Kangana says sanskrit should be our national language. - Page 14

Originally posted by: aparnauma

How does one explain existence of temple for Ravan in Kerala? How can one explain consumption of Beef among Hindus in Kerala which is considered a sacrilege in many parts of North India? Why is Asura King Mahabali venerated in Kerala? So obviously there are differences. Co incidentally both were Shiv bhakts. While what Ravana did by kidnapping Sita is unpardonable he is still seen as a great figure among some parts of South India. So it cannot be said that no differences exist.

So Brahmin King Ravana, who was well versed in the Vedas, and ruled a city where Hanuman heard recitation of Vedic chanting is now a hero for these "dravidian" morons? 😆 Mate, Ravana being a brahmin, according to the AIT would make him more "Aryan" than Rama, who was a Kshatriya. 😆

These so-called Ravana temples are are no older than the British colonial era, not surprisingly, when this whole Aryan-Dravidian racist nonsense began.

^^ I suppose a case could be made for a Ravana temple if you “reverse engineer” the psychology behind a temple for Khusboo and Sonia Gandhi 😊

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17_

Well Rig Veda, Book 8, Hymn 96 only has 10 verses, so I don't know where you've lifted these from. 😆

Both Vishnu and Rudra aka Shiva, are mentioned and worshipped in the Rig Veda. Where do you get this nonsense from? 😆

I had checked Wiki source earlier.

If the reference is Rigveda Book 8, Hymn 96 :

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rig_Veda/Mandala_8/Hymn_97

There are only 8 verses.

If it is Mandala (Book 4, Hymn 96) then,

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rig_Veda/Mandala_9/Hymn_96

Verse 13 to 16 is the description of Somarasa. No mention of Krishna,

Reference for this is an article written in 2014 in Forward Press.

https://www.forwardpress.in/2014/08/asura-krishna-and-yadavs-brahmanised/#comments

Who are the publishers of this website?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Press

states, it was started by Silvia Maria Fernandes Kostka and Ivan Kostka in the name of empowering Dalits. (We can understand the real intentions). Wiki also brings out the article that was once published in this website on Mahushasura being a nice guy and Durga being a whore. This created a controversy in JNU.

True Indology bursted this fiction story passing off as mythology.

https://trueindology.wordpress.com/2016/02/27/jnu-and-the-saga-of-calumny.

Having said this, I am also trying to verify the original source from Sacred Text.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rvsan/rv08096.htm

Translation is not given.

उप भूष जरितर्मा रुवण्यः शरावया वाचं कुविदङग वेदत ||

अव दरप्सो अंशुमतीमतिष्ठदियानः कर्ष्णो दशभिः सहस्रैः |

आवत तमिन्द्रः शच्या धमन्तमप सनेहितीर्न्र्मणा अधत्त ||

दरप्समपश्यं विषुणे चरन्तमुपह्वरे नद्यो अंशुमत्याः |

नभो न कर्ष्णमवतस्थिवांसमिष्यामि वो वर्षणो युध्यताजौ ||

अध दरप्सो अंशुमत्या उपस्थे.अधारयत तन्वं तित्विषाणः |

I can see the word “Karshna” (not Krishna). There is definitely no “Asur”. But I am still trying to understand the context. With my little Sanskrit knowledge, it will take time.

To me, the word “Karshna” is used as adjective (“darkness”) than a person.

नभो न कर्ष्णमवतस्थिवांसमिष्यामि वो वर्षणो युध्यताजौ

Despite the clouds not being dark ( नभो न कर्ष्णम वतस्थिवां), it rained like war ( वो वर्षणो युध्यताजौ )

The line,

उप भूष जरितर्मा रुवण्यः शरावया वाचं कुविदङग वेदत

Whether the line is mentioning about “getting hurt from arrows” ( जरितर्मा शरावया ) , or is it speaking about “words piercing like arrows”. (शरावया वाचं कुविदङग वेदत ); I wonder.

As I said, it needs time (to understand on our own). It is a struggle for people from Science and tech background to decipher the text using our high school and pre uni Sanskrit knowledge. Even though our basic knowledge tells us this is not true, we are not equipped enough to counter an established narrative.

