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When ever I see her .. the only image comes to mind is lioness.. only a lioness can stands up to a lion .. the Valima pic puts it very clearly.. her head was not ready for marriage and though it is very hurtful for the baby she still needs to figure out whether she is in or out with MK..she has played with his emotions.. he is hurt as the only time they had any normalcy was the time when spoke about the ishq and that was imp for MK as he felt he made a breakthrough.. but later realized he got played.. it hurts..

both are deeply flawed and can only live only with each other.. they both have big hearts and big egos..

going back to lioness.. when they are injured they lick their wounds in private and what ever reason she gives .. at the end the kids safety is important even more than love..

sweetness is not part of their equation.. they are both alphas …

She will learn from her mistakes.. her child will be sick and she will need all those whom she is shunning..

Asaani se samajh leti tau sab se pehle MK se mohabbat karti... 15 deshon ki bandiyan Mk parti hai but yeh Nahi..

I believe agar mohabbat mein baimani karo tau woh mohabbat Nahi.. if you get to spend your life with the one you love great.. agar Nahi tau next janam mein try kare💕💕😂

Originally posted by: JaneAustin

Agree I wish they didn’t have a baby involved. Yes Meerab needed this time away from Murtasim but as soon as she found out she was pregnant I wish she returned home.

The Meerab I thought I knew was angry with everyone because the truth of her birth was hidden from her. She never knew her real father and she was angry at her foster parents for knowingly hiding this. Yet she is doing the same to her child with Murtasim. The longer she leaves him with this secret, the more it begins eating away at her conscience.
She has become “meri marzi” Meerab, but not in the strong fighting manner she used to be. She has chosen to be away from her husband and family thinking it will bring back her strong independent self but in seeking answers to her life she seems to have lost her identity even more.
She needs him just as much as he needs her. She even seems to miss him and the flashbacks show us this. But above all she needs to be in control of her life and so she chooses to stay hidden.

Originally posted by: JaneAustin

Thanks Gunn, this gives me hope!

Looking forward to reading whenever you post 🤗

Originally posted by: anu41982

Haya and ‘Thursday-TB-Teaser’ Syndrome

Today, my original plan was to write my thoughts on Gun’s interesting post on ‘What is Murtasim’s original sin?’, but as usual, TB-team has a way of ruining everyone’s plans. Since Ms. Nooran has mastered the theory of ‘Unpredictability’, by putting this post, I might be putting my foot in my mouth on Thursday night, next week, but oh, well! So, I am going to try and stay clear from predicting anything – ‘try’ being the most significant term here.

Disclaimer: It is going to be a very long post, and my thoughts are all over the place. So, there is a high chance that this post may lose its way in the middle, but I promise I will bring it back to the track before the end – just like with our beloved drama! Also, keep in mind, I know nothing about story writing and literature – all my ramblings below come from the point of being an avid reader. Nothing more and nothing less.

Who is Haya? Haya is the main villain in TB’s plot. In my opinion, Nooran’s TB is about the ‘Epic love story of the KMK’ – that is her basic plot. The director said in his interview that the ‘contract’ is the hook of their story. Understandable as it was what pushed the story’s motion from that point onward. TB fandom is a testament for that – the hype of the contract breach and all! So, that leaves us to resolve the other major plot points - the revelation of Meerab’s parentage, the consummation/ contract breach and identity crisis/ separation, the dilemma of the main leads, finally, the climax and denouement (again, just my pov!). All the rest have been sub-plots/ twist and turns etc., but monumental (at least some) to show the character developments and to navigate between plot points. Coming back to the original question, where does Haya’s character fit in? You’d realize that she has no place in any of the major plot points, but she is significant in driving all the sub-plots/ twists (Nope, I would not say that the contract breach and separation happened because of Haya – Please…! I would not give her that importance; these two has much larger issues between them than that!).

