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You have enlisted all the valid points, IMO KMK is anything but dumb.

Remember Haya cooking them candle-light dinner, the gajra not only MB made Haya's removed, but meerab had many arranged By murtasim. Always Haya preparations and scheming will end up with meerab having the better of it.

The promo question about the revenge angle is misleading like they always do.

MK forgives Haya for the mistakes known to him, but her mistakes this time haven't surfaced yet, so picture abhi baaki hai.

Zeher lagti ho - MK meant I hate you for your slitherine 🐍 nature to HAYA.

(IN BOLD RED) due to lazy ✍️ wanted to rinse repeat and make audience infer from the beginning episodes.

Originally posted by: altr

Haya-MK engagement: Red herrings and Validations

Makers have taken the "cinema is a visual experience" and "art and perception" too seriously, so seriously that they have not given us enough dialogues to validate our analyses of the characters. And the perspectives we have are on extremes.

But there have been a few instances when our analyses have been validated to the T. In recent times, it was MK saying exactly what we felt when M disappeared. He described M just as we understood her always. And also M's battle of the heart and mind as we predicted.

So, while there has been a drought of useful dialogues in the last few episodes, the few dialogues we did get have been reflective of MM's thoughts.

But before we delve into this, we need to remember 2 things:

A. The director asked us to focus on the body language and note the contrast between dialogues and body language.

B. MM cannot be understood from other characters' perspectives, especially Haya's. Other characters are here to mislead the audience.

Besides, Haya is a pathological liar, and it has been established through her actions consistently and validated by her own dialogue. Case in point, when she's on call with Naurez and says: Main toh kabhi jhoot nahi bolti.

Now, about Haya-MK engagement, we have to take into account only MK's dialogues and actions.

1. The night after Waqas's funeral: MK suggested Haya had a hand in Meerab's disappearance.

No couple can be broken by a third person. MM's own flaws have broken them here. But I have a feeling makers are going to blame this on H as well. She is going to be the external trigger.

But why Haya? Possibly because:

Haya instigated M to leave: that deleted H-M clip

MK doesn’t know about black magic. And Bengali baji said: I’ll put things behind her (M), she’ll get scared and run away. She won’t recognise herself nor will MK.

Is the writer going to blanket the identity crisis with black magic plot line? On the flip side, this will trivialise the whole identity crisis plot.

Black magic is not something that the makers can play with. It needs to be addressed. But this is the same team that didn't consider MR to be a crime.

But the bottomline is that, by MK's dialogue, we know that H is going to be held accountable for M's disappearance. It's only a matter of time until MK finds out whatever it is that H did.

2. MK and Ishq: MK is sure about his ishq. There is going to be no hisaab-kitaab. Ishq is always alive.

So, why his sudden betrayal to his ishq?

Meerab dies and he moves one? Ishq doesn't allow it

Meerab is alive, but he doubts her, or perhaps he seeks revenge? Ishq doesn't allow it

3. Not all of H's crimes have been out in the open for MK.

Crimes he is aware of:

- Pushing Meerab down the stairs

- Filling his ears about his wife

- Lying to make herself feel like his partner: gajra, cooking, laundry, etc.

- Stealing in desperate attempts: contract, ring

Crimes he isn't aware of are the worst:

- Black magic against Meerab: 1) To kill her 2) To separate her from MK

Was BM a red herring for MK's rash driving and hiding MZ's identity with the jinn bhoot talks? Or was it the other way around?

- Haya allowing Mariam to go with an assaulter

Why include an exchange between MK and Haya in the script (drive to college) to ensure MK knows Haya has seen MZ?

- Haya manipulating Maryam-Naurez wedding to happen

MK knowing this will be a strong reason to propose to Haya, to prevent her from pulling any other trick to escape marriage.

MB knows this. Notice her body language when Naurez talks about someone lying to him about Maryam's love for him.

4. MK has always forgiven Haya over time. But he never forgets.

Case in point: "Zeher lag rahi ho" "Why does this make you sad/distressed?".

Haya was pretty much staying clear of his path throughout Naurez-MZ-Maryam track. She never did any behaya actions either. Then, when she fills his ears against Meerab, when Meerab was at fault, he rightly pointed out why it distressed her, and then closed the exchange with zeher lag rahi ho.

Time and again, he forgave Haya. With time, he even starts to act normal with her. He gives her a chance to be a better person. Why?

He is a good person, according to the narrative. And HE is the one she loves; there is guilt involved.

Also, when Haya is finally exposed/punished, this will clear MK of his guilt. And also because he is the object of her love.

Haya always took advantage of his forgiving nature.