I may not want Sanskrit as a connecting language. But I desperately want our Indian government to promote Sanskrit and history scholarships and produce scholars who can translate the original text. This will stop us relying on western scholars’s translation (who will distort the meaning, according to their agenda).

Spurious websites (forwardpress.in?) and crummy English ("you killed Krishna Asur by lowering your face and you obtained cows"?) aside, where is this Anshumati river and why is it not showing up on my Google maps?

By the way, you guys are being unfair! You didn't include all the references to Krishna in the Rig Veda. Here's one more:

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/radha-krishna/5168503/sleet-of-emotional-quivers-on-radhakrishn-eternal-love-cc-9

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

I had checked Wiki source earlier.

If the reference is Rigveda Book 8, Hymn 96 :

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rig_Veda/Mandala_8/Hymn_97

There are only 8 verses.

If it is Mandala (Book 4, Hymn 96) then,

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rig_Veda/Mandala_9/Hymn_96

Verse 13 to 16 is the description of Somarasa. No mention of Krishna,

Reference for this is an article written in 2014 in Forward Press.

https://www.forwardpress.in/2014/08/asura-krishna-and-yadavs-brahmanised/#comments

Who are the publishers of this website?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Press

states, it was started by Silvia Maria Fernandes Kostka and Ivan Kostka in the name of empowering Dalits. (We can understand the real intentions). Wiki also brings out the article that was once published in this website on Mahushasura being a nice guy and Durga being a whore. This created a controversy in JNU.

True Indology bursted this fiction story passing off as mythology.

https://trueindology.wordpress.com/2016/02/27/jnu-and-the-saga-of-calumny.

Here is the full translation of hymn 96. No mention of Krishna anywhere.

1. As, Sakra, thou with Manu called Vivasvan drankest Soma juice, As, Indra, thou didst love the hymn by Trita's side, so dost thou joy with Ayu now. 2. As thou with Matarisvan, Medhya, Prsadhra, hast cheered thee Indra, with pressed juice, Drunk Soma with Rjunas, Syumarasmi, by Dasonya's Dasasipra's side. 3. 'Tis he who made the lauds his own and boldly drank the Soma juice, He to whom Visnu came striding his three wide steps, as Mitra's statutes ordered it. 4. In whose laud thou didst joy, Indra, at the great deed, O Satakratu, Mighty One! Seeking renown we call thee as the milkers call the cow who yields abundant milk. 5. He is our Sire who gives to us, Great, Mighty, ruling as he wills. Unsought, may he the Strong, Rich, Lord of ample wealth, give us of horses and of kine. 6. He to whom thou, Good Lord, givest that he may give increases wealth that nourishes. Eager for wealth we call on Indra, Lord of wealth, on Satakratu with our lauds. 7. Never art thou neglectful: thou guardest both races with thy care. The call on Indra, fourth Aditya! is thine own. Amrta is stablished in the heavens. 8. The offerer whom thou, Indra, Lover of the Song, liberal Maghavan, favourest,- As at the call of Kanva so, O gracious Lord, hear, thou our songs and eulogy. 9. Sung is the song of ancient time: to Indra have ye said the prayer. They have sung many a Brhati of sacrifice, poured forth the worshipper's many thoughts. 10. Indra hath tossed together mighty stores of wealth, and both the worlds, yea, and the Sun. Pure, brightly-shining, mingled with the milk, the draughts of Soma have made Indra glad.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rig_Veda/Mandala_8/Hymn_96

I'm not surprised that the member posted a set of completely fabricated verses. 😆

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Spurious websites (forwardpress.in?) and crummy English ("you killed Krishna Asur by lowering your face and you obtained cows"?) aside, where is this Anshumati river and why is it not showing up on my Google maps?

By the way, you guys are being unfair! You didn't include all the references to Krishna in the Rig Veda. Here's one more:

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/radha-krishna/5168503/sleet-of-emotional-quivers-on-radhakrishn-eternal-love-cc-9

Lmao, so she knows that Asura does not mean demon in Rig Veda, and that they do not refer natives of India, that they were a class of deities that were worshipped by the rivals of Vedic tribes, the Iranians, who by the way were defeated by Sudas in the Battle of the 10 Kings, whence they migrated westwards! and yet she's trying to pass off these fabricated verses in trying to show Krishna was some "native" who fought Aryan invaders! 😆 If Krishna was an Asura, then he should be mentioned in the ancient Iranian texts, since they worshipped Ahura (Asura) and despised the Devas (Daevas), no such mention! 😆

Sorry Empty, I lost you at "whence"!

