Originally posted by: narobi
No bro sindhi is a different caste and also people originated from sindh, its the same for punjabi too, punjabi are different caste and surnames but also people originated from punjab. Like i know surnames jo sindhi hain jo punjabi hai, i am talking about hindus, idk anything in muslim sindhi/punjabi.
Ab mera close friend jain hai but born hai brought up in punjab so he is called punjabi jaini 😂 another friend baniya born and brought up in punjab, she is punjabi baniya. Its one and the same thing bas rituals thode alag hojate hain occasions pe infact mix hojate hain 😂because of regional influence.
Umm I got it what you meant punjabi nawab get it but still punjabi bhi alag hai inki.
And haan dara still i can say punjabi but shamsher and dilawar are not human names in punjab atleast not shamsher bro 😂 never even. I dont want to say kiska naam hai but you are mature enough to get it 😂
See geographically and etymologically I looked up all of this during the two years of COVID. There were a couple of confusions and misconceptions about "caste", "region" etc, which is not really taught to us unless we take up those studies.
The caste system is fairly new and very corrupt now...it originates from the Varna system i.e Brahmin, Kshtriya, Vaishya, Shudra. But now its interchangably used with a person's geographical identity...like you said about Sindhis. However Sindhi Hindus do not have a caste system ever since Raja Dahir abolished it. Still, Sindhis are said to be Lohana caste which descend from Raghukul.
There are a bunch of surnames which can be found in multiple regions. Like Chawla is a popular surname in both Sindhis and Punjabis. Sharma is another very generic surname which can be found anywhere in the country (idk if there are Sindhi Sharmas, but its popular in other regions like UP, even Nepal).
A person's ancestry decides who they are from. So like a person from Bihari or who has ancestry from Bihar is a Bihari. A person from Tamil Nadu or who has ancestry from Tamil Nadu is a Tamilian, and so on. Even after migration, their ancestry does not change.
Taking a foreign example, a person who is originally from Britain but takes up American citizenship will always be British-American...their future generations will be American with British ancestry if they don't take up British citizenship.
If an Indian takes up Canadian citizenship they'll be Canadian but their ancestry will be Indian and then from whatever region/state they belong to.
Coming to your friend's example, Jain is a religion so Punjabi Jain that way makes sense. Now idk if his family has ancestry in Punjab...since Jainism is mostly Gujaratis or Marwadis. Baniyas are merchant class right? So he's a Vaishya...that's a caste and not religion and I don't know his surname toh not sure of the details.
I give my example again because I fall into this category. My family is from North and my grandparents (both sides) had migrated to Mumbai. But that does not make me a Maharashtrian. It will make me a Mumbaikar but not a Maharashtrian. Neither will my kids be Maharashtrian unless I marry one...then they'll still be part.
Yes regional influence toh hota hi hai...for example my relatives up North don't celebrate Gudi Padwa but we do. My mom is fluent in Marathi, dad can speak a bit and I have been picking it up, but we don't speak our ancestral language fluently.
About Shamsher's family...well they haven't really given much background about them yet. Still its giving me more Punjab vibes. Not hardcore Punjabis (like Lahore), but it could be a region closer to Sindh, hence the mix up. Hence the dialect, language etc varies.
Lol I know what you mean by Shamsher not being human names but you'd be surprised to know I found a couple of them via my relatives today morning. 😆 All Punjabis...in fact there's some door ke rishtedaar ke in laws where one is married to a Shamsher, he's also Punjabi 😆
Anyways, just my two cents 😆
Edited by Ashley.Tisdale - 3 years ago