Haya is one of the two constant characters in the TB world, the other being Malik Zubair. Why constant? All the other characters have either progressed or circumstantially fluctuated. Haya’s is the same as she was shown in the Ep.01 (MZ is the arch nemesis of KMK and has less screen space to elaborate the character progression, so we can ignore him with just the ‘negative’ tag.). Haya is shown as an orphan, taken into the family with open arms, given all the luxuries etc. etc. But she is always considered ‘like a daughter’, not as the daughter. The underline is clear; you are family, but not as much as family as the others of the family. She was constantly threatened to be sent away to her paternal grandmother. She is partially a ‘charity’ case for the family. So, you’d find that she constantly tries to find her hold to be belonging to the family, keeps emphasizing how she is a part of the family etc. She finally finds her ultimate ticket to her goal – heir of the family. If she becomes the lady of the house, her position will be unshaken. MB cannot tell her off, it will be her house to rule – the supremacy. That is the basis of her obsession over KMK, everyone is hoodwinked into think that she is in love with him since they were children – but it is her mirage.

And there is not a single positive attribute to her character – nada! She has always been shown as a selfish, ‘opportunist’; take that initial sequence where Mariyam is getting ready for a party, the moment MB questioned about the visit, Haya whitewashed herself throwing Mariyam under the bus. She was selfish and after 50+ episodes, she still is. This scene was important, because as we have seen in subsequent episodes, Mariyam is the only person who truly considered Haya as family. She was always considerate towards her, but as it goes, Haya was shown to be the most inconsiderate and insensitive towards Mariyam. She is detestable (and it doesn’t help that the portrayal is also a bit mediocre. No offence to the actor, but except for the slyness, the act is always monotonous and repetitive, dialogue delivery has the same tone mostly – screeching sort of tone, and the bobbing of the head while delivering dialogues sometimes to drive the point home, seems so irritating!). So, Haya is the prototypical antagonist of the TB plot – villain of KMK’s love story. Male protagonist ending up with the antagonist can be considered with an infinite series, where there will be space for further resolution. But if that happened with a finite series (especially, since we are at the end), then either I have made a colossal mistake in identifying the protagonists of the story or the writer has a preposterous imagination!

Haya was, is and will be there till the end of the story. During Haya and KMK’s first encounter (Ep. 01), KMK asked ‘why this sudden change?’ when she was trying to offer him water. So, Haya’s epiphany of her 'love' had come right before the story starts as we know it. And pre-marriage, KMK always rudely dismissed her advances. Post-marriage, his dismissals became more soft and subtle (though I’d have liked him to behave differently in the ‘soup scene’ after fish-allergy, oh, well!), but always putting forth and emphasizing Meerab’s place in his life. This, I assume, stemmed from him realizing his feelings for his wife, in his pov, he could empathize Haya for her unrequited feelings – he is gravely mistaken, there is no match for her obsession! For him, Haya is his responsibility, a part of his family, that is all! His emotions are sorted and there is no confusion in his mind, hence it cannot be any sort of issue in his relationship with his wife – he constantly has shown and emphasised his wife’s position in his life, he has declared his love for his wife, etc., so according to him, Haya has no place between them, no importance in shaping their dynamics (Also, according to KMK, Rohail is a different scenario. It needs a separate discussion. So, let’s not bring him to the equation here.). TBH, I do not believe Meerab had any ‘trust’ issues there either – she is possessive, jealous and knew Haya’s obsession over her husband, but she also knows his feelings for her (for Meerab), she trusts him. Look how she walks and takes her position in the table in front of her husband like the queen she is without any hesitation, while Haya is talking to MK in Ep. 39 – she is confident and knows what she is to him. That is why I refuse to believe that whatever that happened between the couple on the Doomsday night, has anything to do directly with neither Haya nor Rohail – they were just thrown in to build up Meerab and Murtasim’s emotional vulnerability leading to the eventual collapse.