J/K

Krsna (whose son was Visvaka) was mentioned as an author/composer in Rig Veda. Belonged to Angirases priestly family. The 10 mandalas were attributed to 10 different priestly families.

I can speak about Tamilnadu as I have travelled extensively here looking out for temples.

I have never seen a single Ravana temple ancient or recent or him being worshipped here ever.

Do not confuse political propaganda of self proclaimed Atheist politicians with religious beliefs of the Hindus in the state.

I have seen several temples of Rama though. Largest shrine of Rama is in Kumbakonam known as Ramaswamy temple with almost 6 feet tall idols of Rama Lakshmana Sita With Bharat Shatrughan and Hanuman by their side

In rural hinterlands if you ask someone would you name your son Ravan response will always be he was “kettavan” a bad guy.

Never found a Duryodhan other than in movies

Andhra has one temple that I have heard of in Kakinada that has a statue of Ravan worshiping Shiva

ofcourse Bali is worshipped extensively in Kerala and parts of TN but he was a good guy and deserves the worship

people are so illiterate about our own mythologies that they think a golden skin fair Brahmin Ravan was a Dravidian inspite of him robbing the kingdom of Lanka from his brother though he was born and educated in UP. His wife from Mandodari from present day MP and dark skinned Kshatriya Rama was an Aryan just bcoz he came from Ayodhya

If only people bothered to read Ramayana would they know where Ravan was born where he gained his education that his father Vishrava was a Brahmin Rishi and that he had fair skin

That is why I support Kangana’s statement that Sanskrit must be revived for people to atleast be able to read ancient scriptures instead of watching stupid TV serials and get misguided

To all the great people who claim those verses don't exist, here you go.

I became lazy and instead of going to the text and searching for the verses, I Googled and gave you the wrong book.

But after some incredible minds here claimed it couldn't possibly be true, I thought I'd better get you the texts.

It's book 8, hymn 96. In SANSKRIT.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rvsan/rv08096.htm

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

I can see how it could get confusing to some even after 122+ days of "visit streak" and 6k+ posts.

I don't see anyone making a claim here that Vedas and Puranas are the same; straw man fallacy to distort an argument and attack that distortion.

There is absolutely nothing inaccurate about viewing the Upanishads (the Vedanta, the end portion of a Veda), as a subcategory or a subtext or a part of the Vedas. To ridicule this position as somehow being analogous to propounding that the earth is flat is, preposterous! And since the discourse in Upanishads is presented in a narrative form, they are simpler to understand, relatively speaking, than Vedas which are in essence the literal sounds of the Divine.

And what does my commenting on Bollywood have to do with needing to remember IF is not the place for talking about texts?

And yes, the poster I responded to claimed exactly that puranas are a simplified version of vedas.

And wow, I feel important! You all actually went to my profile and pulled up posts to discuss. I don't think in all my *visit streak* and umpteen number of posts, I've ever felt invested enough to dig up someone's old posts, but hey, you do you. 😆

Go ahead and translate the actual Book 8 and Hymn 96 from Sanskrit. (Link in prior post)

While you are at it, you might want to actually verify that Indra and Krishna actually were enemies. It's pretty clear in Mbh, SB, and HV.

And also note that Rig Veda is an INDRA centric text. Aryans worshipped Indra. Not Vishnu, not Shiva.

But wilful ignorance has no cure. So you will continue with the same.

Edited to add: the irony of people arguing Book 8, hymn 96 doesn't exist because they didn't find the English translation! The same people who put themselves up as supporters of Sanskrit and all things native.

Fun part is y'all don't even seem to realize Asuras would have been Aryan, too.

I was citing that that mainly to emphasize Vishnu worship started in India, not outside.

And Krishna was dark, not the fair skinned Farex baby shown on TV.

Edit 2: my friend who actually understands Sanskrit tells me he would interpret the verses as Indra HELPING the cowherd on the banks of Amshumati to beat back the dark hordes.

That would go against the plot in the Krishna-specifc texts, but it is an interpretation