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Hey Sam, again an interesting topic. Regarding national language, my views are a little different and may seem unwelcoming. From wherever I see it, I feel a national language plays a crucial role in a country's development. For example let's take all the developed nations like Japan, South Korea, France, the USA, UK.. all these countries have a national language. National language drives national unity in any country, even if there are hundreds of other languages and dialects present in the country. Apart from that, look at the MNCs and private firms in the countries mentioned above, especially the Asian ones (Japan, South Korea, and China), all their businesses are in their national language.

In India, the situation is different, as you said India is a land of many languages and every language has its own beauty. Imposing one's language/culture/thoughts/opinions on anyone is wrong. Today, Hindi is the language used in all the central government work but tomorrow people may ask for their own language.. in that case, which language should we choose and on what basis? On the basis of majority, on the basis of ancient history? I thought a lot about this and I still do and I will continue doing that. But I am not sure if I will ever find an answer or any conclusion to that.

I also feel exactly the same way.

But its not easy to implement any one language in India.

Whenever there is such a discussion, people start protesting.

English has become an inevitable part of our life. Though it is not an Indian origin language we cannot survive without that. At least, the field in which I am I can't.

No doubt about it. The English language helps to have a conversation with people on a global level. . This language is a must for the people whose job profile is like they have to deal with foreign clients.

I cannot say about today's schooling system. I was born and brought up in Jharkhand, so I am more comfortable with Hindi than my mother tongue Bengali. I studied Hindi till class 10 and after that, I had a choice between Hindi and CS. But whatever Hindi literature and grammar I studied were very different. I could summarize the poem's meaning in pure Hindi and it was taught that way. Nowadays, I do understand that not many young people would opt for a career in Hindi literature and grammar, maybe that's why the sorry state of affairs.

I would say learning English is the easiest. Apart from that everyone would say that learning their mother tongue is easy. Even in Bengali we have choti e ki maatra and all.

Its bcoz fewer job opportunities are for Hindi. During corona time, Hindi teachers did not have any source of income. For other subjects, tuitions-online classes were on but not for Hindi.

Hindi is tough or not; cant say. its not mandatory after 10th. so students don't take interest in this language. (Even parents dont pay much attention nowadays) Without interest, everything is difficult. Irony is that the younger generation says proudly, pata nahi hindi mei iska meaning ya spelling kya hoti hai.

About the incidents you mentioned: I feel language is just a medium of communication. One doesn't have to speak fluent hindi/english/kannada/or any language. As long as the other person can understand it should be fine. In the work field, it is necessary to have basic communication skill as you may be doing everything perfectly but you have to give presentations as well, there it is needed.

One feels embarrassed because there are people who make them feel that way. Lack of basic empathy. Half of the problems would be solved if one acts by putting oneself in another's shoes. Yes, people can speak English without having proper knowledge of grammar by just watching youtube videos. I know many people who have done that. Learning any language needs dedication, interest, and patience. I myself have learned a little Korean just by watching Korean movies and dramas. Mostly because raw episodes would be out and I had to wait for subtitles for 2 days. 😂

I totally agree.

I think people want to learn very fast but it takes time. I have grown up reading comics like pinki, chacha chowdhary ,champak.. and jeevnis of Mahadevi Verma, hindi poems and Kabir ke dohe in school, so Hindi was never a problem for me. if talk about English, at the time of the Group discussion, I used to get cold feet. But I had to learn ( grammar and writing were never an issue for me), so with practice and putting sincere effort I was able to communicate in English. sometimes, got embarrassed bcoz of wrong pronunciation. 😒

As Indians, we can try to learn the basics of all the language where we are staying. I know basic kannada so that I can talk to the auto/bus drivers. Also trying to learn telugu and tamil.. atleast the basics so that if I go there I can converse with people. In my personal opinion one should always learn atleast the basic words of the language of the state where they are staying. That's the least one can do

Infact, it becomes mandatory to learn the basics of language of place where one stays

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

Very important and interesting topic, Must say!

Here are my 2 questions:

1. In ancient times, how would people communicate?

Bharata has always been a land of many languages from time immemorial and known to have trade relations globally (not just internally), how were we communicating? Surely a person from the Northern provinces of Bharata was communicating with a person from the Southern provinces of Bharata, likewise with Eastern and Western provinces of Bharata. How did traveller's from across the globe communicate with locals?

