Aik Sitam Aur(Thread 5) Usama Khan, Anmol Baloch (ARY) - Page 11

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

the thing is I don't think ushna will leave. one thing I was annoyed was when she told shehroze that if he has to choose between wife and mom, he should always choose his mom. I was eyerolling at that and thinking "wait, girl till you have problems and he dumps you" -- I don't understand why these dramas are acting like such such momma devotion is healthy or normal. in that case, why get married? is a wife just for sex and producing babies? isn't it normal for a man to get married and be more attached to his wife? a parent child relationship should evolve -- if it remains stunted, that is a problem.

Exactly, i mean, mom are humans too. Why it is so difficult to go against them when thry are wrong. I and @murathayat talked about the same point in last thread ,the one you wrote. I did not like that either. And what is with this ,you will get many wives and not mom. I mean Ushna is one

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

the thing is I don't think ushna will leave. one thing I was annoyed was when she told shehroze that if he has to choose between wife and mom, he should always choose his mom. I was eyerolling at that and thinking "wait, girl till you have problems and he dumps you" -- I don't understand why these dramas are acting like such such momma devotion is healthy or normal. in that case, why get married? is a wife just for sex and producing babies? isn't it normal for a man to get married and be more attached to his wife? a parent child relationship should evolve -- if it remains stunted, that is a problem.

I noticed that too that she goes pick your mum, why? Aren’t you equally important? And if mum is wrong then no she shouldn’t be picked. I agree Ushna won’t leave and I am hoping against hope that the makers don’t ruin Shehroz but I am also aware that there is a possibility now that we don’t know when the show will end and shooting is still ongoing.

What I think is the mothers are very very dependent on their sons somehow compensating the love they may not get from their husbands. Men are extremely clingy towards their mothers too. They like FL as they are hot blooded male and want sex but other than that the minute mumma says jump they say how high which is so stupid.

Man should know how to keep two relationships separated. I don’t understand this competition with wife she is not at the same level as the mother. They are two different people.

Originally posted by: Renee.Clare

Oh damn,i never noticed that. I agree,about Gul blaming other women, when her own husband was crass 🤢 i also heard that there was some trend on the last episode of the show how people were not satisfied with the end. They wanted Adeel and Gul together 🤢

Well ,at least , KCR ,ending was supported by the audience . May be beacause the othee guy looked good too 🤣 and lead was not Danish or Feroze 😆

Yeah, the way Ayeza's character was shown to be too sansakari ,i had doubts she will forgive her husband ,glad she did not 😆

Under the comments of kcr's last episode you will find people saying she should have forgiven her husband. I guess those are imran Abbas fans😆

Ya i have heard that people wanted that disgusting guy to have his happy ending 🤢

I keep wanting to mention about your issue with zaroon in ZGH but I keep forgetting. so zaroon had an issue with his working mom but it was a bit more complex than that. basically she didn't have a work life balance and so the members at home were not knit together. zaroon felt ignored as a child and he only had his dad occasionally for company. so he saw working as a problem.

after meeting kashaf's mom, he realizes that working is not the issue but it is about making sure that you have a balance and you put in the effort at home. thats why we never see him interfere with kashaf's career or stop her from working. she continues to work even after she has kids.

also he is able to resolve the issues he has with his mom and she also realizes that she didn't take enough care especially with his sister (which leads to her divorce and eventual depression). personally I didn't have an issue with zaroon because this was not about housework or cooking. it was about emotional connection and spending time together as a family.

we do see that in many families in real life and how it can have negative impacts. both parents are so busy working that there is an emotional distance in the family. the child becomes independent rather early and can even cook a meal for themselves. but when it comes to emotional growth, there can be problems at school - my mom was a teacher and she saw that in some students. basically parents need to put in time and some love with their kids and build those bonds.

Originally posted by: spnfan

I never understood why that guy is said to be one of the most handsome pak actor. He seriously grosses me out. I have seen him in only kcr.

The most disgusting thing is he don't even talk to Ayesha properly but made her pregnant. I was shocked when they revealed she was pregnant. I thought when did it happen. He was going around cheating on her with her own sister and has been in love with her sister even before the marriage. Also he was cheating on her even before marriage and had the audacity to blame her for cheating on him with her cousin 😡 over some letters that the cousin wrote for her.

