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so kangana says something dumb as usual and ppl here start pellofying gyaan on mythology.SMHš
Dear Lord. Someone asked a question on which would be the version to read, and it got a response. I also responded to the statement Ramesh Menon's was close to authentic. I cited the discrepancies. If you want to prove it wrong, please do. if you want to believe Ramesh Menon, please do. Not giving gyaan to anyone.
Originally posted by: HearMeRoar
Ramesh Menon has tons of deliberately inserted errors.
1. Presence of Radha, who is not mentioned in any of the main Krishna texts (MBh, HV, or SB)
2. Khandava which involves Satyabhama when it was Draupadi. Satyabhama was nowhere close to the scene in any version of MBh. She has no role to play in MBh except as listener to Draupadi once and in urging along the Yadava fratricide.
3. Hidimbi issue which was really Kunti agreeing to let Bheema father a child was turned into a romance.
4. Karna. He was educated by Dronacharya and was only refused the brahmashira because he openly stated he would use it to kill Arjuna. Karna then went and lied to Parasu Ram to get it anyway. Ramesh Menon says Karna was not given any education by Drona.
5. Vyasa says Karna asked Panchali to be disrobed completely. Ramesh Menon completely changes it and says Karna only asked for her silks to be changed into whatever slaves wear š.
6. The parts about what Panchali did in the empire, her work as the finance minister and citizen liaison, were completely edited out by Ramesh Menon. She was reduced to a caricature, a helpless woman saved by the male Krishna. Vyasa's Panchali saved herself. Even the Bombay edition says Panchali's own dharma saved her. There was no calling to Krishna in the scene. She also put up a hell of a legal argument about the rights of elite rulers who *lose themselves* to then presume authority over others. Ramesh Menon destroyed that as well
Plenty of other errors too. Ramesh Menon is as much a retelling as any of the other versions. It is not a straight translation. Rather, a fantasy version as you said. The characters in the Ramesh Menon version are not the same as Vyasa's characters. Karna was changed into the TV show version of deprived orphan. Panchali was changed into damsel in distress. Of all the manipulations that are distasteful, what Ramesh Menon did to Panchali's character is terrible. He stripped away everything that made her great.
Regarding romances. There are 3 mentions of pranaya in association with Panchali in the Critical Edition. Only once does she herself say it directly to someone. I'm not going to state who and start another war. But the Sanskrit version is available for free online.
Anyway, for a translation, BORI Critical Edition ones are the most reliable. Debroy is the only one who has done A to Z as far as I know.
Gita Press is also reliable though they don't rely on BORI CE.
If you are looking for free, sacred texts website has the entire KMG version for free. It is a translation of the Neelkantha commentary.
These concern only the northern recension translations. Southern MBh recension is significantly longer.
This is the first time i read negative about Karna. I never heard anything bad about him but all good. He was the example of sacrifice.
Since we are at it, who is Kamala Khan and Layla (Moonknight)? I hope MCU was inspired by some character to write this one.
I think Kangana knows at this point that just to relevant, she has to be stupid, and in a few years, she will get a party ticket or she just doesn't follow MCU and saw the battle scene and equated it to the kurukshetra war which has so many people fighting each other.
This is the first time i read negative about Karna. I never heard anything bad about him but all good. He was the example of sacrifice.
There are a lot of misconceptions about Karna. The following is what Vyasa Mahabharata says:
Karna was a major participant and instigator of Duryodhana's childhood crimes.
Karna was educated with the Kuru princes in Dronacharya's ashram and was denied only the brahmashira because he outright stated he wanted to kill Arjuna with it. This is why he lied to Parasu Ram for it.
He lived quite a comfortable life. His given name was Vasusena, which literally means the one with wealth.
He also admits he lived a cushy life to Krishna.
He was the one who asked Dusshasan to disrobe Panchali in a court full of men because in his eyes, she was nothing but a who're. He actually says so.
When the attempt failed, he asked Dusshasan to take Panchali to the (sex) slave house where she could perform her duties.
He asked Panchali to choose one of the Kauravas to have sex with.
He offered his own wife and children as slaves to anyone who could help him kill Arjuna and Krishna.
