NAAJAYEZ........ - Page 4

Originally posted by: Harani

In a lot of cases infertility is caused by stress. The moment someone let it go instead of thinking about it, it happens. For example pets and adoption, there are many store of couple conceived after that.

Personally went with fertility issues for good 14 years, 10-15 miscarriages, 4 failed IVF. Finally after having miscarried at one day to six months, gone through manual plesanta removal, trauma of letting go of those children, seeing them passing right Infront of our eyes, we finally gave up saying we can't go through it anymore. When we gave up, I conceived naturallly. Two years apart I have two children. Just writing it out for anyone who might be going through.

Especially she's pregnant after all the trauma she's been through recently. How awful it is for a woman to hear that it's not his child who she's carrying? Even if ithe baby is not his in reality. Wouldn't he want to atleast protect her this way? I wanted to see Aryan's deepest pain for Imilie in that Nayaz statement and if they shown that's what made him to take revenge, audience might have been convinced?

Thanks for sharing your deeply personal experience, my friend🤗. Treatment for female infertility is a true roller coaster with emotions and hormonal manipulation and a whole lot of physical stresses. I am so glad things have worked out beautifully for you guys❤️

@bold...... this is what I am saying. How very distressing to hear, let alone bear it for a woman🤢 And honestly, when the promo came, I felt that the only way the conflict would start is if he felt she was violated. But I also thought that he will keep quiet, shut down and bear the hurt/pain by himself while he sees Imlie enjoying the pregnancy, he would be supportive while quietly investigating the possibility of a crime😒 This is what I thought. What did we get instead ?🤢

Mili,. I am really sorry to hear about your friend. My best wishes for them from my bottom of my heart💓. May God bless them with a baby soon.

I've been through critical illness meaning at one point I didn't know how long Iwoul live for and I can confidently say that infertility was the hardest. It involves too many people , then the couple. I agree IVF is a roller coaster ride with all sorts o mental, and physical pain and procedures..

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

I think like mili -- I don't understand why he immediately accepted that he was infertile and did not consider the tiny possibility that maybe the child was his. unless he is some medical professional with all sorts of knowledge, most people have all sorts of wild hope even when faced with a terminal diagnosis. so why didn't he?

I have heard of quite a few couples who were told they could not have children. in one case, the couple accepted and moved on. a decade after diagnosis, they decided to adopt a baby girl. when this adopted child was around 2 or 3, the couple ended up having 2 children in a row much to their surprise. the doctor's conclusion -- the couple were happy because of the adoption and so the body righted itself?! who knows. another couple were childless for 15 years -- they had made peace with it and were content being childless. then they had 4 children in a row. so these things do happen. 🤷🤷

I know these things happen in RL. In fact it happened to one of my cousin in India. She was having hard time conceiving after so many years of her marriage but after she adopted a baby girl she herself got pregnant and gave birth to her biological daughter.

But this is FICTION and creatives do take creative liberties to show conflict and drama. If they apply Logic in everything then there's no scope for drama. Baat Wahi khatam ho jayegi🤭

Aryan did try by doing 2nd test and accepted it because that's what cvs want him to do because he doesn't smell any foul play there.

Now alot of people are comparing it with 100 pundits for Kundali fiasco but they are forgetting the fact that Aryan saw someone paying money to the OG pundit and his doubts got cleared by App. Then he decided to call more pundits to confirm it.

Agar Aryan manega hi nahi toh story aage kaise badhegi 🤷‍♀️ Jyoti agar report change naa karti toh baat wahi done and dusted ho jaati 😆

ITv and logic doesn't go hand in hand. They just show anything on the name of creativity 😑

Thanks for tagging me in.

This is a sensitive topic and everyone is justified in their thinking and rationale.

I understand makers want to show aaryan's protectiveness for his wife and guilt since he thinks he failed to protect his wife. But I am upset with makers playing with 2 sensitive topics here, infertility and second rape without putting any efforts and research on these topics.

Whether its female or male victims, those that are rape victims or those accused of rape are traumatized for life. And I mentioned earlier, a rape victim whether sedated or awake cannot miss signs of physical penetration and hence no witness is as important than rape victim herself. If Imlie mentioned she wasnt raped or exploited, aaryan cannot prove that she was raped, even with his theory of she being drugged. Because drugging someone is not equal to rape.

Second, someone as smart as aaryan cannot be shown to just take his friends words as confirmation especially in such a big matter that directly affects his lady love.

Third, it is insensitive to keep bringing rape issue with Imlie and hurting her. The thought of someone touching you without your permission is not easy for any women to digest. Aaryan loves Imlie so he need to be sensitive to her feelings too and not get overwhelmed by his own emotions.