A clever person need not be told the same thing again. They learn from their mistakes. But MK has committed the same mistake more than once. So, if he is as shrewd as the narrative claims him to be, he cannot repeat his mistake. A shrewd feudal lord cannot fall for an 18-20 year old's traps and tricks in the last leg of the show. He needs to be the planner, the one who strategises.

5. Dinner date, M says: If you stop giving her chances, she will move away on her own.

Makers don't focus on Meerab's emotions. According to the director, Meerab is the wrong one. This is in line with the show, because when MK was at fault when allowing Haya's advances, his flaws were not highlighted.

However, this one line by Meerab sticks out. MK doesn't want Haya to be behind him, but by being nice to her, he unintentionally encourages her to the point where she dares to cross the line.

MK allowed the gajra incident>gao incident

MK offered to take her shopping and commented on her choice>hug

He is a powerful feudal lord. It shouldn't be difficult for him put away an 18-20 year old in his own house. So, he needs to redeem himself for all his mistakes he did in his 'niceness'.

6. MK consistently refusing every possible romantic inclination towards H

Even if it wasn't you, marriage to H was never possible.

She is like Maryam to me.

7. Precap: MK when holding the ring. Not the body language of a person who has given up.

We are at the show's climax. It's time for the leads to ACT and not react. It's time for them to connect the dots. It's time for the show to close all the plot lines.

We have no idea about the plan or the story ahead, but these dialogues are here for a reason. How these dialogues play out, we'll have to wait and watch.

Originally posted by: altr

Haya-MK engagement: Red herrings and Validations

Makers have taken the "cinema is a visual experience" and "art and perception" too seriously, so seriously that they have not given us enough dialogues to validate our analyses of the characters. And the perspectives we have are on extremes.

But there have been a few instances when our analyses have been validated to the T. In recent times, it was MK saying exactly what we felt when M disappeared. He described M just as we understood her always. And also M's battle of the heart and mind as we predicted.

So, while there has been a drought of useful dialogues in the last few episodes, the few dialogues we did get have been reflective of MM's thoughts.

But before we delve into this, we need to remember 2 things:

A. The director asked us to focus on the body language and note the contrast between dialogues and body language.

B. MM cannot be understood from other characters' perspectives, especially Haya's. Other characters are here to mislead the audience.

Besides, Haya is a pathological liar, and it has been established through her actions consistently and validated by her own dialogue. Case in point, when she's on call with Naurez and says: Main toh kabhi jhoot nahi bolti.

Now, about Haya-MK engagement, we have to take into account only MK's dialogues and actions.

1. The night after Waqas's funeral: MK suggested Haya had a hand in Meerab's disappearance.

No couple can be broken by a third person. MM's own flaws have broken them here. But I have a feeling makers are going to blame this on H as well. She is going to be the external trigger.

But why Haya? Possibly because:

Haya instigated M to leave: that deleted H-M clip

MK doesn’t know about black magic. And Bengali baji said: I’ll put things behind her (M), she’ll get scared and run away. She won’t recognise herself nor will MK.

Is the writer going to blanket the identity crisis with black magic plot line? On the flip side, this will trivialise the whole identity crisis plot.

Black magic is not something that the makers can play with. It needs to be addressed. But this is the same team that didn't consider MR to be a crime.

But the bottomline is that, by MK's dialogue, we know that H is going to be held accountable for M's disappearance. It's only a matter of time until MK finds out whatever it is that H did.

2. MK and Ishq: MK is sure about his ishq. There is going to be no hisaab-kitaab. Ishq is always alive.

So, why his sudden betrayal to his ishq?

Meerab dies and he moves one? Ishq doesn't allow it

Meerab is alive, but he doubts her, or perhaps he seeks revenge? Ishq doesn't allow it

3. Not all of H's crimes have been out in the open for MK.

Crimes he is aware of:

- Pushing Meerab down the stairs

- Filling his ears about his wife

- Lying to make herself feel like his partner: gajra, cooking, laundry, etc.

- Stealing in desperate attempts: contract, ring

Crimes he isn't aware of are the worst:

- Black magic against Meerab: 1) To kill her 2) To separate her from MK

Was BM a red herring for MK's rash driving and hiding MZ's identity with the jinn bhoot talks? Or was it the other way around?

- Haya allowing Mariam to go with an assaulter

Why include an exchange between MK and Haya in the script (drive to college) to ensure MK knows Haya has seen MZ?

- Haya manipulating Maryam-Naurez wedding to happen

MK knowing this will be a strong reason to propose to Haya, to prevent her from pulling any other trick to escape marriage.

