Dilemma and clarity - Page 2

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Nice post :)

That is exactly the role reversal the makers are going for with this track. When the ONS happened between Katha and Viaan - an offer made, accepted and followed through on....ironically it unraveled Viaan much more than Katha at that time. He was filled with torment and confusion constantly having one sided conversations in his head, "Kaun ho tum, Katha"? cuz he couldn't reconcile the Katha he felt he knew with the Katha he felt betrayed by for agreeing to the offer he made. Today, Katha is in that place that he was.....constantly churning with that thought in her head ki "Kaun hain aap"?....because she is unable to reconcile the Viaan she felt she was getting to know off late especially with the Lonavla trip to the Viaan who is now being accused of the very worst that is antithetical to the version she was getting to know.

Yes, the underlying irony remains that Katha has reason to feel conflicted cuz she has personal experience with Viaan making such an offer to her.....but ultimately this is all about tackling prejudice and the truth being more complicated and something beyond what we can imagine sometimes. Viaan was prejudiced against women because of his childhood trauma related to his father and that became the reason for him making this huge mistake/error of judgement in Katha's case. Similarly, Katha now has reason to be prejudiced against Viaan because of her own experience with him....but the truth this time is beyond what appear to be surface similarities. Viaan made that mistake when he judged Katha for asking for that huge amount of money without clarifying why she wanted it.....and now Katha may end up making a similar mistake in judging Viaan based on the surface appearance of the situation in front of her.

The makers are not shying away from tackling the central premise for the angst/conflict between Katha-Viaan....that ONS is not something to be whitewashed and forgotten in the story....yes, Viaan has realized his mistake and is trying to atone, he is genuinely/sincerely sorry....but Katha has still not processed that night beyond what she did as a desperate mother. She cannot really SEE Viaan as a person until she reconciles with that night....and to do that, she has to get a fuller picture of the Viaan from that night in the hotel room...at the bare minimum, she needs to understand that he is not a man who will proposition any woman simply because of his prejudices about gold-diggers. What happened that night was an outlier and there are many more layers to it than thinking this was a man drunk on power trying to buy any woman he wants.

Originally posted by: smriti81

And what I really like is the larger question this whole track is highlighting...If you have done something terrible in the past, but having realised your mistake & admitted how wrong you were... have been seeking forgiveness from the one you wronged, and steeped in guilt are trying your best to redeem yourself by bringing in a sea change in your attitude/behaviour by undoing the wrong beliefs that led you down that path...are you still deserving of punishment for your misdeed? In fact Viaan rehired Shamita because of these changed beliefs. Just the way Katha gave him a second chance he felt that he should give Shamita a second chance because people make mistakes and we should not hold them to those mistakes for the rest of their lives. If you are truly repentant do you not deserve a second chance?

On the other hand its also ironical and heart breaking from Katha's POV, when everyone around is vouching for Viaan's character, including Dodo who barely knows him, because they have only seen the good side of Viaan. I think Viaan is right when he says 'Jo maine kiya hai uski sazaa mujhe zaroor milegi' with absolute calmness...it will eventually happen...casue karma is a b**** and no matter how repentant he is now he cannot undo the past, it will come to bite him one day! It may happen at a later date when Jitu Bhai, Dodo, Teji, Ehsan and others who have absolute confidence in his goodness, will come to know about the ONS. Let's see how they deal with it at that stage. But for now am pretty sure he will be proven innocent cause like he said 'Jo maine kiya hi nahin uski sazaa mujhe kyun mile'. But in the process Katha's feelings for him will get stirred...cause her doubts around his character will be laid to rest once and for all...or not. Will she ever learn to trust him truly ?? Looking forward to how they depict that.

I loved the Katha- Viaan scene in the last episode esp what Viaan said to Katha about their past ...he told her that in the eyes of God I know I am guilty and cannot offer any explanations but as for the current scenario...ask me whatever you want to...I will answer every question you want me to. I do feel the sneak peak where Katha questions him about the past is pbbly his or her dream. Cause it would be a low blow from Katha knowing as she does that he is truly repentant for that, and I don't think she wants to put him on a spot just for the sake of making him feel guilty, cause she too had moved past that night in some way.

I liked the Viaan Aarav scene...there is something very pure and unadulterated in that bond...there was some foreshadowing there...when the ONS truth comes out Aarav will be the only one in Viaan's corner. I don't know how the makers will handle it though.

I liked how Viaan's body language is completely changed in yesterday's episode...he was confident in his innocence and that is what he was carrying in his attitude initially. But after realising that Katha has doubts on his character again, somthing inside him broke again...the weight of the guilt he was carrying on his shoulders for weeks after he realised his mistake had been lifted off after the Lonavala trip when he realised that Katha had understood him and kind of moved beyond that night. But now the weight of it is back in full force...he loves her and she doubts him, he wills her to believe his truth but she is full of confusion and that breaks his heart.