I also like that even though the cousin was crazily in love with her since childhood he never even thought of hurting her or her reputation unlike our sadakchap aashique. That guy was on a self destructive mode and totally out of his mind but let her be happy in her marriage with a worthless guy. He didn't even cross the line after knowing her husband is not worth it and she is living seperately from her husband.

I don’t find that guy attractive either he is not even Allright looking. I hope the FL got tested for STD’s when she left him?
she was pregnant? Didn’t they fight though and weren’t even talking? Yes the other guy was self destructive he left her alone. That I didn’t mind but the sister was a bisch and she was instigating that’s why I stopped. I don’t like two wives drama. Only reason I watched Dulhan was because FL hated the ML and was furious at him.

Originally posted by: Renee.Clare

Exactly, i mean, mom are humans too. Why it is so difficult to go against them when thry are wrong. I and @murathayat talked about the same point in last thread ,the one you wrote. I did not like that either. And what is with this ,you will get many wives and not mom. I mean Ushna is one

yea I was thinking the same. ushna seemed to be subconciously saying "wives are interchangeable but mom are not" -- what kind of nonsense is that????? 🙄🙄🙄

yea a wife is interchangeable if she is only there for sex, babies, cleaning and cooking. 🤦🤦🤦🤦

Originally posted by: vibha28

I noticed that too that she goes pick your mum, why? Aren’t you equally important? And if mum is wrong then no she shouldn’t be picked. I agree Ushna won’t leave and I am hoping against hope that the makers don’t ruin Shehroz but I am also aware that there is a possibility now that we don’t know when the show will end and shooting is still ongoing.

What I think is the mothers are very very dependent on their sons somehow compensating the love they may not get from their husbands. Men are extremely clingy towards their mothers too. They like FL as they are hot blooded male and want sex but other than that the minute mumma says jump they say how high which is so stupid.

Man should know how to keep two relationships separated. I don’t understand this competition with wife she is not at the same level as the mother. They are two different people.

whenever there is an unhealthy mom-son relationship, there is also the case of a missing father/husband. like you said a wife and mother are two separate bonds and relationship. they really cannot be compared. personally it drives me nuts when guys say "I want someone like my mom" and they complete the sentence "how she took care of me" and I am thinking "🤬🤬😡😈 are you five????? ""

my personal take -- it is a freaking insult when guys do that because they are not looking at their mom as individuals in their own right and someone with a life and mind. if a guy said -- "I want someone like my mom who is kind and rational" -- that is a compliment. however, if a guy is only talking about taking care, then you are basically upgrading nanny.

I feel that some parents are not able to realize or grasp that eventually children will leave -- physically or emotionally and it is not just girls. also boys. there is nothing wrong or weird or unnatural about it. just as a bird flies away from its nest once it has wings, so will children.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

I keep wanting to mention about your issue with zaroon in ZGH but I keep forgetting. so zaroon had an issue with his working mom but it was a bit more complex than that. basically she didn't have a work life balance and so the members at home were not knit together. zaroon felt ignored as a child and he only had his dad occasionally for company. so he saw working as a problem.

after meeting kashaf's mom, he realizes that working is not the issue but it is about making sure that you have a balance and you put in the effort at home. thats why we never see him interfere with kashaf's career or stop her from working. she continues to work even after she has kids.

also he is able to resolve the issues he has with his mom and she also realizes that she didn't take enough care especially with his sister (which leads to her divorce and eventual depression). personally I didn't have an issue with zaroon because this was not about housework or cooking. it was about emotional connection and spending time together as a family.

we do see that in many families in real life and how it can have negative impacts. both parents are so busy working that there is an emotional distance in the family. the child becomes independent rather early and can even cook a meal for themselves. but when it comes to emotional growth, there can be problems at school - my mom was a teacher and she saw that in some students. basically parents need to put in time and some love with their kids and build those bonds.

I look at this from cultural perspective and note the differences - here we are taught to be independent. My parents were both employed, we grew up with nanny’s and at kindy. We all knew how to cook by the time we were 14 and all of us moved out at age 18. We share fantastic relationships with our parents. Here if a child stays at home after 20 then no girl would want him and guys will ridicule him.