MB knows this. Notice her body language when Naurez talks about someone lying to him about Maryam's love for him.

4. MK has always forgiven Haya over time. But he never forgets.

Case in point: "Zeher lag rahi ho" "Why does this make you sad/distressed?".

Haya was pretty much staying clear of his path throughout Naurez-MZ-Maryam track. She never did any behaya actions either. Then, when she fills his ears against Meerab, when Meerab was at fault, he rightly pointed out why it distressed her, and then closed the exchange with zeher lag rahi ho.

Time and again, he forgave Haya. With time, he even starts to act normal with her. He gives her a chance to be a better person. Why?

He is a good person, according to the narrative. And HE is the one she loves; there is guilt involved.

Also, when Haya is finally exposed/punished, this will clear MK of his guilt. And also because he is the object of her love.

Haya always took advantage of his forgiving nature.

A clever person need not be told the same thing again. They learn from their mistakes. But MK has committed the same mistake more than once. So, if he is as shrewd as the narrative claims him to be, he cannot repeat his mistake. A shrewd feudal lord cannot fall for an 18-20 year old's traps and tricks in the last leg of the show. He needs to be the planner, the one who strategises.

5. Dinner date, M says: If you stop giving her chances, she will move away on her own.

Makers don't focus on Meerab's emotions. According to the director, Meerab is the wrong one. This is in line with the show, because when MK was at fault when allowing Haya's advances, his flaws were not highlighted.

However, this one line by Meerab sticks out. MK doesn't want Haya to be behind him, but by being nice to her, he unintentionally encourages her to the point where she dares to cross the line.

MK allowed the gajra incident>gao incident

MK offered to take her shopping and commented on her choice>hug

He is a powerful feudal lord. It shouldn't be difficult for him put away an 18-20 year old in his own house. So, he needs to redeem himself for all his mistakes he did in his 'niceness'.

6. MK consistently refusing every possible romantic inclination towards H

Even if it wasn't you, marriage to H was never possible.

She is like Maryam to me.

7. Precap: MK when holding the ring. Not the body language of a person who has given up.

We are at the show's climax. It's time for the leads to ACT and not react. It's time for them to connect the dots. It's time for the show to close all the plot lines.

We have no idea about the plan or the story ahead, but these dialogues are here for a reason. How these dialogues play out, we'll have to wait and watch.

Murtasim is so "nice" man that's why made his behen jaisi cousin sit on his bed after she bitched about his wife

He is wonderful man that's why he forgave his sweet cousin easily despite her creating misunderstandings between him & his wife

He is great person who didn't mind his cousin dressing as his wife & seducing him

He is great man that's why complimented his cousin despite knowing his wife doesn't like it.

He is demigod in the form of human, that's why forgave his cousin even though his wife got harmed physically because of his cousin

He is outstanding husband that's why offered wife's ring to his cousin within 2 days of wife's missing

He is marvellous person that's why didn't say a single word against his cousin for hugging him & for letting his wife think he is having affair with her

He is most supportive husband that's why blindly believed his cousin over his wife even after his cousin pushing attempt on his wife

He is most intelligent & nicest man on the earth who proposed to marry his behen jaisi cousin by not letting her marry someone else

Poor nice guy forgives everyone in his "niceness"

Oh sorry not everyone, only his behen jaisi cousin

His niceness was sleeping while leaving wife at midnight infront of her parents gate.

While letting everyone think his wife is characterless

While calling his wife names for meeting her male friend at public place by forgetting the niceness he himself snowed towards his cousin

How I wish meerab also showed her "niceness" to rohail.

Selfless abla mard doesn't deserve selfish people. That's why he got his haya ♥️

Originally posted by: altr

Haya-MK engagement: Red herrings and Validations

Makers have taken the "cinema is a visual experience" and "art and perception" too seriously, so seriously that they have not given us enough dialogues to validate our analyses of the characters. And the perspectives we have are on extremes.

But there have been a few instances when our analyses have been validated to the T. In recent times, it was MK saying exactly what we felt when M disappeared. He described M just as we understood her always. And also M's battle of the heart and mind as we predicted.

So, while there has been a drought of useful dialogues in the last few episodes, the few dialogues we did get have been reflective of MM's thoughts.

But before we delve into this, we need to remember 2 things:

A. The director asked us to focus on the body language and note the contrast between dialogues and body language.

B. MM cannot be understood from other characters' perspectives, especially Haya's. Other characters are here to mislead the audience.

Besides, Haya is a pathological liar, and it has been established through her actions consistently and validated by her own dialogue. Case in point, when she's on call with Naurez and says: Main toh kabhi jhoot nahi bolti.