Karna's Anga was the hub of child and widow sex trafficking in Aryavarta.
In his conversation with Shalya, he insults lower castes and women.
He himself admits he did everything to please Duryodhana.
He himself admits all he wanted from Kurukshetra was to kill Arjuna.
His philanthropy and the depth of his friendship with another criminal is not an excuse for his criminality. *cough* Being Human *cough* Salman Khan *cough*
With re: his rejection of Krishna's offer. It wasn't a legit offer for many reasons, and Karna would've known it. Krishna also says later it is perfectly justified to lie to an enemy. Two minutes before Arjuna fires the fatal arrow, Krishna taunts Karna with everything that he did.
"Sanjaya said, 'Then Vasudeva, stationed on the car, addressed Karna, saying, "By good luck it is, O son of Radha, that thou rememberest virtue! It is generally seen that they that are mean, when they sink into distress, rail at Providence but never at their own misdeeds. Thyself and Suyodhana and Duhshasana and Shakuni, the son of Subala, had caused Draupadi, clad in a single piece of raiment, to be brought into the midst of the assembly. On that occasion, O Karna, this virtue of thine did not manifest itself. When at the assembly Shakuni, an adept in dice, vanquished Kunti's son Yudhishthira who was unacquainted with it, whither had this virtue of thine gone? When the Kuru king (Duryodhana), acting under thy counsels, treated Bhimasena in that way with the aid of snakes and poisoned food, whither had this virtue of thine then gone? When the period of exile into the woods was over as also the thirteenth year, thou didst not make over to the Pandavas their kingdom. Whither had this virtue of thine then gone? Thou didst set fire to the house of lac at Varanavata for burning to death the sleeping Pandavas. Whither then, O son of Radha, had this virtue of thine gone? Thou laughedest at Krishna while she stood in the midst of the assembly, scantily dressed because in her season and obedient to Duhshasana's will, whither, then, O Karna, had this virtue of thine gone? When from the apartment reserved for the females innocent Krishna was dragged, thou didst not interfere. Whither, O son of Radha, had this virtue of thine gone? Thyself addressing the princess Draupadi, that lady whose tread is as dignified as that of the elephant, in these words, viz., 'The Pandavas, O Krishna, are lost. They have sunk into eternal hell. Do thou choose another husband!' thou lookedest on the scene with delight. Whither then, O Karna, had this virtue of thine gone? Covetous of kingdom and relying on the ruler of the Gandharvas, thou summonedest the Pandavas (to a match of dice). Whither then had this virtue of thine gone? When many mighty car-warriors, encompassing the boy Abhimanyu in battle, slew him, whither had this virtue of thine then gone? If this virtue that thou now invokest was nowhere on those occasions, what is the use then of parching thy palate now, by uttering that word? Thou art now for the practice of virtue, O Suta, but thou shalt not escape with life.
Originally posted by: oye_nakhrewaali
Since we are at it, who is Kamala Khan and Layla (Moonknight)? I hope MCU was inspired by some character to write this one.
I think Kangana knows at this point that just to relevant, she has to be stupid, and in a few years, she will get a party ticket or she just doesn't follow MCU and saw the battle scene and equated it to the kurukshetra war which has so many people fighting each other.
Uttara = kamala. š Sorry, only teen I can think of.
No idea about Layla
@Zeal
What double standards?š Kangana is getting trolled for saying something stupid.
So do Ranveer, Ranbir, Deepika, Alia, Katrina, Aamir, Akshay, Ajay, Madhuri, Ananya, even Amitabh Bachchan.
Are you asking for special treatment for Kangana?
Originally posted by: HearMeRoar
There are a lot of misconceptions about Karna. The following is what Vyasa Mahabharata says:
Karna was a major participant and instigator of Duryodhana's childhood crimes.
Karna was educated with the Kuru princes in Dronacharya's ashram and was denied only the brahmashira because he outright stated he wanted to kill Arjuna with it. This is why he lied to Parasu Ram for it.
He lived quite a comfortable life. His given name was Vasusena, which literally means the one with wealth.
He also admits he lived a cushy life to Krishna.