Hmm...enough for now...I think I have compensated for the silence in the forum🤣.

Loved your analysis :) Especially the bits in bold.

Karma is finding ways to punish Viaan in a twisted way by putting him through this false accusation since Katha refused to hold him accountable for the actual incident where he made the mistake. She was busy dealing with much bigger issues in her life at that time with Aarav's treatment and really didn't think holding Viaan accountable was worth the time/effort.....lol. Viaan had welcomed her punishment then also but she didn't choose the formal route....so now Karma is putting him through this twisted parallel version with a similar accusation.

Viaan wanted Katha to get her justice back then, also to alleviate his own guilty conscience because he felt so shattered after learning the truth....but Katha chose to go a totally different route and told him to live with his torment as his punishment....later on she decided that to atone, he will have to demonstrate it through his actions - which he did and ultimately she started softening towards him. But now ultimately things have come to a stage where Katha is in the strange situation of deciding Viaan's punishment for something she refused to punish him directly for earlier...

Viaan has said to her a few times that he is more than that kaali raat....this current situation is a test of exactly that - for Katha to see that that dark night is not the sum of him, that that incident is not the norm of his life. Unless she is directly confronted with this situation, Katha would have compartmentalized it and not addressed it head on....now she is being compelled to address this question head on that was that dark night an outlier in Viaan's life or is that the norm of his life.

Whenever the ONS truth comes out publicly, sadly I do feel Katha will be judged more for accepting the offer. Viaan's reputation will also suffer but Katha will sadly be slandered too I feel. Remains to be seen what stage their relationship will be at that point and how the writers tackle the situation then.

All Viaan really yearns for is to be SEEN by Katha.....it absolutely guts him to see doubt in Katha's eyes for him.....that is why his moment of realizing his love for her is connected to seeing warmth in her eyes towards him....he is just so overwhelmed by feeling SEEN by Katha, her acknowledgement, her talking to him makes him feel like he matters.

Originally posted by: smriti81

I love the way you have put it…this is exactly why this whole journey is crucial for Katha to move into a space where she will be able to truly see Viaan for who he is and process her feelings more clearly.

Thank you :) Yes, I do feel that is what the makers are aiming for. Viaan had a dialogue about this in his scene with Aarav yesterday too where he said that that maybe she should get to know him better before they go out for dinner.....lol

Basically if they had gone out for that "therapy session"/date whatever together, they may have had a nice evening together but the underlying issues would have festered maybe in a worse way and come out in a worse manner later down the road. Katha would have felt more betrayed and confused if she had faced this doubt further down the road. Simply compartmentalizing or forgetting about that night is just a form of escapism from Katha. Viaan has never shied away from discussing that night or trying to explain his side of it....Katha is the one who has avoided it more and understandably so given how raw and traumatic so much was for at that time.

Thing is, to know Viaan, Katha has to go through the difficult path of processing that night....she cannot do that without that....she has to face that night, no matter how dark it is to understand that it wasn't the sum of Viaan. It was an outlier for him just like it was an outlier for her.

Originally posted by: Pr1yanka

totally…n I love that they make viasn say always that I’ll face the consequences of my wrong actions…he doesn’t till date say that I’ve apologized so much why are you still not ok…that is what I love…he is genuinely atoning as he should

Yes, Viaan has shown amazing grace in facing the consequences of what he did....he hasn't shied away from accepting what he did and wanting to atone sincerely. He isn't acting entitled to anything....yes, the mistake he made is huge but this isn't a case of some evil person overnight trying to redeem himself. Viaan was always a good person who made a horrible mistake in a moment of twisted prejudice and confusion....he is trying to atone for that one mistake - this isn't a case of redemption of a whole personality because he hasn't spent his whole life doing horrible things. He is a good person weighed down by the one huge mistake he made in his life.

Awesome posts, Smriti & Areyaar. I enjoyed reading yoir analysis and agree with most points. I am enjoying this track & dont mind the pace coz I think this thought-provoking track needs time so that the audience also gets a sense of going thru the dilemmas & emotional upheavals.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Loved your analysis :) Especially the bits in bold.

Karma is finding ways to punish Viaan in a twisted way by putting him through this false accusation since Katha refused to hold him accountable for the actual incident where he made the mistake. She was busy dealing with much bigger issues in her life at that time with Aarav's treatment and really didn't think holding Viaan accountable was worth the time/effort.....lol. Viaan had welcomed her punishment then also but she didn't choose the formal route....so now Karma is putting him through this twisted parallel version with a similar accusation.

