Audience psychoanalysis - Page 3

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

If CRAP doesn't work ....then how come Pushpa and KGF worked??

By crap I don't mean low-brow. For a movie not to be crap, it has to be entertaining.

Sexist and mindless Pushpa ain't to my taste, but it's entertaining to a huge section. Clearly, the script was written for that audience.

Same way, Drishyam is pretty clever, but it's very entertaining.

TBH, Brahmastra doesn't offer anything new, but it was darned entertaining to speculate on the side characters and the backstories and so on.

Something has to be there to entertain the audience - either a good plot/writing or as RTH said, a chance to escape into fantasy (I don't mean magic). Actually, even for escapism, decent writing is needed.

Originally posted by: Shaitan-Haiwan

Bollywood needs to go back to the basics while maintaining innovation. They also need to cut down on nepotism and take Karan Johar out of power. The fact that people got excited over Brahmastra which was a terrible movie, at be at. Is both sad and reflective of how low the bar is

Agree with all of it except KJo part. He's spending his own money and promoting his own people. Others just need to up their game.

Pushpa is a film set in a small village, where the protagonists are smugglers and gangsters, and it’s set in the 90s….

None of the characters are educated or even had a decent upbringing and we’re all brought up in a patriarchal society …the girl is essentially surrounded by predatory men which is a believable situation …

For that era and setup, they stayed true to it and still managed to give the girl some agency…srivalli works and earns for her family, she expresses her consent and pushpa does respect that…once she rejects him he stays away from her until she asks for his help and consents to be with him ….as opposed to the villain character who wants to have her at all costs and dosent care abt her consent ….and blackmails her by kidnapping her father ….

I didn’t find the romance in it regressive…crude, sure with the whole paying for a kiss thing ….but they show her agreeing to it …..and when she backs out, pushpa lets her be without forcing himself on her …

there is crudeness and regressive ness in the environment of the film…but the film made a clear distinction between having consent (hero) and not having consent (villain) despite both of the hero and villain pursuing her …..

There is a difference between showing something regressive where we all know it’s regressive because of the setup, vs showing something truly problematic as “ok.”

Using that logic, pride and prejudice is regressive af given it’s all about women trying to get hitched and thus earning respect in the society and financial stability ….but that was the situation in that era …..and again, that story also shows the difference between women consenting, vs women being coerced

Context is important …

Originally posted by: pathaka

Pushpa is a film set in a small village, where the protagonists are smugglers and gangsters, and it’s set in the 90s….

None of the characters are educated or even had a decent upbringing and we’re all brought up in a patriarchal society …the girl is essentially surrounded by predatory men which is a believable situation …

For that era and setup, they stayed true to it and still managed to give the girl some agency…srivalli works and earns for her family, she expresses her consent and pushpa does respect that…once she rejects him he stays away from her until she asks for his help and consents to be with him ….as opposed to the villain character who wants to have her at all costs and dosent care abt her consent ….and blackmails her by kidnapping her father ….

I didn’t find the romance in it regressive…crude, sure with the whole paying for a kiss thing ….but they show her agreeing to it …..and when she backs out, pushpa lets her be without forcing himself on her …

there is crudeness and regressive ness in the environment of the film…but the film made a clear distinction between having consent (hero) and not having consent (villain) despite both of the hero and villain pursuing her …..

There is a difference between showing something regressive where we all know it’s regressive because of the setup, vs showing something truly problematic as “ok.”

Using that logic, pride and prejudice is regressive af given it’s all about women trying to get hitched and thus earning respect in the society and financial stability ….but that was the situation in that era …..and again, that story also shows the difference between women consenting, vs women being coerced

Context is important …

A good script is a good script ... Isn't It ? 👍🏼

Therefore BW may have some redeeming qualities after all

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

If CRAP doesn't work ....then how come Pushpa and KGF worked??

I’m kind of with this. There’s still some of these mainstream movies in all languages that are working and they don’t seem to have the best scripts.

A lot of of this still is the luck of the draw.

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

I’m kind of with this. There’s still some of these mainstream movies in all languages that are working and they don’t seem to have the best scripts.

A lot of of this still is the luck of the draw.

Bottomline is entertainment. We don't need to agree with the topic or the treatment, but there has to be something in the plot, the writing, the film to entertain the audience.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Bottomline is entertainment. We don't need to agree with the topic or the treatment, but there has to be something in the plot, the writing, the film to entertain the audience.

Yes but if a mindless star vehicle in Tamil is a huge hit and the same film in Hindi bombs. I don’t know if necessarily that someone is doing something wrong. That seems more bad luck

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

The stories have to be good

An these days I’m finding myself transfixed of the real life stories . I don’t know if you saw Last Dance. ( a ten part documentary about Michael Jordan’s Chicago Bulls) That was better than any movie I saw in 5/6 years

https://youtu.be/N9Z9JtNcCWY

Where can I watch Last Dance? 🤔 On Netflix?

Originally posted by: Swetha-Sai

Where can I watch Last Dance? 🤔 On Netflix?

Yes it’s on Netflix

I once even re watched all ten episodes in Pakistan when I had down time so it’s not just Netflix USA lol

I recommend it

https://youtu.be/JQk2hJs2ToA

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Yes but if a mindless star vehicle in Tamil is a huge hit and the same film in Hindi bombs. I don’t know if necessarily that someone is doing something wrong. That seems more bad luck

Luck factor is always there. All well-made films don't succeed. But common factor in all recent successful films is that they're all entertaining. Even a Pushpa had tight script if I'm not mistaken (haven't watched it; don't plan to). I don't agree with sexist tropes, but peeps claim it's well written and well made.

Star vehicles don't seem to be succeeding. LSC failed. Liger failed.

KJo claims spectacle films succeed. But Shamshera and Prithviraj failed. Adipurush looks like might fail.

Sequels fail. One D2 and one BB2 don't cancel out the EV2 and the rest