Virat gaslighting - Page 41

Lovely review Sherry.

And as you rightly said it’s all confusing. From yesterday to today it feels like a puzzle which doesn’t fit. I am stuck with few dialogues and scenes and can’t come to understand them. See if you can help.

P says to V, I care only for your happiness and hence inspite of knowing everything I married you. He retorts saying oh so now you will remind me that I have Vinayak because of you.

The teesri referred both the times by Sai. Once to Pakhi and once to herself.

Had Virat not reached there Sai might have decided to leave, so it’s a technically Virat who stopped Sai.

Also the question is has he heard the entire conversation and if yes then why did he keep on asking P. Was it to fish out things from her?

Also Sai used Virat’s threat to challenge him, which he didn’t take then why give the threat in the first place.

PS: I feel lost 😞

Originally posted by: Moor278

SRK se compare Kiya to V ko nahi par NB ko God complex aa jayega 🤣

P.S. I don't like SRK much 🤪

Neither do I.

Arey Virat ko Bazigaar bola tha, NB ko SRK nahi.

Pehle itne saare complex hain Aur nahi chahiye

Originally posted by: Rosyme

When P was Sam s wife, she used to go behind him always. At that time she had nothing to loose as she went on trying and sneak in at every opportunity.

Now she's his wife so she's scared of loosing the position.

She s not bold like Sai to walk out .

P is in it for the worst, till death will they part!

V will not leave her even if he finds out she schemed to marry him.

He will still blame Sai for leaving with his son, ending up in an accident and "hiding for years"

Awesome review Nirip.❤️

Yes aaj kal ye SaiRat ko color coordinated clothes Dene lage hai. Haash! Fandom ki ichaa 2 saal baad puri ho rahi hai.😂

Originally posted by: Roch

Lovely review Sherry.

And as you rightly said it’s all confusing. From yesterday to today it feels like a puzzle which doesn’t fit. I am stuck with few dialogues and scenes and can’t come to understand them. See if you can help.

P says to V, I care only for your happiness and hence inspite of knowing everything I married you. He retorts saying oh so now you will remind me that I have Vinayak because of you.

The teesri referred both the times by Sai. Once to Pakhi and once to herself.

Had Virat not reached there Sai might have decided to leave, so it’s a technically Virat who stopped Sai.

Also the question is has he heard the entire conversation and if yes then why did he keep on asking P. Was it to fish out things from her?

Also Sai used Virat’s threat to challenge him, which he didn’t take then why give the threat in the first place.

PS: I feel lost 😞

@ bold: There were multiple long shots of the cafe, where V was not present even camouflaged as a waiter (outfit). The last one was during the topic -- what will we say at the ptm, kids will come to know. Then there was another mid-shot when Sai exchanges cups.

During those two shots, P brought up -- we cannot hide from Savi for long and then Sai says I am "sahmat" with what you are saying, she cant break Savi's heart, then about Vaada and why it is ok to break it for Savi, then pahli baar we are thinking alike and then drink exchange, and hand hold.

So he got the gist, that P wanted Savi and Sai to leave and Sai came to understand P's perspective. Knowing Sai, her empathy, he assumes that she will run away again, hence the threat, using her insecurity against her. It would have worked but the word "teesri" ruined all his efforts.

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V's anger is justified (not the aggression, tho he hurt himself) esp after what he went thru losing baby Vinu. P has witnessed it. She has seen him take promise from even Kaku never to separate him from his daughter, not to even question the validity of her legitimacy. In spite of that she did "sazish". On the surface V does look like a villain, insane, menacing, but not even a saint can stay calm under these circumstances. He told Sai, ek baap ko aazma ke dekho ... and showed it to P, since she initiated it. Yes, it was scary but honestly I maybe in minority where it felt only human only a father's fear of losing his daughter, his "pyar ki nishani", his dream daughter and secretly losing Sai as well (tho he may not acknowledge or express it)

PS. Love all your reviews, it makes the episode more interesting

@Sherry, I googled "gaslighting" word too. In this epi V was as straight as possible. not a single jelebi.👏

wow i will go back and look the long shots now :)

nice one

Perception of truth

To understand the current episodes of Ghum, one need to go back to the pre leap days, the facades are off, the thing is each character has its own perception of truth and that changes from person to person and if one see it without the character bias, then it all make sense.......

For Sai the truth is Virat chose Pakhi above her and her son that day and that truth got concrete with them being husband wife post her leaving, her worst fear came true and she is leaving her worst fear, that's where the outbursts are coming, for her all the love she had for him and all the memories seemed farce.......

For Virat the truth is he chose to do what his family told him that day, the one who he got bailed out was no one but just a mere family member for him but Sai left him, even after all the love between them, Virat too is leaving his worst fear of Sai leaving him, her death news did gave him some repentance, infact he was at the calm and although he was just living a life without being alive, there was sense of peace in his heart and mind during that phase because of the blissful memories of years spent with Sai, his love was fulfilled as it seemed to him but when she reappear the fear actually came true that she did left him and didn't return all these years, the love, the memories alll seemed farce to him and the fact that she was alive and didn't consider him enough to let him know, shook him from inside and the Savi truth add more fuel to that fire and the volcano that erupt in his heart turned in the aggression we are seeing......