Does Murtasim unsee all Haya’s plotting? Firstly, and foremostly, Haya needs to stay in the story till the end, so any punishment before that, will be temporary. Secondly, I do not think it is KMK’s character to get involved in the matters of the house/ family members. It has always been shown as MB’s territory. And by any chance, if Meerab had decided to rise to her ‘Khannum’ position and punish Haya, that’d have been a treat (in my dreams, of course!). So, his threats to throw Haya out of the house, are just that! Unless, KMK develop an alter-personality and decides to shoot Haya point blank, he can do nothing. However, there were certain things that cannot be ignored. After Haya’s gimmick during Naurez’s meeting, KMK seemed calculative and cautious with his approach when he apologized her. It looked contradictory as he had just come out after shouting his wife and here, he was apologizing to the culprit; did he not know that it was her doing? He definitely did, hence was the apology. Haya can stay in her dreamland with his apology, that will help to keep his wife away from MB’s wrath. And was he so stupid and ignorant to dismiss Haya’s strategic planning to demean Meerab through Maryam’s elopement? No, he wasn’t. He was dealing with his wife’s betrayal – not the one Haya suggested, but the one transpired between the couple. Before the ‘Zeher lag thi ho’ dialogue, when Haya started rambling, you can see the change in his expressions – Starting with a ‘seriously! You are pareshaan! You gotta be kidding me!’ look to a bit of melancholy when Maryam’s name was mentioned to a blank ‘implausible’ look – and then calling her ‘poison’. It was said with such hidden malice, the slight hiss in the tone, the unflinching look, calmness of his demeanour and the wait till the words sink (without rushing away), increase the impact of those three words in thousand folds and it cannot get any more humiliating than that. But of course, Haya Madam has no self-respect! And regarding addressing what Haya did on the day of Maryam’s Rukhsati night, honestly, as I mentioned earlier, till these two resolve their own issues, it will serve no purpose. There should be no space for a third person in a relationship, and if these two sort out their own inner personal demons, neither Haya nor Rohail would make any difference in their relationship’s dynamics.

Finally, we are almost reaching the end of my very, very long rant! Let’s put the foot in the mouth! Murtasim Khan has just realized that his ‘mohabbat’ for his wife is actually turned into ‘ishq’, not to mention his repeated declarations on Meerab being his wife till the ‘qayamat’. He said to his uncle that the ‘hope’ is all he has, that they both should keep the hope alive. Most importantly, he has realized that she has gone by her will and if she comes that will also by her will as well – he looked awfully confident while saying that! So, what is he playing at by willingly suggesting marriage to Haya? I believe he has something up his sleeve. If MB coerced him to the marriage, and it get interrupted by some mean, that is understandable – honestly, I thought that is where whole yesterday’s episode and Haya gaslighting MB were heading. But of course, TB belongs to genre of ‘Thriller’, especially, the teasers of Wednesday episodes are exemplary of thrillers! No, I do not believe that he will marry her, but what is he wielding under the deception of marriage?

I have written this in one of my previous posts; for Meerab to fully find her identity, KMK needs to find her. But she will not let him find her without fully finding herself. To solve this paradox, a divine intervention is needed. Figuring out the form of this intervention (in Nooran’s script) would be the uphill battle we fans will have to face till we reach the climax!

P.S.

There are few seemingly inconsequential incidents that happened during the last couple of episodes, that I am unable to shake off. Though I have couple of my own theories, since I vowed to myself that I won’t predict anything for the story written by NM, I am listing them just to ponder!

Bhakthu went with KMK’s greetings to Rohail and the guy is missing since then. Where is he? What ‘secrets’ KMK said that are buried in Bhaktu’s heart?

Farukh, who was charitable enough to take Meerab to his relatives for a shelter and all, insisted that she pays her bus fare at their first encounter, so that the only piece of jewelry (with a recognisable pendant) she had, could be handed over to him.

At Farukh’s house, KMK found Meerab’s prescription (obviously the doctor forgot to write the patient’s name, but KMK is smart. He figured it is of a pregnant lady!).

From where will Farukh find the money needed for Meerab’s medical care? Pawn/ sell the chain with the diamond pendant or his rikshaw?

Thank you sooo much for writing this ❤️

As I noted in the other thread - MK might find the chain and assume Meerub is dead and therefore loses hope and offers to marry Haya.

We all started to watch the show thinking this was a love story between to Alpha characters but ended up with suspense/mystery/thriller/etc drama.😂

I will go back to saying our wannabe J.K. Rowling wants to keep us in suspense (horcruxes) and will clear everything in the last few episodes. Here’s the list of horcruxes we are waiting for.
1. Why is MK so sure about Rohail - I think Rohail called MK and said Meerub loves me that’s why she has the contract and is resisting you. Maybe he sent some texts to Meerub as well trying to convince her leave MK that’s why MK says majboor Kiya gaya.