Now, about Haya-MK engagement, we have to take into account only MK's dialogues and actions.

1. The night after Waqas's funeral: MK suggested Haya had a hand in Meerab's disappearance.

No couple can be broken by a third person. MM's own flaws have broken them here. But I have a feeling makers are going to blame this on H as well. She is going to be the external trigger.

But why Haya? Possibly because:

Haya instigated M to leave: that deleted H-M clip

MK doesn’t know about black magic. And Bengali baji said: I’ll put things behind her (M), she’ll get scared and run away. She won’t recognise herself nor will MK.

Is the writer going to blanket the identity crisis with black magic plot line? On the flip side, this will trivialise the whole identity crisis plot.

Black magic is not something that the makers can play with. It needs to be addressed. But this is the same team that didn't consider MR to be a crime.

But the bottomline is that, by MK's dialogue, we know that H is going to be held accountable for M's disappearance. It's only a matter of time until MK finds out whatever it is that H did.

2. MK and Ishq: MK is sure about his ishq. There is going to be no hisaab-kitaab. Ishq is always alive.

So, why his sudden betrayal to his ishq?

Meerab dies and he moves one? Ishq doesn't allow it

Meerab is alive, but he doubts her, or perhaps he seeks revenge? Ishq doesn't allow it

3. Not all of H's crimes have been out in the open for MK.

Crimes he is aware of:

- Pushing Meerab down the stairs

- Filling his ears about his wife

- Lying to make herself feel like his partner: gajra, cooking, laundry, etc.

- Stealing in desperate attempts: contract, ring

Crimes he isn't aware of are the worst:

- Black magic against Meerab: 1) To kill her 2) To separate her from MK

Was BM a red herring for MK's rash driving and hiding MZ's identity with the jinn bhoot talks? Or was it the other way around?

- Haya allowing Mariam to go with an assaulter

Why include an exchange between MK and Haya in the script (drive to college) to ensure MK knows Haya has seen MZ?

- Haya manipulating Maryam-Naurez wedding to happen

MK knowing this will be a strong reason to propose to Haya, to prevent her from pulling any other trick to escape marriage.

MB knows this. Notice her body language when Naurez talks about someone lying to him about Maryam's love for him.

4. MK has always forgiven Haya over time. But he never forgets.

Case in point: "Zeher lag rahi ho" "Why does this make you sad/distressed?".

Haya was pretty much staying clear of his path throughout Naurez-MZ-Maryam track. She never did any behaya actions either. Then, when she fills his ears against Meerab, when Meerab was at fault, he rightly pointed out why it distressed her, and then closed the exchange with zeher lag rahi ho.

Time and again, he forgave Haya. With time, he even starts to act normal with her. He gives her a chance to be a better person. Why?

He is a good person, according to the narrative. And HE is the one she loves; there is guilt involved.

Also, when Haya is finally exposed/punished, this will clear MK of his guilt. And also because he is the object of her love.

Haya always took advantage of his forgiving nature.

A clever person need not be told the same thing again. They learn from their mistakes. But MK has committed the same mistake more than once. So, if he is as shrewd as the narrative claims him to be, he cannot repeat his mistake. A shrewd feudal lord cannot fall for an 18-20 year old's traps and tricks in the last leg of the show. He needs to be the planner, the one who strategises.

5. Dinner date, M says: If you stop giving her chances, she will move away on her own.

Makers don't focus on Meerab's emotions. According to the director, Meerab is the wrong one. This is in line with the show, because when MK was at fault when allowing Haya's advances, his flaws were not highlighted.

However, this one line by Meerab sticks out. MK doesn't want Haya to be behind him, but by being nice to her, he unintentionally encourages her to the point where she dares to cross the line.

MK allowed the gajra incident>gao incident

MK offered to take her shopping and commented on her choice>hug

He is a powerful feudal lord. It shouldn't be difficult for him put away an 18-20 year old in his own house. So, he needs to redeem himself for all his mistakes he did in his 'niceness'.

6. MK consistently refusing every possible romantic inclination towards H

Even if it wasn't you, marriage to H was never possible.

She is like Maryam to me.

7. Precap: MK when holding the ring. Not the body language of a person who has given up.

We are at the show's climax. It's time for the leads to ACT and not react. It's time for them to connect the dots. It's time for the show to close all the plot lines.

We have no idea about the plan or the story ahead, but these dialogues are here for a reason. How these dialogues play out, we'll have to wait and watch.

Thanks for such detailed analysis you captured all the critical points.

Can't say much until we see the episode.

