers expected that he would be strict with Haya because the back hug was the reason for the argument between him and Meerab and also it was the reason for Meerab leaving Haveli but what we got was him validating Haya's love, offering her Khandani ring which belongs to Meerab and agreeing to marry her.

Siraj and Nooran seem to come from rural feudal backgrounds (in sindh or south punjab).

In these landed, rural, feudal families that are conservative, there is a separate zenana (or woman's section) which is a ruled with an iron fist by the woman of the house (the khanum, the chaudhrayen, the badi bibi, the maa sa - they go by various names/titles).

Where men are responsible for what zameen, zar, panchayati, etc. but what happens in the zenana - including the interpersonal relationships between different women in the house - are the domain of the woman of the house and she regulates it.

Men do not (and are not supposed to) interfere in how these head women run their domain - the same way women are not supposed to interfere with how head men run their panchayats. It is a very gendered division of labour that traverses the public and the private.

If you are from this type of background - MK not taking action himself probably did not strike Nooran or Siraj as weird as it would have been under Maa Begum's (or Merub's) jurisdiction to discipline Haya and mete out her punishment.

Merub never accepted the marriage so never really exerted her khanum power the way she could really to quash Haya like a bug. MB was either negligent or not firm enough. She sent Haya to exile in gaon for a few weeks/months after the stairs and jaadoo incidents but brought her back - her plan to get rid of Haya permanently was to marry her off to Naurez but we saw what happened. With the video, MB questioned Haya but believed her bald-faced lies.

Both the back hug and first accident MU was where MK had a lot more reason to intervene directly. Thia was not a fight between women in the house but something Haya did to MK. If nothing else, he should have told MB to deal with Haya.

Not absolving MK of his responsibility, but just trying to explain why Nooran/Siraj did not think it weird to not have MK deal more actively with Haya

This gendering of roles is so pervasive in our society and takes generations to erode. I am from an urban and liberal family - but even in my family, the role of discipling children and dealing with children squabbles was my mother's domain and something my dad never got involved with. Growing up, the saas-bahu ya naand-bhabhi ki takrars, the jithan-dewrani feuds, other ghareloo jhagras were something I remember seeing men even in urban families just wanting to keep out of and let women in the house sort it out on their own. This was a common dynamic in many urban households when I was growing up. In rural more conservative settings, this type of separation of domains would have been much more obvious.

Originally posted by: Tanyaz

The leaving away was a punishment for Murtasim ( the story was planned that she got assaulted by her husband , she was a rape victim .

Only the public reaction made them change this .

There is even a scene where Haya is telling Meerab that the best punishment for Murtasim is that he never ever finds out where she is . That scene was edited out later .

I know it's up to everyone how to take this story but it does not makes any sense otherwise

Then the eye locks and the kindness he bestowed upon her to win her consent mean nothing. If in anger he can react so violently and violate her. Even If she loved him. And he did so out of showing her he's in control. It's so wrong. Because even if it's his marital right. He's not allowed to do so violently.

It's against Islam. It's sickening honestly because this woman said it would be interesting how they break the contract. Is she romantsizing force. Lol makes me wonder if she likes 50 shade of grey and that are you lost baby girl guy.

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

Siraj and Nooran seem to come from rural feudal backgrounds (in sindh or south punjab).

In these landed, rural, feudal families that are conservative, there is a separate zenana (or woman's section) which is a ruled with an iron fist by the woman of the house (the khanum, the chaudhrayen, the badi bibi, the maa sa - they go by various names/titles).

Where men are responsible for what zameen, zar, panchayati, etc. but what happens in the zenana - including the interpersonal relationships between different women in the house - are the domain of the woman of the house and she regulates it.

Men do not (and are not supposed to) interfere in how these head women run their domain - the same way women are not supposed to interfere with how head men run their panchayats. It is a very gendered division of labour that traverses the public and the private.

If you are from this type of background - MK not taking action himself probably did not strike Nooran or Siraj as weird as it would have been under Maa Begum's (or Merub's) jurisdiction to discipline Haya and mete out her punishment.

Merub never accepted the marriage so never really exerted her khanum power the way she could really to quash Haya like a bug. MB was either negligent or not firm enough. She sent Haya to exile in gaon for a few weeks/months after the stairs and jaadoo incidents but brought her back - her plan to get rid of Haya permanently was to marry her off to Naurez but we saw what happened. With the video, MB questioned Haya but believed her bald-faced lies.

Both the back hug and first accident MU was where MK had a lot more reason to intervene directly. Thia was not a fight between women in the house but something Haya did to MK. If nothing else, he should have told MB to deal with Haya.

Not absolving MK of his responsibility, but just trying to explain why Nooran/Siraj did not think it weird to not have MK deal more actively with Haya

This gendering of roles is so pervasive in our society and takes generations to erode. I am from an urban and liberal family - but even in my family, the role of discipling children and dealing with children squabbles was my mother's domain and something my dad never got involved with. Growing up, the saas-bahu ya naand-bhabhi ki takrars, the jithan-dewrani feuds, other ghareloo jhagras were something I remember seeing men even in urban families just wanting to keep out of and let women in the house sort it out on their own. This was a common dynamic in many urban households when I was growing up. In rural more conservative settings, this type of separation of domains would have been much more obvious.

Thanks for the background. Helps understand some of these issues a little better.