Pandya Store|Episode Discussion #194 - Page 71

Originally posted by: Yahvi

While I agree to some part of it & some of this is beautifully written but this might look good on paper but it's not looking good on screen in my opinion (or many) but it's okay everyone has an opinion..

But what I understood from all this is that they ARE going overboard with these hugs.. I've seen & experienced being in platonic relationship with someone where you can be their center of universe.. But it's not coming out on screen...

There is no comparison of Dhara & Raavi surely but I would say there's a lot that transpire what we write on paper & what comes on screen..

I've always said this that Dhara's character is very good on papers but in my opinion Shiny is not being able to do the justice to it.. That's why these nuances are not getting out.. Surely wearing backless blouse & age difference shouldn't matter much but in reality it does.. Especially on screen your get up & look helps a lot in connecting with character,thats why in arts like drama & dance makeup & costumes play a major role.. bcz the character makes us go with the journey with them.. We try to find our everyday person in them & try to relate that character with them.. For me shiny as dhara fails to evoke this connection..

For Raavi.. It's absolutely true that this show is not written from her POV & yes on papers Raavi is not that strong character but Alice's understanding of Raavi & her depiction is so good that you can't help but feel every emotion of her.. You want to see her point of view, you find yourself in her & her emotions hurts you personally.. I've experienced it.. I've tried to consciously make effort to not get hurt due to Raavi's hurt.. When I don't get Raavi's POV.. I get a void in myself..

I think that's the main problem happening with this show.. They are trying to show from Dhara's point of view but viewers aren't getting connect with her (mostly, not just me but I've seen everyone in my family especially & many others) & viewers are getting connected with Raavi but aren't getting her POV & it's letting them down..

You can't make love someone by making other disappear.. That's what Pandya store makers are trying to do.. They know the fact that audience is more connected with Raavi but they are making her disappear & trying to shove dhara in our face so that audience love her.. That's not how it works, especially in my case.. I would rather leave watching the show..

Originally posted by: Yahvi

While I agree to some part of it & some of this is beautifully written but this might look good on paper but it's not looking good on screen in my opinion (or many) but it's okay everyone has an opinion..

But what I understood from all this is that they ARE going overboard with these hugs.. I've seen & experienced being in platonic relationship with someone where you can be their center of universe.. But it's not coming out on screen...

There is no comparison of Dhara & Raavi surely but I would say there's a lot that transpire what we write on paper & what comes on screen..

I've always said this that Dhara's character is very good on papers but in my opinion Shiny is not being able to do the justice to it.. That's why these nuances are not getting out.. Surely wearing backless blouse & age difference shouldn't matter much but in reality it does.. Especially on screen your get up & look helps a lot in connecting with character,thats why in arts like drama & dance makeup & costumes play a major role.. bcz the character makes us go with the journey with them.. We try to find our everyday person in them & try to relate that character with them.. For me shiny as dhara fails to evoke this connection..

For Raavi.. It's absolutely true that this show is not written from her POV & yes on papers Raavi is not that strong character but Alice's understanding of Raavi & her depiction is so good that you can't help but feel every emotion of her.. You want to see her point of view, you find yourself in her & her emotions hurts you personally.. I've experienced it.. I've tried to consciously make effort to not get hurt due to Raavi's hurt.. When I don't get Raavi's POV.. I get a void in myself..

I think that's the main problem happening with this show.. They are trying to show from Dhara's point of view but viewers aren't getting connect with her (mostly, not just me but I've seen everyone in my family especially & many others) & viewers are getting connected with Raavi but aren't getting her POV & it's letting them down..

You can't make love someone by making other disappear.. That's what Pandya store makers are trying to do.. They know the fact that audience is more connected with Raavi but they are making her disappear & trying to shove dhara in our face so that audience love her.. That's not how it works, especially in my case.. I would rather leave watching the show..