Regarding infertility issue, infertility doesnt mean cannot conceive. It means unable to conceive after unprotected intercourse for a year. And there can be many reasons but there are solutions for them in medical field including ivf and surrogacy which are expensive but affordable by atleast rich. Sterility means not able to conceive at all, there is no reason shown (trauma, radiation to genital organ or surgery) to show aaryan is sterile. Also a normal person usually takes his report and gets consultation with field experts and being from medical field, I can tell you we will try to find cause to ensure if report is correct.

Once wife is pregnant, one gets paternity test to confirm who the unborn childs father is and not get a repeat semen analysis. This is stupidest thing to show.

Issue with this track is that there are lot of loop holes like some mentioned above and why didnt Imlie provide her strip to asr as its not possible that she consumed all tabs from that strip or threw that strip away after taking 1 tab? Issue is we fans are not able to accept asr not using his brains to think logically. ASR whose mind was working and didnt forget to plan even with a ticking bomb in hand is not someone who will waste time to gather real evidence (not rely on just a strip of meds that jo gave him) to prove madhav guilty.

ASR for us is someone who is loving, caring, intelligent, smart, but is also human and righteous. His values dont falter even in tough situations or with heartbreak. His revenge with aditya was at professional and never on personal level.

I can go on and on. But I know I will sound repetitive.

I have issues with current track for above reasons. And also they are making it boring. Nevertheless I am still here thanks to being arylie fan and for discussions on IF with all sis here😊

again, i agree with both you guys as i do with everyone else here. there’re quite a few ways to look at this. looking beyond the whole is-she-is-she-not mess, i would say my one gripe with this entire situation is that Aryan publicly outed Imlie as a victim of sexual assault and Madhav as the perpetrator without irrefutable evidence at the point in time that he did. i can otherwise to a certain degree, still see his thought process from his infertility to Madhav assaulting Imlie (given Imlie’s part in this misunderstanding as well). i actually think this is pretty consistent with his character as well, if we also consider the way he went about the Arvind incident. he has a conclusion in mind that most of the information line up with, so he tends to disregard the information that don’t fit into or aren’t accounted for by that frame (i.e. Aditya-3rd party-Arvind connection and Imlie’s conflicting fertility and pregnancy reports). couple that with his emotional vulnerability/fragility for his loved ones.

Originally posted by: handlerxsaviour

again, i agree with both you guys as i do with everyone else here. there’re quite a few ways to look at this. looking beyond the whole is-she-is-she-not mess, i would say my one gripe with this entire situation is that Aryan publicly outed Imlie as a victim of sexual assault and Madhav as the perpetrator without irrefutable evidence at the point in time that he did. i can otherwise to a certain degree, still see his thought process from his infertility to Madhav assaulting Imlie (given Imlie’s part in this misunderstanding as well). i actually think this is pretty consistent with his character as well, if we also consider the way he went about the Arvind incident. he has a conclusion in mind that most of the information line up with, so he tends to disregard the information that don’t fit into or aren’t accounted for by that frame (i.e. Aditya-3rd party-Arvind connection and Imlie’s conflicting fertility and pregnancy reports). couple that with his emotional vulnerability/fragility for his loved ones.

Yup I agree with you on this one. Being a rape victim or being accused of raping someone is very traumatic and asr outburst was least expected in public. But as I mentioned above, he is overwhelmed with his own emotions, anger and guilt, that he is been shown as insensitive towards imlies feelings which is not the asr we know. ASR has always puts imlie and her feelings first even before himself even if that involves hurting himself a lot in the process.

Originally posted by: anabh

Yup I agree with you on this one. Being a rape victim or being accused of raping someone is very traumatic and asr outburst was least expected in public. But as I mentioned above, he is overwhelmed with his own emotions, anger and guilt, that he is been shown as insensitive towards imlies feelings which is not the asr we know. ASR has always puts imlie and her feelings first even before himself even if that involves hurting himself a lot in the process.

Originally posted by: handlerxsaviour

again, i agree with both you guys as i do with everyone else here. there’re quite a few ways to look at this. looking beyond the whole is-she-is-she-not mess, i would say my one gripe with this entire situation is that Aryan publicly outed Imlie as a victim of sexual assault and Madhav as the perpetrator without irrefutable evidence at the point in time that he did. i can otherwise to a certain degree, still see his thought process from his infertility to Madhav assaulting Imlie (given Imlie’s part in this misunderstanding as well). i actually think this is pretty consistent with his character as well, if we also consider the way he went about the Arvind incident. he has a conclusion in mind that most of the information line up with, so he tends to disregard the information that don’t fit into or aren’t accounted for by that frame (i.e. Aditya-3rd party-Arvind connection and Imlie’s conflicting fertility and pregnancy reports). couple that with his emotional vulnerability/fragility for his loved ones.

