TERE BIN -Yumna Zaidi-Wahaj Ali DT#5 (Geo) "Mere Saath hi Lagalo, DIL" - Page 24

Originally posted by: arshi1983

" I don't agree with just one point that one will win"- Correct. Eventually, 'Love will conquer all' - I was trying to imply this :)

Yeah yeah thats right.

Originally posted by: arshi1983

I dont think the makers are trying to make Meerub look bad or portraying Murtasim as perfection personified here. Infact, they are very well written grey characters and credit to both the actors for dishing out such nuanced performances, Wahaj in particular. Its beacuse of these grey shades, people are questioning certain elements and narratives and that where the maker's hit the bull's eye!

The setting of a story is very important,as it not only helps to clarify the theme it also helps us understand a character's worldview through how they think about their surroundings. I as a viewer cant expect Meerab to behave like me and then criticize her for being the way she is (reckless , dumb at times BUT she is not WRONG) or neither can I expect Murtasim to behave like a normal bloke(like this cute n sweet Salman in Kuch ankahi).Is he a TOXIC guy? No but he is no saint either.

Murtasim- Though the infamous SLAP seems out of character but coming to think of it its not all that 'out of character'. When Meerab starts spewing venom and calls him a coward,it provoked a visceral reaction from him. And these viscreal feelings are very instinctive and are not the result of thought! Hence we got to see the instant shame n guilt on his face. The makers here did not try to justify it/normalise it and also did not attempt to change his agression or his control freak nature after this incident, which I apppreciate! This guy is selectively progressive,is nothing like the Maliks but still is part of the status quo-izzat,revenge,panachayat and God knows what not! An emergence of a wife one fine day is not going to change his years of mindset.He is good at heart,far more matured with tough responsibilities! It's not him,it's us who thinks he is the bad guy here and the same goes for Meerab too. We need to cut her some slack.

Meerab- She is the exact opposite of Murtasim! The only reality for her is the ideal world that she was living in at her parent's place all these years.She is idealistic,impractical and a little naive too where like most of us,she believes she can change age old customs in a day. Her actions up until now are all totally justified! Her dreams have been brutally crushed,she's been physically and emotionally abused and she's also been uprooted..let's not forget that! so how do we expect her to behave sanely? She agreed to this marriage to take revenge against this family for the very reason and started redirecting all her anger towards Murtasim.He's been her punching bag from the very beginning!

This is not not Meerab vs Murtasim but a fight against 2 different idealogies. They both have their flaws and their reasons for it are also justified. At the end of it all, there can be only one winner and that's a no-brainer :) BUT am more interested in their journey not the end-result! Marriage,many believe,is a 50-50 realtionship..it sounds good but it doesnt work!Most of the time its either 40/60 or 30/70 but that's ok as long as he realizes that he cant treat Meerab like a Haya or a Mariyam and she also needs to realize that she cant fight her battles alone and its ok to lean on him!

They both are diamterically opposed but will need each other to co-exist,he is the Yin to her Yang! When was the last time we saw such diverse protagonists(with equally brilliant performances) in PTV? I guess that is what is making me forget and forgive all the other caricaturish arcs/performances of the other supporting actors(but I am beginning to like Anwar's character growth though :) )

Like someone rightly said-

They will fall,break,fail BUT THEN

they will eventually rise,heal and overcome !!

@bold Zgh did it more than a decade ago and did it perfectly. I guess thats the last time.

What you said about meerab is true on papers but in execution she is shown in a bad light. She was not wrong for taking out the bullets(she miscalculated everything but her heart was on the right place and she did indirectly saved murty from being a murderer ) and also not wrong for standing up for the maid. The problem is all this action made her look stupid and dumb when she wasn't. Everything is made to be her fault. She is being blamed for things she isn't to be blamed like the accident. She herself is shown to be guilty when it was murtasim's recklessness and anger management issues that caused the accident.

The show is executed in a manner where all the sympathy and love falls into murtasim's lap and meerab comes off as an irritating spoiled brat when she is the only one with a progressive mindset in the entire show.

Everything she does with good intentions ends up with her making a fool out of herself. Everything murtu does make him look like the macho level headed guy.

There is not equality between the leads when on papers these two are supposed to be equals.

