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Sunny was never an independent man and he is still not.

He is papa ka bhakt. He was launched in films by Dharam and even his iconic film and only National award winning film Ghayal was produced by his dad.

How could he have kept mom or supported separation from dad then when he was old fashioned pind da puttar himself and dependent on his dad, cashing on his stardom and industry networks?

Bobby had not debuted then either.

Prakash was village woman and such women from those times were not even educated. Unthinkable for them to be independent or think of divorce. They were conscious of being labelled divorcee or accused of breaking family if they got divorced.

So well said. I agree with every word.

Same old crap desi mentality of father or grandfather or elder brother or mom or nani, dadi or saas controlling decisions and meddlinh in life.

I agree. I have faced it myself. I feel biggest mistake in my life was to listen to my parents.

Desi families never let you be independent. Nor trust your own gut feeling or instinct or follow own intuition. They make you doubt yourself and keep guilt tripping you or make you emotional or blackmail you or scare you against doing your own thing and bring everyone to humiliate you, if you defy them.

I had an inkling that Bobby was too much under influence of Dharam and Sunny. Thanks for sharing details about how his career suffered due to dad and bhaiya choosing outdated films for him based on own old school mindset.

Deols had tried to meddle in career of Abhay also. But he carved his own path and did not rely much on them nor made Dharam's nephew his primary identity. He was smart enough to carve own niche and appeal to urban sensibilities than remain frozen in Punjab di mitti da puttar or pass off as pind da puttar like Dharam and Sunny.

Amused how desis call this bullshit controlling behaviour as family values.

If you ask me, I think Esha, Abhishek, would have had a better career if they stepped out of shadow of their families and did not tag along with them nor had them meddle in their choices of scripts.

Enmeshment with families destroys your life. Later same family has the gall to call you unlucky or blame destiny, luck, karma, fate or Will of God for own faulty decisions. You are right about most desis living in repression and unable to fulfil own potential.

Abhay is an example of a more autonome mindset which he was most probably allowed already in his youth, I assume. His education could have been more in direction of "choose your own path, make your experiences, try to be as independent as possible".

I liked him in all the movies where I've watched him...starting with a wonderful suprise in the lovable Imtiaz' debut-movie Socha Na Tha 😊

Originally posted by: oyebollywood

2 movies released and flopped

I never even knew it was released😒😂.

Also helps that Abhay is nephew and not son.

Father has way more control than an uncle.

Sunny for eg just starts crying talking about his dad and is madly loyal to him, emotional about him.

Abhay is his own person and not really indebted to anyone nor that emotionally attached.

I like he carved his own path. He was otherwise mocked for not looking as macho as rest of Deol male actors.

Originally posted by: atominis

So well said. I agree with every word.

Same old crap desi mentality of father or grandfather or elder brother or mom or nani, dadi or saas controlling decisions and meddlinh in life.

I agree. I have faced it myself. I feel biggest mistake in my life was to listen to my parents.

Desi families never let you be independent. Nor trust your own gut feeling or instinct or follow own intuition. They make you doubt yourself and keep guilt tripping you or make you emotional or blackmail you or scare you against doing your own thing and bring everyone to humiliate you, if you defy them.

I had an inkling that Bobby was too much under influence of Dharam and Sunny. Thanks for sharing details about how his career suffered due to dad and bhaiya choosing outdated films for him based on own old school mindset.

Deols had tried to meddle in career of Abhay also. But he carved his own path and did not rely much on them nor made Dharam's nephew his primary identity. He was smart enough to carve own niche and appeal to urban sensibilities than remain frozen in Punjab di mitti da puttar or pass off as pind da puttar like Dharam and Sunny.

Amused how desis call this bullshit controlling behaviour as family values.

If you ask me, I think Esha, Abhishek, would have had a better career if they stepped out of shadow of their families and did not tag along with them nor had them meddle in their choices of scripts.

Enmeshment with families destroys your life. Later same family has the gall to call you unlucky or blame destiny, luck, karma, fate or Will of God for own faulty decisions. You are right about most desis living in repression and unable to fulfil own potential.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/delhi-times/deols-second-innings/articleshow/2230320.cms

Here is dharmendra saying even now in 2022 that he hates bobby long hair and wants it chopped off himself. In 1990s i am sure Dharmedra forced bobby to cut his long hair short i had read in an interview that he hated bobby long hairs.