2. MR or not - by Meerub’s dialogues recently we know it is not and maybe they will clear in flashback - Maza Ayega😂

3. Why did MK say he will marry Haya - I thought SB will sell his auto or chain for Meerub’s delivery but pretty sure it will be the chain. MK will come across it and will assume she died therefore losing hope and giving ring to Haya.

4. Why does Haya get a free pass, Haya backstory - I am reaching here but going off of Yumna’s interview where she said everyone has a backstory. We didn’t think we would hear about MK’s chahat but we did so maybe we get something here.

5. Not suspense but need closure on MZ. There was a BTS picture where Maryam sees Malik Mukhtar so maybe something to come.

6…

7…
I can’t remember or think of 2 more to make it 7 horcruxes so if anyone wants to add please do

Originally posted by: JaneAustin

Agree I wish they didn’t have a baby involved. Yes Meerab needed this time away from Murtasim but as soon as she found out she was pregnant I wish she returned home.

The Meerab I thought I knew was angry with everyone because the truth of her birth was hidden from her. She never knew her real father and she was angry at her foster parents for knowingly hiding this. Yet she is doing the same to her child with Murtasim. The longer she leaves him with this secret, the more it begins eating away at her conscience.
She has become “meri marzi” Meerab, but not in the strong fighting manner she used to be. She has chosen to be away from her husband and family thinking it will bring back her strong independent self but in seeking answers to her life she seems to have lost her identity even more.
She needs him just as much as he needs her. She even seems to miss him and the flashbacks show us this. But above all she needs to be in control of her life and so she chooses to stay hidden.

You are right! Meerab is doing what Anwar did ironically. She is keeping her daughter away from her real father.

Seems like I am unable to keep my mind out of TB-verse for more than a day. I just remembered few more ‘seemingly inconsequential’, yet unresolved incidents. I am not even sure they have any importance, but just putting them here.

Muratasim’s missing night in Ep. 37 – as per his beloved biwi, Murtasim Khan was out of home for the whole night. He walked in (in all his glory!), only in the morning. The reason for him not coming home in the night was never revealed (it was completely overshadowed by the very sensuous ‘shhh’ scene!). Though it was staged as related to their subsequent escapade, to make Meerab suspicious on his whereabouts, this ‘missing night’ cannot be anything related to him helping that widowed woman and her children. And his ‘khaas’ Bakhthu didn’t know about it either – apparently, his Maalik keeps somethings to himself!

In Ep.36, after Meerab and Anwar’s interactions, there was a discussion happened between MK and Anwar as well. After Anwar said, ‘I wanted to say something to you’, his dialogues were muted with background music and camera was mainly focused on MK’s face. The first part of that discussion was about Meerab’s Law School admission – the soft music and MK’s facial expressions are the giveaway. But there was something else as well. The later part of that muted discussion had a different vibe and MK’s expression changed too. My assumption was that it probably has something to do with the impending family resistance on Meerab studying law, but it neither came to that nor MK ever mentioned anything of that sort during their ‘coffee date night’.

One more thing that keeps nagging me.

I have never figured out what MK meant when he said ‘Iss liye hamesha mere saamne aane par ghayab ho jaa tha hain’ in Ep. 32 when they were discussing 'jaan dena' in love. The romantic in me wanted to believe that it meant that Rohail’s claim of love fades away in front of MK’s love (Or better, it meant that his wife’s focus was solely on him, not on Rohail when the two men were in front of her!). But neither seems like the correct interpretation.

Hopefully, the repeated declarations on taking Rohail’s life are not foreshadowing. In my opinion, MK’s assumption of Rohail’s involvement in Meerub’s disappearance, basically does not stem from infidelity, rather he is unable to process the reason for her leaving – his ego as a husband is crushed with the understanding that his wife may have felt unprotected with him, hence the leaving, as it might be his fault and he failed to protect her in their marriage. So, he is putting the blame on the seemingly easiest target, Rohail – a disastrous move. The repercussions of this are going to hit MK so bad and put him through a never ending agony.

Reposting my analysis of a few possible scenarios for MK proposing to marry H.

