Can anyone name a decent release an outsider's gotten ? - Page 9

Originally posted by: Guddu.Pandit

Ok Sorry, I doubted you, very bad friend I am 👎🏼

It’s even

I didn’t know you were Sameer at first back in March lol. You had to start talking box office for me to realize 😆

Taapse Pannu, Vikrant Massey, Nawazuddin Siddiqui, Tahir Bhasin, Sanya Malhotra, etc. have all had various OTT releases in the past few years that got significant publicity as well as positive reception.

Vidya Balan and Shefali Shah have also been thriving in the OTT space. Madhuri Dixit one of the original outsiders also is getting hyped projects on OTT.

Ayushman Khurana, Rajkumar Rao, Vicky Kaushal are getting a mix of theatrical and OTT releases. The homegrown outsider entertainment brand of TVF has carved a place for itself amidst big production houses.

For the past few years many anticipated movies are crashing and burning at the box office. I think Sooryavanshi was the last bonafide theatrical blockbuster from Bollywood.

If theatrical hype is the criterion for decent release then it is the wrong one because in today's age it doesn't reflect the quality of films or the meatiness of roles. Some actors may prefer to get leading roles on streaming than be a sidekick in a blockbuster.

So, in my opinion, there have been plenty of releases starring outsiders. They may not appear to be hyped because if you only care for theatrical releases then the algorithms are not serving you quality streaming content. The real kicker is that some people are so fired up and obsessed about nepotism that they would rather spend time following and complaining about nepo kids than actually support good movies being released all over.

IF YOU STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM THE INTERNET WILL STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM AND THE ALGORITHMS WILL ALSO START TO IGNORE THEM.

I mean Sonchiriya is a classic example. The movie got such good reviews from all critics and positive WOM but flopped miserably. I bet you half the SSR brigade screaming nepotism didn't even care about it till tragedy struck.

Your time and resources are limited. You could spend it complaining about trash. Or you could spend it on actually good content.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Taapse Pannu, Vikrant Massey, Nawazuddin Siddiqui, Tahir Bhasin, Sanya Malhotra, etc. have all had various OTT releases in the past few years that got significant publicity as well as positive reception.

Vidya Balan and Shefali Shah have also been thriving in the OTT space. Madhuri Dixit one of the original outsiders also is getting hyped projects on OTT.

Ayushman Khurana, Rajkumar Rao, Vicky Kaushal are getting a mix of theatrical and OTT releases. The homegrown outsider entertainment brand of TVF has carved a place for itself amidst big production houses.

For the past few years many anticipated movies are crashing and burning at the box office. I think Sooryavanshi was the last bonafide theatrical blockbuster from Bollywood.

If theatrical hype is the criterion for decent release then it is the wrong one because in today's age it doesn't reflect the quality of films or the meatiness of roles. Some actors may prefer to get leading roles on streaming than be a sidekick in a blockbuster.

So, in my opinion, there have been plenty of releases starring outsiders. They may not appear to be hyped because if you only care for theatrical releases then the algorithms are not serving you quality streaming content. The real kicker is that some people are so fired up and obsessed about nepotism that they would rather spend time following and complaining about nepo kids than actually support good movies being released all over.

IF YOU STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM THE INTERNET WILL STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM AND THE ALGORITHMS WILL ALSO START TO IGNORE THEM.

I mean Sonchiriya is a classic example. The movie got such good reviews from all critics and positive WOM but flopped miserably. I bet you half the SSR brigade screaming nepotism didn't even care about it till tragedy struck.

Your time and resources are limited. You could spend it complaining about trash. Or you could spend it on actually good content.

I’m w you here

Vidyut complained about nepotism and everyone listens. His films release and no one watches 🤣

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Taapse Pannu, Vikrant Massey, Nawazuddin Siddiqui, Tahir Bhasin, Sanya Malhotra, etc. have all had various OTT releases in the past few years that got significant publicity as well as positive reception.

Vidya Balan and Shefali Shah have also been thriving in the OTT space. Madhuri Dixit one of the original outsiders also is getting hyped projects on OTT.

Ayushman Khurana, Rajkumar Rao, Vicky Kaushal are getting a mix of theatrical and OTT releases. The homegrown outsider entertainment brand of TVF has carved a place for itself amidst big production houses.

For the past few years many anticipated movies are crashing and burning at the box office. I think Sooryavanshi was the last bonafide theatrical blockbuster from Bollywood.