Same way you can google about sunny fights with directors like yash chopra etc that ensured bobby could not work with 50% of Bollywood producers/directors than. Not sayng sunny is wrong but that ensured bobby never got opportunities like abhishekh/hrithik got in big production movies

Even Esha had same issue not allowing her to wear modern dresses initially or keeping with times because she herself told she has to think of her parents back ground before wearing any modern clothes whether dad mom is ok with it

While kareena/karishma had no such compulsions or doing bold scenes etc

Dharmendra had problem with bobby delol ashram role too as it had steamy scenes but i guess by than bobby is 50 plus so he did not really think to pls daddy dear and did what he wanted to do for the OTT movie

Originally posted by: Clochette

Abhay is an example of a more autonome mindset which he was most probably allowed already in his youth, I assume. His education could have been more in direction of "choose your own path, make your experiences, try to be as independent as possible".

I liked him in all the movies where I've watched him...starting with a wonderful suprise in the lovable Imtiaz' debut-movie Socha Na Tha 😊

I guess abhay was dhramendra brother son and youngest so parents start relaxing by time youngest comes to profession so youngest gets more independence than elder two sons

If you see karan deol is again obedient types and innocent like bobby deol only. I think even bobby elder son Aryaman looks obedient types.

Usually youngest will get more freedom so bobby youngest and sunny youngest may get more freedom to do as they wish like abhay

Education has not much say bobby is also a degree holder so is abhay. It all parents how much they make you indebted to them. If they make you feel indebted to them all life and emotionally keep blackmailing you saying i did this for you this for you that for you i struggled suffered so much for you than children start feeling guilty from childhood. That makes them obedient like sunny/bobby/esha/abhishekh too the emotional blackmail that i have worked so hard to give you a good life end you abroad give lavish bungalows cars etc compared to remaining 95% people on earth.

What parent forgets is that after they retire kids too work hard and give them best life later so why emotionally blackmail them saying i did this that for you.

What asian/indian arents do is emotional blackmail indebt kids sayin we worked for you all life did not go on foreign tours slept outside train station etc that all these actors say even on TV and interviews. Excuse so what many people do so much more hard work cannot get 1% salary you get as actor all life in india or most world. Nor are they appreciated and loved like actors so what are you bragging about saying i slept in train station? That kind of emotional blackmail leads to kids feeling guilty and indebted to parents no matter how wrong parents are doing with their kids and make them bend to parents

Rarely a indian or asian kid will tell parents after they retire i work hard 12 hours for you or sleep on chair to feed you or pay your medical bills etc that only parent says(atleast those born before 2000s never say)

Those born after 2000s are becoming assertive about their needs and doing what they want but not large extent

Originally posted by: atominis

Sunny was never an independent man and he is still not.

He is papa ka bhakt. He was launched in films by Dharam and even his iconic film and only National award winning film Ghayal was produced by his dad.

How could he have kept mom or supported separation from dad then when he was old fashioned pind da puttar himself and dependent on his dad, cashing on his stardom and industry networks?

Bobby had not debuted then either.

Prakash was village woman and such women from those times were not even educated. Unthinkable for them to be independent or think of divorce. They were conscious of being labelled divorcee or accused of breaking family if they got divorced.

I didn’t read the entire thread but this post is just a little too much of an exaggeration, don’t you think so? I don’t know and don’t care about their personal lives but you are saying like as if Sunny is a talentless hack who achieved whatever he did because of his father.

In conclusion to all Deols. Although dharam ji is popular among all age groups and in industry colleagues. It's really feel off when I see him in reality shows still feeling proud of his beauty. Also the way he behaves around hema Malini in reality shows also looks bad n cringe.

Can't see what hema saw in him. She could have easily marry a more good match.

On praksh Kaur the lady blasts dimple but doesnt blame her own son. (Hippocrisy ki heights) media rightly said he is not in relationship on gun point. He is willingly in relationship and was forced to marry. Blame your son first why he continues relationship after marriage. It's a common joke that he can be always found in Kapadias juhu bunglow.

Sunny he makes producers life hell by delaying movies. Was fine till action movies. But when romantic era came he lost out. For Bobby probably don't have troubling personality and looks to papa ji and bhaiya.

Read why I wrote that post. I never said Sunny has no talent. I was responding to someone else who said why could Parkash not divorce Dharam and live with Sunny and Bobby herself? Myviewprem said maybe grown up Sunny and Bobby could have supported their mom.

I just said they were too dependent on Dharam to support their mom divorcing Dharam and they were not the kind to defy their dad or live separately from him.

The discussion was about Dharam's controlling, dominating and patriarchal nature and why Prakash never left him despite affairs and marriage to Hema or how Sunny and Bobby also had Dharam controlling their personal and professional life and Sunny had wanted to marry Dimple but Dharam ensured he married Pooja and most Deol women are kept away from media or tolerate affairs of men, the way Pooja also tolerates Sunny still being in touch with Dimple.

Read whole context before jumping to conclusions. We are not discussing careers here.