He was the one who asked Dusshasan to disrobe Panchali in a court full of men because in his eyes, she was nothing but a who're. He actually says so.
When the attempt failed, he asked Dusshasan to take Panchali to the (sex) slave house where she could perform her duties.
He asked Panchali to choose one of the Kauravas to have sex with.
He offered his own wife and children as slaves to anyone who could help him kill Arjuna and Krishna.
Karna's Anga was the hub of child and widow sex trafficking in Aryavarta.
In his conversation with Shalya, he insults lower castes and women.
He himself admits he did everything to please Duryodhana.
He himself admits all he wanted from Kurukshetra was to kill Arjuna.
His philanthropy and the depth of his friendship with another criminal is not an excuse for his criminality. *cough* Being Human *cough* Salman Khan *cough*
With re: his rejection of Krishna's offer. It wasn't a legit offer for many reasons, and Karna would've known it. Krishna also says later it is perfectly justified to lie to an enemy. Two minutes before Arjuna fires the fatal arrow, Krishna taunts Karna with everything that he did.
"Sanjaya said, 'Then Vasudeva, stationed on the car, addressed Karna, saying, "By good luck it is, O son of Radha, that thou rememberest virtue! It is generally seen that they that are mean, when they sink into distress, rail at Providence but never at their own misdeeds. Thyself and Suyodhana and Duhshasana and Shakuni, the son of Subala, had caused Draupadi, clad in a single piece of raiment, to be brought into the midst of the assembly. On that occasion, O Karna, this virtue of thine did not manifest itself. When at the assembly Shakuni, an adept in dice, vanquished Kunti's son Yudhishthira who was unacquainted with it, whither had this virtue of thine gone? When the Kuru king (Duryodhana), acting under thy counsels, treated Bhimasena in that way with the aid of snakes and poisoned food, whither had this virtue of thine then gone? When the period of exile into the woods was over as also the thirteenth year, thou didst not make over to the Pandavas their kingdom. Whither had this virtue of thine then gone? Thou didst set fire to the house of lac at Varanavata for burning to death the sleeping Pandavas. Whither then, O son of Radha, had this virtue of thine gone? Thou laughedest at Krishna while she stood in the midst of the assembly, scantily dressed because in her season and obedient to Duhshasana's will, whither, then, O Karna, had this virtue of thine gone? When from the apartment reserved for the females innocent Krishna was dragged, thou didst not interfere. Whither, O son of Radha, had this virtue of thine gone? Thyself addressing the princess Draupadi, that lady whose tread is as dignified as that of the elephant, in these words, viz., 'The Pandavas, O Krishna, are lost. They have sunk into eternal hell. Do thou choose another husband!' thou lookedest on the scene with delight. Whither then, O Karna, had this virtue of thine gone? Covetous of kingdom and relying on the ruler of the Gandharvas, thou summonedest the Pandavas (to a match of dice). Whither then had this virtue of thine gone? When many mighty car-warriors, encompassing the boy Abhimanyu in battle, slew him, whither had this virtue of thine then gone? If this virtue that thou now invokest was nowhere on those occasions, what is the use then of parching thy palate now, by uttering that word? Thou art now for the practice of virtue, O Suta, but thou shalt not escape with life.
Not only this, the greatest warrior Karna ran away from the battlefield leaving Duryodhana, His brothers, their wives and probably his wives at the mercy of Gandharvas
"a desire to kill the son of the suta, the immensely strong ones surrounded him from all sides, with swords, javelins, spears and maces. Some sliced off the yoke,38 others brought down the flagpole. Some brought down the shafts, the horses and the charioteer. Some sliced down the umbrella, others the fenders39 and the diadem. In many thousands, the gandharvas shattered the chariot. Holding a sword and a shield in his hand, the son of the suta jumped down from the chariot. He leapt onto Vikarnaās chariot and whipped the horses, so that he might escape.ā"
Even Duryodhana was greater warrior than the mighty Karna
"Vaishampayana said, āO great king! When maharatha Karna was routed by the gandharvas, in the sight of the sons of Dhritarashtra, the entire army fled. O great king! On seeing all the sons of Dhritarashtra flee, Duryodhana refused to run away.
Anupamaa