besides the boredom, my issue with this track that I am not sure what on earth the point is. what angle are we supposed to look at this from? as anabh fantastically explained, they have taken two very serious issues and made some weird track that is neither here nor there.

for me, it looks like a half-baked desperate attempt to make aryan heroic. I would have preferred if they had simply made him a typical ML who suspects his wife and then having to deal with the fallout of this suspicion. here, it looks rather underhanded. they want to show that he is not suspicious but heart of hearts, he is desperate not to feel that way and so pins the blame on madhav. basicallly he can't show his anger on imlie and so it is re-directed anger on madhav instead. I wish they had made aryan just full on negative. that would have been far more interesting to watch than this silliness (which is why I am skipping a lot of the episodes).

unless you have known the doctor for ages, most people don't accept a negative diagnosis; instead they re-verify it with a second and third opinion. when aryan was the type to call some dozen pandits to his house to counter blue aunty's pandit that their kundali didn't match, why didn't he re-verify with a dozen doctors? why did he not struggle with the fallout of finding he was infertile? he just magically decided to just comfort imlie and was not focused on his own pain? none of this makes any sense even storywise!

but at this point, am too bored that the drama is hardly getting any feels or reaction from me. 🤷

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

besides the boredom, my issue with this track that I am not sure what on earth the point is. what angle are we supposed to look at this from? as anabh fantastically explained, they have taken two very serious issues and made some weird track that is neither here nor there.

for me, it looks like a half-baked desperate attempt to make aryan heroic. I would have preferred if they had simply made him a typical ML who suspects his wife and then having to deal with the fallout of this suspicion. here, it looks rather underhanded. they want to show that he is not suspicious but heart of hearts, he is desperate not to feel that way and so pins the blame on madhav. basicallly he can't show his anger on imlie and so it is re-directed anger on madhav instead. I wish they had made aryan just full on negative. that would have been far more interesting to watch than this silliness (which is why I am skipping a lot of the episodes).

unless you have known the doctor for ages, most people don't accept a negative diagnosis; instead they re-verify it with a second and third opinion. when aryan was the type to call some dozen pandits to his house to counter blue aunty's pandit that their kundali didn't match, why didn't he re-verify with a dozen doctors? why did he not struggle with the fallout of finding he was infertile? he just magically decided to just comfort imlie and was not focused on his own pain? none of this makes any sense even storywise!

but at this point, am too bored that the drama is hardly getting any feels or reaction from me. 🤷

The writer didn't completely brain storm all possible consequences of this. What I mean is, how an outburst such as this by an astute, intelligent, logical and composed ASR would look like. They only focused on ASR being a " husband not doubting his wife". But by saying the things he is saying repeatedly that " he is not the father, he loves the child, BUT......." all of these are indirectly very hurtful to the pregnant wife. Woh Humsafar wala last episode haina, when the guy says " that I am not the son of my father is a gaali for me, as is I am not the father of my daughter", that fits so very well here. Either way, Imlie is bearing the brunt of his nonsensical allegations at this time, not Madhav guy☢️ This is why, it seems so unbearable and insulting for a woman, completely losing out on the writers' intention to show " Aryan trusts his wife, but is mad at Madhav". I guess they are having him repeat this to drive home a point, but it is coming out as insensitive and irresponsible😒

They need to course correct like TODAY or else, the show is out of their hands🤬 We can tolerate a saas or a diddly doo saying this but not a sensitive ML, loving husband rubbing it in with a lot of venom😡🤢

Originally posted by: handlerxsaviour

i’d say this is more ambiguous than we really think. while it’s true that he places importance on her autonomy, it’s also true that he tends to make her decisions for her based on his own assumptions (not actual knowledge) of her thought process. and it has been so since the beginning. remember when he decided on her behalf that reconciling with Aditya would not be in her best interest and deleted the text from him during AdiNi’s wedding? he decided on her behalf that she’d definitely get coerced by Aditya to go back to him and so forced her into a marriage with him to “save” her from Aditya and the Tripathis. even now, he’s decided on her behalf that she’s a victim and that Madhav must be punished. in a way, this also demonstrates the limitations of his understanding of Imlie, i think.

Yup I agree with you on this too. He has made many decisions on her behalf including marrying her. I had raised this earlier as personally I find if someone makes decision on behalf of you its kinda indirectly disrespecting your opinion and I believe for a relation to flourish, with love and trust, you also need respect. I was thinking may be I am the only one who think like this so I put my case to rest. I am glad someone noticed too and to know there is someone with similar outlook❤️

But a person is never black or white, we all have grey shades. Its our ego (our realistic, organized, rational conscience) that helps us decide from right and wrong. We like ASR not coz he is perfect ML but coz he is very humane and close to reality and has flaws. One of good quality shown in ASR is that he is not superegoistic and so when he realizes he is wrong, he is ready to mend his ways too.