Zaroon and kashaf in Zgh were equals in all senses. They both had insecurity and prejudice in life and grew up with different ideologies but ended up accepting each other the way they are and they themselves faught against their insecurities and prejudice. That's not what's happening here.

Originally posted by: columbia

Frankly I am just eye rolling at the director’s whole he is like a Robin Hood and he is going to show us how to balance zar zameen aur whatever… in the end the fact that he says this is a story of a man, then I am sorry we will not get any story arc for the woman or we will get it through the lens of a man.

I will be really honest here….this is no love story of equals. Love story of opposites can still be shown as love story of equals. To be able show us how two opposites can achieve equal status in a relationship needs to have both point of views. We are constantly only culminating with Murtasim’s point of view.

Again, I don’t want to spend too much time analyzing this show, simply because right from the beginning I realized this at least for me isn’t worth intellectualizing. I don’t think the director is crafting deep meaning into their actions or character development. It’s very episodic writing, situational, very masala hero driven, it would be like me trying to intellectually breakdown the movie Race, I want to enjoy Murtasim’s shawl… buss! .

Love story of opposites can still be shown as love story of equals.--- hmm..If wishes were horses, beggars would ride! Showing 2 opposites can achieve equal status in a realtionship would be such an ideal case scenario but alas!

Even in my fav- Pride and Prejudice ,Austen unfortunately does not create a match for Elizabeth who is her equal in terms of characterization. Darcy's character is somehwat undefined and not as carefully crafted as Lizzy! Am a sucker for good performances and Wahaj n Yumna are serving me just fine! So no complaints!

Originally posted by: spnfan

@bold Zgh did it more than a decade ago and did it perfectly. I guess thats the last time.

What you said about meerab is true on papers but in execution she is shown in a bad light. She was not wrong for taking out the bullets(she miscalculated everything but her heart was on the right place and she did indirectly saved murty from being a murderer ) and also not wrong for standing up for the maid. The problem is all this action made her look stupid and dumb when she wasn't. Everything is made to be her fault. She is being blamed for things she isn't to be blamed like the accident. She herself is shown to be guilty when it was murtasim's recklessness and anger management issues that caused the accident.

The show is executed in a manner where all the sympathy and love falls into murtasim's lap and meerab comes off as an irritating spoiled brat when she is the only one with a progressive mindset in the entire show.

Everything she does with good intentions ends up with her making a fool out of herself. Everything murtu does make him look like the macho level headed guy.

There is not equality between the leads when on papers these two are supposed to be equals.

Zaroon and kashaf in Zgh were equals in all senses. They both had insecurity and prejudice in life and grew up with different ideologies but ended up accepting each other the way they are and they themselves faught against their insecurities and prejudice. That's not what's happening here.

We are not even half-way through this story, they've just established the characters until now , their real journey together will begin most likely from the next episode and I plan to be patient to see the growth.

The show is executed in a manner where all the sympathy and love falls into murtasim's lap and meerab comes off as an irritating spoiled brat---Who is seeing her as a brat? Not me , neither her father nor her husband ,its just a certain section in the audience. To each their own! Why do we jump the gun and place the characters on a pedestal before hearing them out completely. I will wait until the end!

Originally posted by: arshi1983

Love story of opposites can still be shown as love story of equals.--- hmm..If wishes were horses, beggars would ride! Showing 2 opposites can achieve equal status in a realtionship would be such an ideal case scenario but alas!

Even in my fav- Pride and Prejudice ,Austen unfortunately does not create a match for Elizabeth who is her equal in terms of characterization. Darcy's character is somehwat undefined and not as carefully crafted as Lizzy! Am a sucker for good performances and Wahaj n Yumna are serving me just fine! So no complaints!

good lord, if I were to compare pride and prejudice with this so called lame Robin Hood story, it would be intellectualization to the point of no return.
A marriage of equals is of course probably an incorrect way to put it and I did take some literary license in using the term, I did mean equality in marriage. And yes, equality in marriage is possible. Not just in books but in real life too,

End of the day, this is tv show which is supposed to sell ideals and fantasy, in fact, there is nothing in this show that is close to any reality, definitely not the life I lead.

Originally posted by: spnfan

Obviously it don't. First she wrote that in a plain paper and then such conditions cannot be kept in a marriage. Then, I don't know how laws work in Pakistan but if i am not wrong without consummation a marriage is not considered to be complete in india. I think i have heard of a judgement passed by the court regarding this some years ago.