In my opinion bonds can be build even when both parents are equally busy. Time should be valuable and useful. If parents stay at home but are distant or home is disturbed then child is still alone even with people. It’s about balance and nurturing care.

Living at college dorm was such a scary experience but every single person in my family made sure that I was supported. I have had friends who live at home and mother is a house wife and they hate their home life.

I think quality care is more important than quantitative. Let’s hope society changes eventually.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

whenever there is an unhealthy mom-son relationship, there is also the case of a missing father/husband. like you said a wife and mother are two separate bonds and relationship. they really cannot be compared. personally it drives me nuts when guys say "I want someone like my mom" and they complete the sentence "how she took care of me" and I am thinking "🤬🤬😡😈 are you five????? ""

my personal take -- it is a freaking insult when guys do that because they are not looking at their mom as individuals in their own right and someone with a life and mind. if a guy said -- "I want someone like my mom who is kind and rational" -- that is a compliment. however, if a guy is only talking about taking care, then you are basically upgrading nanny.

I feel that some parents are not able to realize or grasp that eventually children will leave -- physically or emotionally and it is not just girls. also boys. there is nothing wrong or weird or unnatural about it. just as a bird flies away from its nest once it has wings, so will children.

Absolutely right👍👍👍👍

I think because there is no concept of separation of parent and spouse love. Exactly when a guy says I want someone like my mother ( not the complimentary way) , well you have a mother why do you want another like her? Let me get it - to sleep with her otherwise everything else your mother does it for you anyway then what’s my role in your life?

Yes the kind and rational part I agree but if you are dating her then you must know, right? But as a compliment definitely yes I agree completely there with you.

Last paragraph- completely agree, they can’t see the kids growing up and that’s why make them independent and stop being a helicopter parent. That bond will always be there but now it’s time for the child to fly the nest.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

I keep wanting to mention about your issue with zaroon in ZGH but I keep forgetting. so zaroon had an issue with his working mom but it was a bit more complex than that. basically she didn't have a work life balance and so the members at home were not knit together. zaroon felt ignored as a child and he only had his dad occasionally for company. so he saw working as a problem.

after meeting kashaf's mom, he realizes that working is not the issue but it is about making sure that you have a balance and you put in the effort at home. thats why we never see him interfere with kashaf's career or stop her from working. she continues to work even after she has kids.

also he is able to resolve the issues he has with his mom and she also realizes that she didn't take enough care especially with his sister (which leads to her divorce and eventual depression). personally I didn't have an issue with zaroon because this was not about housework or cooking. it was about emotional connection and spending time together as a family.

we do see that in many families in real life and how it can have negative impacts. both parents are so busy working that there is an emotional distance in the family. the child becomes independent rather early and can even cook a meal for themselves. but when it comes to emotional growth, there can be problems at school - my mom was a teacher and she saw that in some students. basically parents need to put in time and some love with their kids and build those bonds.

I get that but becoming a chauvinist because of feeling ignored by the mother is a big no. Zaroon wasn't an into your face chauvinist but an underlying one which i feel is more dangerous. It's like how shehroze is an into your face arrogant and proud guy unlike his mother who pretends to be nice as long as everything goes her way. We know we need to stay as far away from shehroze after the first meeting but we won't know how dangerous Naima can be.

Zaroon was fine with working women as long as the women chose family over her career but won't judge a guy if he chooses his career over his family. He was totally fine with the fact that he was literally engaged to his friend for months but created a huge scene simply because osama proposed his wife way before he did. I agree that he changed for the better and loved kasaf with all her flaws but i will never understand how a girl like kasaf agreed to marry a guy that literally raised his hands on her and yelled at her. I think the director changed the script a bit because I have heard that in the novel he actually hits her at the library and they still end up together.

He is not the kind of guy that says women shouldn't have freedom or they shouldn't be educated. He is the kind of guy that thinks he has the right to choose the amount of freedom a woman in his house should have.

I think out of all the pak drama MLs, only arsh from udaari was progressive and open minded in the true sense.

I hope you understand what I meant.