Kangana says sanskrit should be our national language. - Page 13

Originally posted by: Medha_Sree

Y don’t u keep calm n stop going personal . end of discussion , ok .

When someone says the earth is flat, and I rebut it, it's not a discussion. Simply a rebuttal of misinformation. But you double down on it without even bothering to check.

No further interest in this. Believe what you will.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

When someone says the earth is flat, and I rebut it, it's not a discussion. Simply a rebuttal of misinformation. But you double down on it without even bothering to check.

No further interest in this. Believe what you will.

Lack of self awareness , I am not interested , u quoted n started ur misinformation , keep ur believes n misinformation with u .

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Tamil is the oldest language CURRENTLY in use. Jury has long agreed on it.😊

And btw, one of the agreements when the southern kingdoms agreed to join the union was re: language. Without it, there would've been no India.

Doesn't matter to us how many Hindi speakers there are.

Try imposing it by force, and you'll find yourself without the part south of the Vindhyas.

Oh... and yet another suggestion. Make English the national language if it's all about the economy and not at all about nativism. What's that? English is not an Indian language?😆 I thought the demand for Hindi as common language was all about practicality and economics. So Hindi as a language native to India shouldn’t matter, should it?

For practical purposes, English would work much better because almost all south Indians are taught English although they are comfortable with it to varying degrees. North East Indians, Bengalis, etc are also familiar with it.

lol even with your new caveat, how did oldest anything (whether language, culture, customs) become a useful criteria? See, we had a lot of old apes. Later we had the cave man. Then the guys and their damsels with bows and arrows, hunting each other for sport. Heck, you might even find some of them today living in their prehistoric habitat somewhere. Get the drift? Evolution? Point is most of us do prefer the more recent human variations, even though they might not appeal to some people.

as it turns out, Tamil is not even the most spoken or preferred language down south, as the link below shows. Given the time it has had to spread through history, we should have expected more penetration. Look i am not passing any qualitative judgment on the language. Am sure it is beautiful to its adherents and that's why we have such passionate voices for it. But for whatever reason, outside the state, it has not been adopted. Perhaps its not easy to learn.

as for english, where are you going next? McDonalds as the national food because that's english?🤣 At the end of the day, there has to be a sense of Indian ethos and roots that reflect our heritage.

and now for your last point about the southern kingdoms "agreeing" to join the union, are you kidding? Patel would have kicked people into the union, like it or not. We drove the portuguese out. The other mighty rulers all fell in line, even though we took away their privy purse. And no offense, but the Tamils could not pevail over a tiny country like Sri Lankan. And you're talking about India as if its a joke! Very offensive even to be talking partition!😡

now, for the facts. Please see link below. As they say, your opinions are your own. Not the facts. 😉You were not even right about english being very familiar. It's at 10%, with only 260K english as first speakers in a country of over 1.3 billion! Pathetic level of adoption.

More than one million speakers[edit]

The 2011 census recorded 31 individual languages as having more than 1 million native speakers (0.1% of total population). The languages in bold are scheduled languages (the only scheduled language with less than 1 million native speakers is Sanskrit). The first table is restricted to only speaking populations for scheduled languages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers_in_India

basically, Tamil is at 6% of total speakers in India, behind Hindi at 57%, Bengali at 8.8%, Marathi at 8.2% and barely ahead of Gujrat. Not many takers for it. Sorry😉

Originally posted by: aparnauma

Krishna also means dark/ black. South Indians are dark complexioned and Asuras are always portrayed as people with dark complexion. How did all this happen? And we criticise Caucasians for being racists as if we Indians are any less😛

lol are we going to be cherry-picking now? the same "scholarly" crowd that folks have been relying on for the half-baked AMT theories have discredited the presence of asuras. And yet we have built up edifices around it trying to come up with a distinct "dravidian religion"?

by the way, from everything gathered so far, seems like the opportunity to do ravan worship and the fixation on Krishna being dark or fair seems to have been the driving need to come up with some of the hypothesis here.

i think someone talked about beef eating as one of the differences between "dravidian culture" and the rest and tried to make that into a religious difference. Very forced imo.... because as it turns out, I dont think there are any strictures against beef eating in our ancient texts. Someone can cite something if they find.

That said, i think it's great to knock off the red meats and the cholesterol heavy coconut condiments from the cuisine. Not very healthy especially given how many people in the country suffer from heart disease... and not very friendly to the environment and to water conservation. Hey, I am just trying, though I dont have high hopes of being able to convince people fixated on their habits.😆

also, someone mentioned ravan worship in some places down south. I dont see anyone naming their kids as ravan. So wonder what's with that.

incidentally, I wonder if the strong preference for Buddhism in Sri Lanka has something to do with the fact that the villain of the story Ravan was supposed to be from Lanka? That could not have been nice.... and must have knocked off Ramayan from the list of readings.😆

Sorry for the late reply.