2. When do we say a language is dead?

Example: we say Hebrew is becoming dead and such.

Is the commercial viability and applicability a measure of the languages' existence?

Must say, questions are very tough.😆

I hope you are not a teacher, otherwise, your students will fail.

jokes apart

Really, very interesting questions.

After reading your post only, the first question arose in my mind, Is there any diff bw extinct and dead language.

While searching for answer, I came to know that languages are dying left and right and according to some estimates, one language dies every two weeks. This was really something new and very shocking for me.

I know your questions are still not answered, but I found this topic so imp and interesting, that I felt like diving into it. I vll def. try to find answers to ur questions.

Thanks for bringing my attention to this direction😊

Originally posted by: ChirpyKiya10

First of all, Thanks for sharing valuable information.

Really, it's very shocking that 3000 languages are on verge of extinction.

It was something new for me.

It has forced me to think from a different perspective.

Thanks

welcome

yes every year many languages get extinct in india and world

hence all languages especially regional like marathi bhojpuri mythili kannada tamil must be encouraged to speak

like Sanskrit no one will speak them

in us they teach spainish english languages etc in school although spainish is not USA language

schools must teach regional language Sanskrit etc all going to extinct language as much so next gen learns and speaks them

or many indian languages will go extinct in near future and all the books and movies made in those languages will go extict as no one know that languages

hindi and urdu was not there in BC and before in india

its i think mix of Persian with some indian language i think sanskrit

i do not think ashoka and chandra gupta maurya or porus ever spoke in hindi

its a recent new language

best part is english is not british language too like hindi is not derived from a mixture of indian languages like pali and sanskrit etc its more middle east language origin

https://phys.org/news/2012-08-turkey-birthplace-hindi-english.html

As far as the national language is concerned then it cant happen in India because most of the Indian states are carved on the basis of linguistic and cultural preferences. So one language for India is neither suitable nor advisable. Yes the language for official communication can be selected as english because it is now widely spoken in our country.

you can give it any name but the fact is britishers ruled us over for 200+ years and they made systemic changes in our administration, education systems and engineered our mind sets also so that we will feel ashamed on our culture or feel inferior to them, want to become one of them. Britishers left the country but this mental enslavement continued and is still there. Thats why people dont feel confident while not speaking in english, jokes are made on "Shudh hindi" Phrases, people who graduates from hindi medium are considered less intelligent. And in schools the whole convent culture ruined our indian culture.

It is said that primary education is the basic of everything. So first step should be started from here. I am totally in opposition of this convent culture school. Our vedic vidyalay should be opened which would inculcate sense of pride towards our culture. PT should be replaced with yoga. English marks should not be included in final scoring, just passing should be enough while vernacular languages should be made compulsory. Along with the modern requirements of computer education, traditional values of mediation should be teached. Celebration of indian festivals such as guru purnima, basant panchmi etc should be encouraged instead of foreign concept of father's or mother's or whatever 1000 types of days.

I agree that today learning english is inevitable and its nothing wrong in acquiring knowledge of other language specially language like english which is widely spoken in US and UK where most of the people wanna go for career opportunities but at the same time one should not feel ashamed of our own language and culture.

Among india also, one language shouldn't be considered great as compare to another or should not be made fun of. Like, we see or hear many instances where south indian languages, bhojpuri language, bihari dialect etc are laughed upon. This tendency should stop. We are so divided right now. We should embrace the beauty of diversity for which our country is know for.

Well i believe that as long as you speak human language and not an alien language it's alright 👍🏼

I mean either say thank you or say dhanywaad coz unfortunately tenk you is not a word 🤪

Same way, either say sorry or say mujhe maaf kar do coz wtf is sooriee !!??😕

P.s- Upar kiye gaye post ka kisi bhi jeevit/mrit vyakti ya anupama se koi lena dena nahi hai😃

The commercially spoken (popularly amd say in movies) Hindi is infact, Hindustani, if I am not wrong. This is, an "Apabrahmsha", if you will, of Hindi, Persian, Arabic.

Hindi itself is, if I am not wrong, an "Apabrahmsha" of Prakrit.