If theatrical hype is the criterion for decent release then it is the wrong one because in today's age it doesn't reflect the quality of films or the meatiness of roles. Some actors may prefer to get leading roles on streaming than be a sidekick in a blockbuster.

So, in my opinion, there have been plenty of releases starring outsiders. They may not appear to be hyped because if you only care for theatrical releases then the algorithms are not serving you quality streaming content. The real kicker is that some people are so fired up and obsessed about nepotism that they would rather spend time following and complaining about nepo kids than actually support good movies being released all over.

IF YOU STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM THE INTERNET WILL STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM AND THE ALGORITHMS WILL ALSO START TO IGNORE THEM.

I mean Sonchiriya is a classic example. The movie got such good reviews from all critics and positive WOM but flopped miserably. I bet you half the SSR brigade screaming nepotism didn't even care about it till tragedy struck.

Your time and resources are limited. You could spend it complaining about trash. Or you could spend it on actually good content.

Do tapsee, nawaz, Massey, Sanya M or their movies get the hype and exposure that they deserve despite proving themselves again n again the way nepo kids do? Look at ananya on the other side. The difference in the treatment is glaring.

Again Vidya is married to SRK and Madhuri is a legend of sort. Even then she has to make do with OTT. Do you expect or advise shahrukh, Salman, amir, ranvir, ranbeer, varun et al to move to OTT instead of releasing in cimenas since they are not able to bring audience to the threatres? Madhuri was a bigger star than them all and yet she is finding it difficult to sustain and doing whatever comes her way.

Ayushman is the only one you can clutch on to to disregard rampant discrimination the outsiders faces in bollywood. Although it took him so many years to get recognized in andhadhun which was also rejected by another of nepokid. Compare the hype likes of varun, ananya, alia, Ranbir etc got since there debut to that of ayushman's Vicky's or rajkumar rao. Can any one justify such disparity in attitude of bollywood and media between insiders vs outsiders?

It's very condescending to ask outsiders to be OTT stars or YouTube stars. But it's not really surprising coming from an extreme liberal like you who always claims to side with less privileged section of the society. Kjo n types must be so proud of you if they are reading you lecturing audience and outsiders on what they should be doing to fulfill their bollywood dreams.

Originally posted by: catchmeifucan

Om shanti om

Chunkey's daughter was only interested in his own son and Aaradhya wasn't even born then. So Deepika got lucky with that.😆

Originally posted by: Fantus

Do tapsee, nawaz, Massey, Sanya M or their movies get the hype and exposure that they deserve despite proving themselves again n again the way nepo kids do? Look at ananya on the other side. The difference in the treatment is glaring.

My YouTube feed constantly suggests trailers for movies Tapsee is releasing. My social media feeds also tend to discuss these folks as well. I only hear of Ananya on this forum. So in all honesty, for me it is not on the treatment but the type of media you follow.

Originally posted by: Fantus

Again Vidya is married to SRK and Madhuri is a legend of sort.

*scratches head*

Originally posted by: Fantus

Even then she has to make do with OTT.

Herein lies the problem. YOU are the person looking down on OTT and treating it inferior to theatrical release.

Originally posted by: Fantus

Do you expect or advise shahrukh, Salman, amir, ranvir, ranbeer, varun et al to move to OTT instead of releasing in cimenas since they are not able to bring audience to the threatres?

Of course. I am a huge SRK fan and I would love to see him star in some interesting OTT content. Even Varun's Jugg Jugg Jeeyo moved to OTT fast as theatrical wasn't wholly sustainable.

If some of the biggest movie starts in the world like Chris Pratt, Leonardo Di Caprio, Jennifer Lawrence, Chris Hemsworth, Ryan Gosling, Charlize Theron and so many more can make exclusively OTT films why not our big stars? If the Russo brothers who directed some of the biggest cinematic blockbusters of our times want to make OTT films why not our big creators.

Originally posted by: Fantus

Madhuri was a bigger star than them all and yet she is finding it difficult to sustain and doing whatever comes her way.

I don't think you can discount ageism and misogynistic double standards.

Originally posted by: Fantus

Ayushman is the only one you can clutch on to to disregard rampant discrimination the outsiders faces in bollywood. Although it took him so many years to get recognized in andhadhun which was also rejected by another of nepokid. Compare the hype likes of varun, ananya, alia, Ranbir etc got since there debut to that of ayushman's Vicky's or rajkumar rao. Can any one justify such disparity in attitude of bollywood and media between insiders vs outsiders?