1. MK being the worst lead ever by genuinely proposing, after his 'umeed' is dead, empathising with H's 'love'

Points in favour

- never used his brain throughout the show, so consistent in character

- soft corner for H since Haya is ghar ki izzat, so wouldn't do a public engagement just for kicks

- Public engagement means he has to go through it

- He is giving his word with the engagement

- Maybe he did lose umeed. Meerab died. He did promise her the ring. Our earlier analysis could be wrong and he could have promised himself too.

- We're getting a whole epi dedicated to Haya-MK on Wednesday, which is to set up why/how he will soften towards her

- The leap could be a factor to soften MK towards H

- MK has always been shown to soften towards Haya over time, forgiving her

- Leads have always only reacted to situations, so consistent writing and characters

- They've been showing Haya acting good during the separation, gaining audience's sympathy perhaps? To justify MK marrying her.

- The narrative seems to be pushing the audience to feel for MK. And the makers think Meerab needs to be punished.

- There actually was no trust/respect between the leads

- The writer is doing it for shock value with no concern for the leads.

- TRP audience don't care about such things, and here MK isn't even going to marry

- According to the writer, mohabbat mein sab maaf hai

Points not in favour

- A full epi of MK's ishq talk

- Acc to MK, ishq is always alive

- Anwar never considered another woman. Is he a more loyal man than the ML who claims to be in ishq?

- Anyone wanting to marry a person like Haya, despite knowing about her crimes, has got to be insane

- Why would M return to him when he is validating her insecurities by doing exactly what she feared.

2. MK's revenge against Meerab

Points in favour

- Rohail has told him about the contract and that M didn't allow his advances due to Ro

- MK is feeling betrayed because M abandoned him, and wants her to feel the same. He has done it before during Ro's fiasco when asking her to jump, to make her realise how he felt during that time. He was dying every second. He wants to put M through the same.

- OST: Kisi dhoke mein na tu rehnah, Tujhe pal mein bhula dunga...todu guroor

- In line with his character, ego in love and all

- could set up Haya’s redemption where she relieves him of his engagement promise at the end

- This plan has MK's focus on M, not H, which is more in line with his character

- His look in the promo is calculative, especially when he's looking at the ring.

Points not in favour

- Too petty a plan for MK, but he has acted petty earlier

- Ishq mein no hisaab kitaab, according to MK. Then yeh kya?

- How will M know of it? Even if she knows, his goal of wanting her will not be achieved. He'll never get her back if this happens.

- He won't use H (behen jesi) for this revenge, unless he plans to kill two birds with a stone

- He will have to go through the wedding if M doesn't return, which can't be possible if he has proposed only for M's revenge sake. But maybe he is blind in his revenge game.

3. MK's Plan against Haya

Points in favour

- Leads have to grow a brain at some point in the show. If not the end, then when? If he still only reacts to situations, what's the point of the leads? They might as well be plants

- The whole epi of devdas MK and his self-declaration of being in ishq

- All his dialogues throughout the show declaring his commitment to M, and especially declaring how behen jesi Haya is

- Qayamat tak dhoondunga and qayamat tak yeh, qayamat tak woh!

- There's no way M will return if he hasn't been loyal to her. She will accept no less than ishq, and he will have to prove it to her. Otherwise, no way a self-respecting, proud, possessive woman like Meerab would ever return to him.

- It is the best possible scenario that aligns with MK and Mee's character: if there is to be a reunion between these two.

- No sane person would want to marry Haya. Granted MK hasn't been acting sane ever since M left him, but a person would have to be blind and an amnesiac to WANT to marry H. He knows of most of her crimes.

- He knows Haya never changes, because HE had given her those many chances and she never changed. Haya's biggest fault was taking his mercy and forgiveness for granted. She acts straight until he acts normal with her again, and then pounces as a villain again.

That pattern must have been for a reason.

- MK knows H knew MZ. MK knows about the video. MK knows about Naurez situation as well most likely. MK will know about other crimes according to NM's convenience.

- He did warn her in the scene where he promises her the ring. So, he probably figures out something.

- How did he lose umeed suddenly right after claiming to be in ishq?

- No one, no one coerced him to marry H.

- Haya is one such rare villains whose crimes have been in the open throughout the show, and leads have done nothing against her.

Why were these crimes in the open, when the writer could have very easily kept them hidden and saved the leads' characters by keeping them hidden?

- His look in the promo is calculative, especially when he's looking at the ring.