Both Sai and Virat are going through the heartbreak and betrayal of their beloved and are facing and living their worst fears in love, For Sai, it was Pakhi and for Virat, it was her leaving him, the clouds of misunderstanding will only get cleared when they see the perception of truth from the another person's lens, till then this will continue, Sai need to see that day from Virat's eyes and Virat from Sai's eyes, although I feel Virat is more at wrong, the thing is they both have ocean of love for each other but it's the compatibility and communication they lack, the biggest setback in their relationship is lack of communication, the day they will learn this art there will be no coming back for them.....

Regarding Pakhi too, both Sai and Virat had different version of truth, for Sai, Pakhi was Virat's lover, Sai always had that guilt that she came between Pakhi and Virat and for Virat, the chapter of Pakhi was long forgotten and he always saw her as his friend, his brother's wife and a family member, all the actions and interference of Pakhi in Sairat's marital life, Sai saw as an interference of jilted lover whereas Virat saw as an concern of a family member and a dear friend, that's where the miscommunication was and it did eat their relationship.........

Even now, they have different truth regarding Pakhi, for Sai, Pakhi is Virat's that lover whom he was always willing to unite and after her supposed death he unite with her, she considers herself to be a thorn whom Virat quickly got over after she left and for Virat, Pakhi is that family member and a friend who did wrong but had repentance and came to their help when needed the most......see for Virat and CN, Patralekha had repentance of her actions, she had her life ahead yet she sacrificed that life and tied knot with Virat in a loveless marriage so that Virat can adopt a child as per their pov...... that's the reason he is so grateful to her and respects her.......but what he doesn't see is she always wanted him, she didn't made any sacrifice, infact she got what she desired all along...........

Also, it is strongly established in the episodes that SAI AND VIRAT ARE NOT OVER EACH OTHER, audience expects them to talk and behave with each other softly and respectfully but how can they, when they are still burning in the love, till the time they have this unresolved issues and feelings they cannot be respectful to each other because they both held other one responsible for the breaking of their marriage, for Virat, it is Sai and For Sai, it is Virat, who is responsible to break something which was so precious and dear to them, one expects this maturity and respect from exes when they are over each other, which is not the case here, we can draw the parallel, Virat was always respectful to Pakhi after her marriage with Sam coz he was over her, whereas Pakhi always threw accusations and dirt at him because she was still burning in love that time.......Love is very strong emotion, it do take away the sense of right and wrong when a person is in extreme love to the point that he/she can even harm his/her lover in that emotion........

Also this is the reason why Virat deny working with Sai, it has nothing to do with Pakhi's insecurity but with his own emotions, he know he will lose the grip of his heart and his already week heart is not ready for another heartbreak, regarding Pakhi, he never understood Sai's insecurity because same the difference of truth, for him she was a friend and a family member, so he never got that reason that why Pakhi can be Sai's insecurity.........

PS: this is just a analysis post and no where I'm supporting the character traits irl but for me it's fiction so will take it as that......

Sai doesn’t know that Virat only married pakhi so he could adopt vinu and she doesn’t know that Virat and pakhi don’t have a husband sand wife intimate relationship…Sai thinks Virat just moved on so quickly.. so when she gets to know the truth ..things are going to change..and as for Virat..he needs to realise that he should not have let Sai go that day with their son…he should have left with her..and put patra out of their lives forever..🤷🏻‍♀️

Originally posted by: Shree15

Perception of truth

To understand the current episodes of Ghum, one need to go back to the pre leap days, the facades are off, the thing is each character has its own perception of truth and that changes from person to person and if one see it without the character bias, then it all make sense.......

For Sai the truth is Virat chose Pakhi above her and her son that day and that truth got concrete with them being husband wife post her leaving, her worst fear came true and she is leaving her worst fear, that's where the outbursts are coming, for her all the love she had for him and all the memories seemed farce.......

For Virat the truth is he chose to do what his family told him that day, the one who he got bailed out was no one but just a mere family member for him but Sai left him, even after all the love between them, Virat too is leaving his worst fear of Sai leaving him, her death news did gave him some repentance, infact he was at the calm and although he was just living a life without being alive, there was sense of peace in his heart and mind during that phase because of the blissful memories of years spent with Sai, his love was fulfilled as it seemed to him but when she reappear the fear actually came true that she did left him and didn't return all these years, the love, the memories alll seemed farce to him and the fact that she was alive and didn't consider him enough to let him know, shook him from inside and the Savi truth add more fuel to that fire and the volcano that erupt in his heart turned in the aggression we are seeing......