We r reacting way too much on small things lol...no need to dissect each and every word of the director and write essays

And if this story indeed is about a man and how he is balancing everything

Then I would say Alhamdulillah for this change on tv

Coz all we saw on Indian and pak tv was men coming from office for too long now

Let the dynamic shift a bit plz

Also in one of the few threads someone here said it's just wahaj one man show....ladki koi BHI hogi toh chalti

Lol....I strongly disagree to that also

I don't think any XYZ ladki wouldn't been able to bring the fire to meerub

Koi bhi Nahin chalti

Originally posted by: Sera-high123

https://twitter.com/Hamzah_Bhuta/status/1629566664839778306?t=dXb2Z0dLQXHu54eTdly_lg&s=19

Unhone kaafi kuch cut kar diya 😡😡

I didn’t feel they cut anything. This is just the actors prepping between shots na…

Originally posted by: arshi1983

I dont think the makers are trying to make Meerub look bad or portraying Murtasim as perfection personified here. Infact, they are very well written grey characters and credit to both the actors for dishing out such nuanced performances, Wahaj in particular. Its beacuse of these grey shades, people are questioning certain elements and narratives and that where the maker's hit the bull's eye!

The setting of a story is very important,as it not only helps to clarify the theme it also helps us understand a character's worldview through how they think about their surroundings. I as a viewer cant expect Meerab to behave like me and then criticize her for being the way she is (reckless , dumb at times BUT she is not WRONG) or neither can I expect Murtasim to behave like a normal bloke(like this cute n sweet Salman in Kuch ankahi).Is he a TOXIC guy? No but he is no saint either.

Murtasim- Though the infamous SLAP seems out of character but coming to think of it its not all that 'out of character'. When Meerab starts spewing venom and calls him a coward,it provoked a visceral reaction from him. And these viscreal feelings are very instinctive and are not the result of thought! Hence we got to see the instant shame n guilt on his face. The makers here did not try to justify it/normalise it and also did not attempt to change his agression or his control freak nature after this incident, which I apppreciate! This guy is selectively progressive,is nothing like the Maliks but still is part of the status quo-izzat,revenge,panachayat and God knows what not! An emergence of a wife one fine day is not going to change his years of mindset.He is good at heart,far more matured with tough responsibilities! It's not him,it's us who thinks he is the bad guy here and the same goes for Meerab too. We need to cut her some slack.

Meerab- She is the exact opposite of Murtasim! The only reality for her is the ideal world that she was living in at her parent's place all these years.She is idealistic,impractical and a little naive too where like most of us,she believes she can change age old customs in a day. Her actions up until now are all totally justified! Her dreams have been brutally crushed,she's been physically and emotionally abused and she's also been uprooted..let's not forget that! so how do we expect her to behave sanely? She agreed to this marriage to take revenge against this family for the very reason and started redirecting all her anger towards Murtasim.He's been her punching bag from the very beginning!

This is not not Meerab vs Murtasim but a fight against 2 different idealogies. They both have their flaws and their reasons for it are also justified. At the end of it all, there can be only one winner and that's a no-brainer :) BUT am more interested in their journey not the end-result! Marriage,many believe,is a 50-50 realtionship..it sounds good but it doesnt work!Most of the time its either 40/60 or 30/70 but that's ok as long as he realizes that he cant treat Meerab like a Haya or a Mariyam and she also needs to realize that she cant fight her battles alone and its ok to lean on him!

They both are diamterically opposed but will need each other to co-exist,he is the Yin to her Yang! When was the last time we saw such diverse protagonists(with equally brilliant performances) in PTV? I guess that is what is making me forget and forgive all the other caricaturish arcs/performances of the other supporting actors(but I am beginning to like Anwar's character growth though :) )

Like someone rightly said-

They will fall,break,fail BUT THEN

they will eventually rise,heal and overcome !!

thanks for pointing out the importance of enjoying the journey of a story than just wanting end result. If we we got everything we wanted by episode 10 then where is the fun. So far I think they have justified the characters motivations. Meerub dialogues are weak compared to murtasim hence she gets the flak, but her actions and heart is in the right place. Murtu can’t communicate effectively and he is old fashioned, communication can be learned but conservative ideologues don’t just suddenly become liberal because he wants to impress his wife. That is their journey how do they find a middle ground.