- He has a slight eye roll when talking to Haya in the night scene in the promo. And the dining scene, he looks calculative again, and then tired of her nagging and following around.

- Could be plot point for saving Meerab partially. She could contact to let him know about the baby and realise he hasn't been faithful, so she'd go into permanent hiding.

- What triggers this plan suddenly? Maybe he connects the dots? Learns a few more crimes of H?

- NM loves MK too much.

She didn't let Meerab contact Rohail throughout the separation, not even when at that guest house when M could have very easily called him for help. She maintained Meerab's loyalty. Meerab is usually the one she pushes under the bus to elevate MK. No way she maintains M's loyalty and ruins MK's.

Points not in favour

- It's a PUBLIC engagement!! Makes no sense!! It's his khandan's izzat.

- It humiliates Meerab. Meerab also humiliated him by leaving, so creatives would think it's okay. 2 wrongs don't make it right though.

- NM is the writer. Makers don't think too much about an engagement. There are no boundaries in the story when it comes to creating DRAMA! And leads marrying another is a fav trope in many shows, but those leads are generally forced into those marriages, unlike our MK here who volunteered.

- Don't understand the whole engagement period if it's revenge against H. Shouldn't it be direct attack?

- MK has been dumb throughout the show. Could remain the same until the end.

- Mohabbat mein sab Maaf hai, according to the writer!

Hopefully, they give our leads a win, through the leads actions!

Haya-MK engagement: Red herrings and Validations

Makers have taken the "cinema is a visual experience" and "art and perception" too seriously, so seriously that they have not given us enough dialogues to validate our analyses of the characters. And the perspectives we have are on extremes.

But there have been a few instances when our analyses have been validated to the T. In recent times, it was MK saying exactly what we felt when M disappeared. He described M just as we understood her always. And also M's battle of the heart and mind as we predicted.

So, while there has been a drought of useful dialogues in the last few episodes, the few dialogues we did get have been reflective of MM's thoughts.

But before we delve into this, we need to remember 2 things:

A. The director asked us to focus on the body language and note the contrast between dialogues and body language.

B. MM cannot be understood from other characters' perspectives, especially Haya's. Other characters are here to mislead the audience.

Besides, Haya is a pathological liar, and it has been established through her actions consistently and validated by her own dialogue. Case in point, when she's on call with Naurez and says: Main toh kabhi jhoot nahi bolti.

Now, about Haya-MK engagement, we have to take into account only MK's dialogues and actions.

1. The night after Waqas's funeral: MK suggested Haya had a hand in Meerab's disappearance.

No couple can be broken by a third person. MM's own flaws have broken them here. But I have a feeling makers are going to blame this on H as well. She is going to be the external trigger.

But why Haya? Possibly because:

Haya instigated M to leave: that deleted H-M clip

MK doesn’t know about black magic. And Bengali baji said: I’ll put things behind her (M), she’ll get scared and run away. She won’t recognise herself nor will MK.

Is the writer going to blanket the identity crisis with black magic plot line? On the flip side, this will trivialise the whole identity crisis plot.

Black magic is not something that the makers can play with. It needs to be addressed. But this is the same team that didn't consider MR to be a crime.

But the bottomline is that, by MK's dialogue, we know that H is going to be held accountable for M's disappearance. It's only a matter of time until MK finds out whatever it is that H did.

2. MK and Ishq: MK is sure about his ishq. There is going to be no hisaab-kitaab. Ishq is always alive.

So, why his sudden betrayal to his ishq?

Meerab dies and he moves one? Ishq doesn't allow it

Meerab is alive, but he doubts her, or perhaps he seeks revenge? Ishq doesn't allow it

3. Not all of H's crimes have been out in the open for MK.

Crimes he is aware of:

- Pushing Meerab down the stairs

- Filling his ears about his wife

- Lying to make herself feel like his partner: gajra, cooking, laundry, etc.

- Stealing in desperate attempts: contract, ring

Crimes he isn't aware of are the worst:

- Black magic against Meerab: 1) To kill her 2) To separate her from MK

Was BM a red herring for MK's rash driving and hiding MZ's identity with the jinn bhoot talks? Or was it the other way around?