For generations, multiple trades and businesses have been passed on from generation to generation. No matter what profession or business it is, someone who has an in usually gets easier and quick opportunities while people on the outside have to work harder to move ahead. I don't think it is fair or right. But the outrage over it is usually selective around glamor and power.

Also, just because you have an in doesn't mean you will have it made. Success always requires a certain amount of hard work, passion, and talent.

I have seen hype around Ranbir and Alia. But I also believe that besides being insiders they are exceptionally talented. It could just be the media I consume - I haven't seen any hype around Varun or Ananya. If I ever see them mentioned - it always is something vapid or jokes at their expense. I won't deny there is a disparity. But part of the disparity is the type of media you choose to follow.

Originally posted by: Fantus

It's very condescending to ask outsiders to be OTT stars or YouTube stars.

No, it is not. I find that you are the one being condescending by looking down on mediums outside of theatrical release. OTT has revolutionized media and entertainment and changed how people consume content. OTT shows have created a new generation of stars. As I mentioned there are big stars and creators across the globe that are creating exclusive OTT content.

There is definitely magic and thrill to watching movies on the big screen. But that doesn't mean it is superior. There are plenty of great projects on streaming platforms. Some streaming shows and movies have made stars out of people.

Similarly, I am baffled by your disdain toward YouTube. I would assume that someone who is upset at nepotism would be supportive of platforms that democratize content. YouTube has given so many talented and creative individuals the potential to become stars in their own right. I used to be a big food network junkie. But now thanks to YouTube tons of folks who might have never gotten their own food network shows are YouTube stars.

If YouTube was so bad why would movie stars like Brie Larson start a YouTube channel? Why do famous folks like William and Kate or Kylie Jenner go to YouTube if it is not a worthy medium?

Originally posted by: Fantus

But it's not really surprising coming from an extreme liberal like you who always claims to side with less privileged section of the society. Kjo n types must be so proud of you if they are reading you lecturing audience and outsiders on what they should be doing to fulfill their Bollywood dreams.

I feel that you have a very myopic vision where only a larger-than-life theatrical release is the only worthwhile media. Dreams don't need to be boxed up like that. There are many pathways to fulfilling dreams and being successful. I like to support talent in the pathways they choose (or get). But if that makes me a Santana, so be it.

TM- Bb2 from karthik is an anomaly ??

Really? All of Kartik’s films have been successful since 2018, EXCEPT for Love Aaj Kal, with nepo Sara

Originally posted by: Guddu.Pandit

Outsiders Delivering Flops & Disasters, you can watch any ==

1. Samrat Prithviraj

2. Bachchan Pandey

3. Badhai do

4. Radhey Shyam

5. Jhund

6. Attack

7. Khuda Afiz 2

8. Hit - The first case

9. Anek

10. Janhit Mein Jaari

11. Dhaakad

12. Shabaash Mithu

Aur phir log NEPO kids ko blame karte hai, troll karte hai, OUTSIDERs ki halat dekh lo 🤣

They are forcing these janhvi, sara, tara, ananya, shanaya and so many other useless starkids on us by giving them scripts at least Alia takes advantage and of the great scripts being offered to her. I don’t watch any of their movies but I was forced to watch ananya since she did a movie with people I can’t avoid to watch on screen, they did that on purpose. Tara grew up with these star kids similar to them in advantages. That is why Bollywood is in bad condition, it needs people who have X factor to survive. Srk and saif sons have X factor so I don’t mind see starkids with X factor and talent. I want to see Harnaaz Sandhu and priya anand getting movies, want to see other outsiders girls getting great scripts too.

While I hate nepotism too but I must say there are hardly any solid outsiders anymore like SRK, Akki, Ash, Sush, Sonali, Shilpa, Vidya, Kangana in past. Or Amitabh, Dilip Kumar, Dev Anand, Ashok Kumar, Kishore Kumar, Dharam, Hema, Parveen, Zeenat, Mithun, Govinda, Madhuri, Sridevi, Meenakshi, Jayaprada, Rajinikanth, Vinod Khanna, Shatrughan Sinha, Sunil Dutt, Sadhana, Waheeda, Nargis, Madhubala etc now.

Hardly have I seen an outsider in recent times with great charisma, screen presence or talent.

They are okay. Some like Rajkumar, Ayushman, Sanya etc are talented but they lack commercial appeal and are more suited for message based films.

I dislike Kartik Aryan and he is overrated.

Nepo kids are plastic and overhyped but outsiders are no great shakes either.

Show me one guy who overshadowed others and caught attention or became a rage like SRK did with Darr and Baazigar. Or Akki became craze with Khiladi and Mohra.

None.