Both Sai and Virat are going through the heartbreak and betrayal of their beloved and are facing and living their worst fears in love, For Sai, it was Pakhi and for Virat, it was her leaving him, the clouds of misunderstanding will only get cleared when they see the perception of truth from the another person's lens, till then this will continue, Sai need to see that day from Virat's eyes and Virat from Sai's eyes, although I feel Virat is more at wrong, the thing is they both have ocean of love for each other but it's the compatibility and communication they lack, the biggest setback in their relationship is lack of communication, the day they will learn this art there will be no coming back for them.....

Regarding Pakhi too, both Sai and Virat had different version of truth, for Sai, Pakhi was Virat's lover, Sai always had that guilt that she came between Pakhi and Virat and for Virat, the chapter of Pakhi was long forgotten and he always saw her as his friend, his brother's wife and a family member, all the actions and interference of Pakhi in Sairat's marital life, Sai saw as an interference of jilted lover whereas Virat saw as an concern of a family member and a dear friend, that's where the miscommunication was and it did eat their relationship.........

Even now, they have different truth regarding Pakhi, for Sai, Pakhi is Virat's that lover whom he was always willing to unite and after her supposed death he unite with her, she considers herself to be a thorn whom Virat quickly got over after she left and for Virat, Pakhi is that family member and a friend who did wrong but had repentance and came to their help when needed the most......see for Virat and CN, Patralekha had repentance of her actions, she had her life ahead yet she sacrificed that life and tied knot with Virat in a loveless marriage so that Virat can adopt a child as per their pov...... that's the reason he is so grateful to her and respects her.......but what he doesn't see is she always wanted him, she didn't made any sacrifice, infact she got what she desired all along...........

Also, it is strongly established in the episodes that SAI AND VIRAT ARE NOT OVER EACH OTHER, audience expects them to talk and behave with each other softly and respectfully but how can they, when they are still burning in the love, till the time they have this unresolved issues and feelings they cannot be respectful to each other because they both held other one responsible for the breaking of their marriage, for Virat, it is Sai and For Sai, it is Virat, who is responsible to break something which was so precious and dear to them, one expects this maturity and respect from exes when they are over each other, which is not the case here, we can draw the parallel, Virat was always respectful to Pakhi after her marriage with Sam coz he was over her, whereas Pakhi always threw accusations and dirt at him because she was still burning in love that time.......Love is very strong emotion, it do take away the sense of right and wrong when a person is in extreme love to the point that he/she can even harm his/her lover in that emotion........

Also this is the reason why Virat deny working with Sai, it has nothing to do with Pakhi's insecurity but with his own emotions, he know he will lose the grip of his heart and his already week heart is not ready for another heartbreak, regarding Pakhi, he never understood Sai's insecurity because same the difference of truth, for him she was a friend and a family member, so he never got that reason that why Pakhi can be Sai's insecurity.........

PS: this is just a analysis post and no where I'm supporting the character traits irl but for me it's fiction so will take it as that......

very nice review..But i disagree on few things..

See Sai holds a lots of grudges against virat hence her emotions are strong ,but she hides them for the sake of her kid..she knows how to accept any situation and move on..

Virat and pakhi both are selfish..They only can use people when they need and then throw like tissue paper..Thats what both tried t do with sai post leap..The love from virat's end is completely dead..Sai is only his daughter's mother with whom he has to co-parent.. There is no romantic inclination..He is only trying to keep her sweet for savi..the point is even after knowing sai has been always faithful to him still has no qualms declaring pakhi his wife..That means he has accepted pkhi as his life partner.I watched the last part of the episode..He goes on saying " acche patni dharm nivaye ho tumne"..Thats a big thing to say..He wants to build his dream palace with pakhi,vinu,savi and his family..Sai has been discarded by him already..If savi did not cry for her mother he would have happily raised her with pakhi without even flinching for a moment what he has done to savi's mother..Infact i dont connect him as a father either

Originally posted by: Sherry24

Trust in a broken mirror!

Another example of this was V's expression while Sai was beating him left and right. It may look like a smirk. When Sai threatened to go to court and file for sole custody, his smirk can be taken up as a smirk. Looking at how he has been behaving in the past it can be read as his confidence in his power and position. But here, I felt it wasn't. This is again because we have to watch his expression in entirety throughout the scene. Where he is switching his expressions. He was happy that Sai is staying in Nagpur, the fire that Sai still had to fight the world (this again I will reserve for later), and the last smile with a tear was his pain at how low Sai now Sai thought of him. And he could do nothing about it. He earned it for himself. The deteriorating image.

As always analysis was superb. Always changing dynamics. The question is from one and response is to someone else. (eg He told Sai, ek baap ko aazma ke dekho ... and showed to P his aggression)

@bold: I interpreted it as, kya Sai tum abhi bhi mujhe nahi samjhti, desperation, plead "don't misunderstand me" stay on my side... But well, that is my sairat ship part of the brain analyzing😊