- Haya allowing Mariam to go with an assaulter

Why include an exchange between MK and Haya in the script (drive to college) to ensure MK knows Haya has seen MZ?

- Haya manipulating Maryam-Naurez wedding to happen

MK knowing this will be a strong reason to propose to Haya, to prevent her from pulling any other trick to escape marriage.

MB knows this. Notice her body language when Naurez talks about someone lying to him about Maryam's love for him.

4. MK has always forgiven Haya over time. But he never forgets.

Case in point: "Zeher lag rahi ho" "Why does this make you sad/distressed?".

Haya was pretty much staying clear of his path throughout Naurez-MZ-Maryam track. She never did any behaya actions either. Then, when she fills his ears against Meerab, when Meerab was at fault, he rightly pointed out why it distressed her, and then closed the exchange with zeher lag rahi ho.

Time and again, he forgave Haya. With time, he even starts to act normal with her. He gives her a chance to be a better person. Why?

He is a good person, according to the narrative. And HE is the one she loves; there is guilt involved.

Also, when Haya is finally exposed/punished, this will clear MK of his guilt. And also because he is the object of her love.

Haya always took advantage of his forgiving nature.

A clever person need not be told the same thing again. They learn from their mistakes. But MK has committed the same mistake more than once. So, if he is as shrewd as the narrative claims him to be, he cannot repeat his mistake. A shrewd feudal lord cannot fall for an 18-20 year old's traps and tricks in the last leg of the show. He needs to be the planner, the one who strategises.

5. Dinner date, M says: If you stop giving her chances, she will move away on her own.

Makers don't focus on Meerab's emotions. According to the director, Meerab is the wrong one. This is in line with the show, because when MK was at fault when allowing Haya's advances, his flaws were not highlighted.

However, this one line by Meerab sticks out. MK doesn't want Haya to be behind him, but by being nice to her, he unintentionally encourages her to the point where she dares to cross the line.

MK allowed the gajra incident>gao incident

MK offered to take her shopping and commented on her choice>hug

He is a powerful feudal lord. It shouldn't be difficult for him put away an 18-20 year old in his own house. So, he needs to redeem himself for all his mistakes he did in his 'niceness'.

6. MK consistently refusing every possible romantic inclination towards H

Even if it wasn't you, marriage to H was never possible.

She is like Maryam to me.

7. Precap: MK when holding the ring. Not the body language of a person who has given up.

We are at the show's climax. It's time for the leads to ACT and not react. It's time for them to connect the dots. It's time for the show to close all the plot lines.

We have no idea about the plan or the story ahead, but these dialogues are here for a reason. How these dialogues play out, we'll have to wait and watch.

The last time I tried to predict the best case scenario, NM gave me a HORROR reality check. I'm scared now.😳

So I have tried my best not to predict anything in the post above (I hope I haven't😵) but these are just a few things worth noting IMO. 😆

Originally posted by: altr

Haya-MK engagement: Red herrings and Validations

Makers have taken the "cinema is a visual experience" and "art and perception" too seriously, so seriously that they have not given us enough dialogues to validate our analyses of the characters. And the perspectives we have are on extremes.

But there have been a few instances when our analyses have been validated to the T. In recent times, it was MK saying exactly what we felt when M disappeared. He described M just as we understood her always. And also M's battle of the heart and mind as we predicted.

So, while there has been a drought of useful dialogues in the last few episodes, the few dialogues we did get have been reflective of MM's thoughts.

But before we delve into this, we need to remember 2 things:

A. The director asked us to focus on the body language and note the contrast between dialogues and body language.

B. MM cannot be understood from other characters' perspectives, especially Haya's. Other characters are here to mislead the audience.

Besides, Haya is a pathological liar, and it has been established through her actions consistently and validated by her own dialogue. Case in point, when she's on call with Naurez and says: Main toh kabhi jhoot nahi bolti.

Now, about Haya-MK engagement, we have to take into account only MK's dialogues and actions.

1. The night after Waqas's funeral: MK suggested Haya had a hand in Meerab's disappearance.

No couple can be broken by a third person. MM's own flaws have broken them here. But I have a feeling makers are going to blame this on H as well. She is going to be the external trigger.

But why Haya? Possibly because:

Haya instigated M to leave: that deleted H-M clip

MK doesn’t know about black magic. And Bengali baji said: I’ll put things behind her (M), she’ll get scared and run away. She won’t recognise herself nor will MK.