Viaan wanted Katha to get her justice back then, also to alleviate his own guilty conscience because he felt so shattered after learning the truth....but Katha chose to go a totally different route and told him to live with his torment as his punishment....later on she decided that to atone, he will have to demonstrate it through his actions - which he did and ultimately she started softening towards him. But now ultimately things have come to a stage where Katha is in the strange situation of deciding Viaan's punishment for something she refused to punish him directly for earlier...

Exactly...Katha wanted to put that night behind her by blocking the memory completely. One of her conditions to rejoin was that they would never discuss or bring up that night again. But that is like appying bandaid to a deep wound and expecting it to heal. This current situation is forcing her to open that wound which would otherwise keep festering deep inside and any relationship she would have developed with Viaan...friendship or anything deeper would have had a weak foundation and on a superficial level only. This is an opportunity to really heal from that trauma.

Viaan has said to her a few times that he is more than that kaali raat....this current situation is a test of exactly that - for Katha to see that that dark night is not the sum of him, that that incident is not the norm of his life. Unless she is directly confronted with this situation, Katha would have compartmentalized it and not addressed it head on....now she is being compelled to address this question head on that was that dark night an outlier in Viaan's life or is that the norm of his life.

Whenever the ONS truth comes out publicly, sadly I do feel Katha will be judged more for accepting the offer. Viaan's reputation will also suffer but Katha will sadly be slandered too I feel. Remains to be seen what stage their relationship will be at that point and how the writers tackle the situation then.

Yes... that will be very hard to watch. Both Katha and Viaan will face a lot of judgement and slander...For Viaan the consequences will be more on the professional front but for Katha it will be far more personal and all her close relationships will be tested at that point. Remains to be seen...

All Viaan really yearns for is to be SEEN by Katha.....it absolutely guts him to see doubt in Katha's eyes for him.....that is why his moment of realizing his love for her is connected to seeing warmth in her eyes towards him....he is just so overwhelmed by feeling SEEN by Katha, her acknowledgement, her talking to him makes him feel like he matters.

That is why his love realisation was so deeply touching and moving...Katha defines love for him...she has become the reason of his existence

Loved the discussion with you today..come around more often :)

Originally posted by: Bana

Awesome posts, Smriti & Areyaar. I enjoyed reading yoir analysis and agree with most points. I am enjoying this track & dont mind the pace coz I think this thought-provoking track needs time so that the audience also gets a sense of going thru the dilemmas & emotional upheavals.

Thanks, Bana :)

I don't mind the pace either because you said, there is usually something thought provoking in every epi with the way they take their time walking the audience through all the emotions, conflicts between the various characters. It is rare these days on ITV for a show to do that since most of them are rushing from gimmick to gimmick usually.

Originally posted by: Bana

Awesome posts, Smriti & Areyaar. I enjoyed reading yoir analysis and agree with most points. I am enjoying this track & dont mind the pace coz I think this thought-provoking track needs time so that the audience also gets a sense of going thru the dilemmas & emotional upheavals.

Thanks...I started watching the show in February. The first scene I came across was Viann's barefoot apology to Katha outside her house and that scene got me hooked. Binged on it ... fffrwd most of the Grewal and some of the hospital scenes. I am fine with the pace because I feel they try to balance the scenes. This is the only show I am watching on TV and loving it...am ok with the pace since this story does needs thehrav:)

Originally posted by: smriti81

Loved the discussion with you today..come around more often :)

Same here, Smriti :) Enjoyed discussing with you today :) I feel like we may have chatted way back in some forum too - for some reason your UN seems familiar....lol

I've been avoiding forums off late cuz most people tend to devolve discussions by looking at things with a reductionist lens....especially if the basic premise of any story is controversial as is the case here as well. It becomes hard to view a story for what it is rather than the demands people keep imposing on it to check off some token boxes. I'm enjoying this show for approaching the story as a journey for the characters with many layers rather than doing gimmicks.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Same here, Smriti :) Enjoyed discussing with you today :) I feel like we may have chatted way back in some forum too - for some reason your UN seems familiar....lol

I've been avoiding forums off late cuz most people tend to devolve discussions by looking at things with a reductionist lens....especially if the basic premise of any story is controversial as is the case here as well. It becomes hard to view a story for what it is rather than the demands people keep imposing on it to check off some token boxes. I'm enjoying this show for approaching the story as a journey for the characters with many layers rather than doing gimmicks.

You know I was going to ask you the same thing:) I am pretty sure we have interacted in some forum long ago...I have only watched a handful of shows in the last decade so it was quite some time back I guess.

But yeah. I am truly enjoying the show and I love the actors...it a beautifully complex story with characters who are human and relatable and the premise makes it all the more intriguing. I started visiting the forum only about a month or so back looking for some stimulating discussion but not too many people in this forum seem to be enjoying the show:)