Last two weeks I have been travelling and visiting ancient temples in Tamil Nadu. The ones in villages and small towns. 3 of these temples have a hero stone (proclaiming the glory of the king who built the temple and bestowed it agriculture lands for its maintenance. The Hero stones date 1 of the temple to 8th Century CE (2813) years to be precise The language of the inscription is P Proto Sanskrit and the script it is written is Brahmi. This was a Vishnu (Perumal) temple.

Similar was other two which had 10th century CE hero stones but they had Tamil inscriptions in Brahmi Script

Just two points

Sanskrit and Tamil existed and proliferated together and even shared a common script Brahmi.

people are just being ridiculous idiots fighting over Hindi and Other regional languages in tweets and posts that are in English. And they really are unable to see the irony in that.

About Asur.

Names Sura and Asura rose to prominence on account of the Samudra Manthana episode

Sura is another name for wine though in rigvedic context it is used colloquially for Soma/ Amrita . Consumer of Sura were Devas.
Rigvedic epithets for Indra and other Devas is the drinker of Sura

sUra (Pronounced as Shura) means brave. Term Asura/sura have no connection to Shura or bravery

Asura are the ones who did not drink sura

Asura does not mean evil or demons

similarly Danava Daitya and Rakshasa also does not mean evil

Danava is matronym. Name derived from mother’s name

Like Pritha’s sons were called Partha or Radha’s Radheya

similarly sons of Danu (Rishi Kashyap’s third wife Danu) were called Danava

Sons of Diti (Rishi Kashyap’s second wife Diti) were called Daitya

Sons of Raksha grandson of Diti who saved his mother’s life (Diti’s daughter in law) when she was pregnant from her womb were given the surname Rakshas

similarly Adityas (Indra Surya and rest of the 10 brothers) are all called Aditya for being Aditi (Kashyap’s first wife Aditi) sons

During Samudra Manthan Aditya boys got the Sura with Mohini (Vishnu avatar) help and Diti Danu and Raksha’s sons were denied it ( Basically Adityas appointed as royalty or rulers of three worlds and their step brothers were denied it)

so Adityas became popular as Sura the wine drinkers and their step brothers as Asura the one who did not get to drink wine.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I should remember I'm on IF.

I can see how it could get confusing to some even after 122+ days of "visit streak" and 6k+ posts.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

No, they are not. Vedas are different from upanishads and puranas.

I don't see anyone making a claim here that Vedas and Puranas are the same; straw man fallacy to distort an argument and attack that distortion.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

When someone says the earth is flat, and I rebut it, it's not a discussion. Simply a rebuttal of misinformation.

There is absolutely nothing inaccurate about viewing the Upanishads (the Vedanta, the end portion of a Veda), as a subcategory or a subtext or a part of the Vedas. To ridicule this position as somehow being analogous to propounding that the earth is flat is, preposterous! And since the discourse in Upanishads is presented in a narrative form, they are simpler to understand, relatively speaking, than Vedas which are in essence the literal sounds of the Divine.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

With re: Vedic religion. The Aryans started with Indra worship. In fact, Rig Veda calls Krishna an asur leader of the dark hordes.

Book 8, Hymn 96 :

Verse 13: “An Asur called Krishna lived on the banks of river Anshumati. He moved fast and travelled along with ten thousand armies. Indra located that shouting Asur using his intelligence and in the interest of humanity, destroyed his murderous armies.”

Verse 14: “Indra said, I have seen the Krishna Asur who roams around the caves on the banks of river Anshumati. He is stationed in water like the shining sun. O’ Maruts, the fulfiller of wishes, I want you for the battle, you kill him in battle.”

Verse 15: “Fast-moving Krishna Asur lived on the banks of river Anshumati. He was shining. Indra slew the black, invading armies with the help of Vrihaspati.”

Verse 17: “O’ wielder of the bolt, Indra, you have done this. As a matchless warrior, you destroyed the power of Krishna using your bolt. With your weapons, for the welfare of the people, you killed Krishna Asur by lowering your face and you obtained cows from the enemy using your power.”

Subsequently, when the invaders/migrants interbred with the original inhabitants, they started adopting the traditions and practices.

So to say Vedic religion is being imposed would be inaccurate when neither Vishnu worship nor Shiva worship came from the Aryans.

But Aryanization is certainly there.

Well Rig Veda, Book 8, Hymn 96 only has 10 verses, so I don't know where you've lifted these from. 😆

Both Vishnu and Rudra aka Shiva, are mentioned and worshipped in the Rig Veda. Where do you get this nonsense from? 😆

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

It was COMPILED by Vyasa. Same era as Krishna

🤣... the Mahabharata and Ramayana, are post-Rig Vedic texts, post-Vedic actually. Veda Vyasa is not mentioned anywhere in the Rig Veda. Devaki-Putra Krishna definitely did not live during the Rig Vedic period, that was a much earlier era. 😆