Is the writer going to blanket the identity crisis with black magic plot line? On the flip side, this will trivialise the whole identity crisis plot.

Black magic is not something that the makers can play with. It needs to be addressed. But this is the same team that didn't consider MR to be a crime.

But the bottomline is that, by MK's dialogue, we know that H is going to be held accountable for M's disappearance. It's only a matter of time until MK finds out whatever it is that H did.

2. MK and Ishq: MK is sure about his ishq. There is going to be no hisaab-kitaab. Ishq is always alive.

So, why his sudden betrayal to his ishq?

Meerab dies and he moves one? Ishq doesn't allow it

Meerab is alive, but he doubts her, or perhaps he seeks revenge? Ishq doesn't allow it

3. Not all of H's crimes have been out in the open for MK.

Crimes he is aware of:

- Pushing Meerab down the stairs

- Filling his ears about his wife

- Lying to make herself feel like his partner: gajra, cooking, laundry, etc.

- Stealing in desperate attempts: contract, ring

Crimes he isn't aware of are the worst:

- Black magic against Meerab: 1) To kill her 2) To separate her from MK

Was BM a red herring for MK's rash driving and hiding MZ's identity with the jinn bhoot talks? Or was it the other way around?

- Haya allowing Mariam to go with an assaulter

Why include an exchange between MK and Haya in the script (drive to college) to ensure MK knows Haya has seen MZ?

- Haya manipulating Maryam-Naurez wedding to happen

MK knowing this will be a strong reason to propose to Haya, to prevent her from pulling any other trick to escape marriage.

MB knows this. Notice her body language when Naurez talks about someone lying to him about Maryam's love for him.

4. MK has always forgiven Haya over time. But he never forgets.

Case in point: "Zeher lag rahi ho" "Why does this make you sad/distressed?".

Haya was pretty much staying clear of his path throughout Naurez-MZ-Maryam track. She never did any behaya actions either. Then, when she fills his ears against Meerab, when Meerab was at fault, he rightly pointed out why it distressed her, and then closed the exchange with zeher lag rahi ho.

Time and again, he forgave Haya. With time, he even starts to act normal with her. He gives her a chance to be a better person. Why?

He is a good person, according to the narrative. And HE is the one she loves; there is guilt involved.

Also, when Haya is finally exposed/punished, this will clear MK of his guilt. And also because he is the object of her love.

Haya always took advantage of his forgiving nature.

A clever person need not be told the same thing again. They learn from their mistakes. But MK has committed the same mistake more than once. So, if he is as shrewd as the narrative claims him to be, he cannot repeat his mistake. A shrewd feudal lord cannot fall for an 18-20 year old's traps and tricks in the last leg of the show. He needs to be the planner, the one who strategises.

5. Dinner date, M says: If you stop giving her chances, she will move away on her own.

Makers don't focus on Meerab's emotions. According to the director, Meerab is the wrong one. This is in line with the show, because when MK was at fault when allowing Haya's advances, his flaws were not highlighted.

However, this one line by Meerab sticks out. MK doesn't want Haya to be behind him, but by being nice to her, he unintentionally encourages her to the point where she dares to cross the line.

MK allowed the gajra incident>gao incident

MK offered to take her shopping and commented on her choice>hug

He is a powerful feudal lord. It shouldn't be difficult for him put away an 18-20 year old in his own house. So, he needs to redeem himself for all his mistakes he did in his 'niceness'.

6. MK consistently refusing every possible romantic inclination towards H

Even if it wasn't you, marriage to H was never possible.

She is like Maryam to me.

7. Precap: MK when holding the ring. Not the body language of a person who has given up.

We are at the show's climax. It's time for the leads to ACT and not react. It's time for them to connect the dots. It's time for the show to close all the plot lines.

We have no idea about the plan or the story ahead, but these dialogues are here for a reason. How these dialogues play out, we'll have to wait and watch.

Your post gave me sukoon ❤️

Haya must be held accountable and mk’s ishq dialogue and qayamath tak must mean something.. they wont make a mockery of that!!!

This engagement makes no sense.. so like you said, lets wait and watch what happens!!!