What will he do and Why does he do it?

Hey do you think 🤔 we can get to know his viewpoint on the present track today, tomorrow or ever at all. Because his agreement for marriage and deep love for meerab was never shown how the transformation happened.

Originally posted by: Gundamwing

Thanks for such detailed analysis you captured all the critical points.

Can't say much until we see the episode.

What will he do and Why does he do it?

Originally posted by: Rsrockz

Hey do you think 🤔 we can get to know his viewpoint on the present track today, tomorrow or ever at all. Because his agreement for marriage and deep love for meerab was never shown how the transformation happened.

within hi

Unfortunately, after today's episode, I felt his character is too shallow for me

Originally posted by: altr

By the end of the show, if there's any layered viewpoint. 🤓

Originally posted by: Rsrockz

Unfortunately, after today's episode, I felt his character is too shallow for me

I have a few thoughts on today's epi too, but I'll watch the end and then decide.

If his character was to be this shallow, what was the point of this lovestory then?

Today has negated every single thing about this lovestory, his loyalty to Meerab, his indifference to Haya... all of it!

He has been shown to have no control over anything happening with him so far, marriage, being played by Haya, Meerab leaving him... the only time he took control is by having him volunteer to marry Haya! Almost felt like he was sleepwalking till now and suddenly woke up to declare he will marry Haya!?!

Was it always supposed to be a story just about Meerab, her struggles, her forced encounter with him and the life after with their accidental child?

Was Meerab supposed to be the only "Hero" of this show?

Meerab kept making mistakes throughout... only to come back triumphant in one swift moment today.

That moment was at Murtasim's expense.

What now for him? He can only go down, no way to come back up.

Originally posted by: altr

BOHT zyada chances hain for his character to be shallow. I don't trust the director. He has a bias against FLs, so he can justify anything the ML does.

I have a few thoughts on today's epi too, but I'll watch the end and then decide.

My complaints are two-fold, murtasim was never great, he seemed better(defending meerab during fish allergy is similar to defending haya for clinging onto him, waleema defence he also defended his mum's statute, protecting meerab during kidnap is similar to protecting mariyum from MZ changul for khandaani izzath)because responsible nature is misconstrued as his love for his wife. But he turned out to be very shallow and superficial in nature.

1. In the 1st place murtasim isn't a great character. All the assumptions of his greatness are disproven with today, one painful fact his words are very superficial and sadly he never gets to the bottom of the things, not even once did he pay attention to what meerab has been accusing or he never bothered to make sure meerab is safe neither after mariyum fiasco, dropping her at Waqas's place and aftertheir CS when meerab's suddenly gone missing. He can be comedy and be readily agreed to do anything including marrying Haya without any apparent pressure even from his mum. Nothing justifies this behaviour when he claim to be loving his wife eternally and unconditionally.

2.Meerab accusations about MuYa's closeness are all true. They were meant to be together had it not been for meerab's networth(property share through Anwar's daughter)her sophisticated upbringing by her foster parents. Hence meerab's justified at being angry and not accepting their forced marriage and murtasim's indeed an untrustworthy partner jinka koi bharosa nahi.

So, my question is does the writer really think this is a great lovestory or a masterpiece 🤔 .

I'm Seriously irritated and beyond dismayed with murtasim's proposal of marriage to Haya when his mom is persuading her to marry someone suitable to her. What exactly is his rationale behind conveniently assuming his wife can elope with her classmate right after having CS with him. Atleast is it not his responsibility to ensure she's OK after they have done the deed.

NM story reflects a feudal society where women are forced and enslaved in the name of marriage to provide bed comforts, give birth and nurture the heirs with no objecting or conflicting emotions with their khandaans.

If this setup is still prevalent in Pakistan of today then my condolences to all those women and foremost to NM for promoting and romanticising such backward thought processes.

Originally posted by: SheThought

If his character was to be this shallow, what was the point of this lovestory then?

Today has negated every single thing about this lovestory, his loyalty to Meerab, his indifference to Haya... all of it!

He has been shown to have no control over anything happening with him so far, marriage, being played by Haya, Meerab leaving him... the only time he took control is by having him volunteer to marry Haya! Almost felt like he was sleepwalking till now and suddenly woke up to declare he will marry Haya!?!

Was it always supposed to be a story just about Meerab, her struggles, her forced encounter with him and the life after with their accidental child?

Was Meerab supposed to be the only "Hero" of this show?

Meerab kept making mistakes throughout... only to come back triumphant in one swift moment today.

That moment was at Murtasim's expense.

What now for him? He can only go down, no way to come back up.