That's really a sad reality because motherly figures are supposed to dress a certain way? They need to look old, wear clothing that lacks any appeal. Society puts such labels and sadly we all contribute to it in some way or other. Shiny isn't great, and I pinpoint her acting prowess most of the time but I really don't see why Dhara should be hammered for loving the family. She can smother bit figures like her exist in the world. I will reiterate again it's not Dhara Vs Raavi

Originally posted by: Transference

That's really a sad reality because motherly figures are supposed to dress a certain way? They need to look old, wear clothing that lacks any appeal. Society puts such labels and sadly we all contribute to it in some way or other. Shiny isn't great, and I pinpoint her acting prowess most of the time but I really don't see why Dhara should be hammered for loving the family. She can smother bit figures like her exist in the world. I will reiterate again it's not Dhara Vs Raavi

Actually that's the point.. If Dhara was a character who shattered these societal norms & stereotypes I would have liked her but it's shown time & again that she rather supports these stereotypes by telling her younger SILs to dress accordingly as there are other males around or be in the limits while talking & behaving with others, even her husband.. That time she remember their maryadas... She is actually shown someone who also supports stereotypes like guys shouldn't wash woman clothes & all.. Her clothes look more of actress choice rather than character demand, ideally it shouldn't be discussed if her we got connected to her despite her clothing choices but as we don't (not just online audience I assure you) these things come into notice more

Originally posted by: Goodluckok

But alice won't have it...

Vegetarian orrrrrr 😌😌

I mean pulao😆

Originally posted by: Palak2812

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I missed reading this..😬

Has anyone followed how this whole ‘nuance narrative’ of Dhara-Shiva bond started???

out of curiosity went back on this forum to check. The bombarding of sappy wordplays & claims of ‘show is from Dhara Shiva pov’ started AFTER

Raavi started connecting with the viewers more - to be precise post Shaadi episodes.

Till then it was all about family bonds- dhara AND GOMBI’s bond with boys.

Slowly gombi was pushed out of nuances. Boys were put on back burner. It became about Dhara , and clubbed her to Shiva to keep the ShiVi craze intact.

Telling ya: we live in the age of narratives & influencers. It’s reality.

Show was in phases - original & hindi versions are written that way.

ShiVi were & are going to be protagonists - they have been in every version of this adaption.

Suman & Dhara are Mothers , and they will go , fluctuate with story flows.

Post leap the balance was & is required. Post 2nd marriage with love of his life- Raavi , showing Shiva becoming his own man+ prioritizing his wife and life + keeping the respect intact yet not going complete minion with Bhabhi is required.

That’s the reason Dhara’s overdose pushes people off. Vocal fans say this, neutrals say this, not on social media family members of many says this & numbers are the proof.

In recent trends- numbers, Show topped in UK for ShiVi Shaadi of 3 days when Bhabhi had minimal dialogues. & was in background.

It didnot when Dhara was after shiva with her planning plotting cupping cheeks. At this stage of their journey, people are applauding Shiva’s eyes lighting up, smile brightening up seeing Raavi, being with Raavi.

If they want to force Dhara doing that- something is terribly wrong, no? Let Dhara light up at Gombi’s actions?! Please?

Merani was also posting he loves Dhara shiva bond & scenes, enjoying it. All PR on force out:) lol.

Originally posted by: Transference

Respect your opinion but don't agree with it. There’s huge chunk of offline viewers in my family, friends and peers who absolutely love the show and Dhara Shiva hugs too. I don't find Raavi being underwritten. They have given her an arc and which is in contrast to Shiva. That's how usually couples are written to be potrayed. Shiny falters in many emotional scenes, but her scenes with Shiva are the best ones. KD and Shiny bring out the best in each other. There's no sidelining of Raavi. The whole show gives importance to all characters in different ways. Gaumbi had his turn to shine too. My peer group loves the show and is not present online. It's okay not to like what you see, as it's okay to love what you see. Entertainment is subjective, and let's leave it at that.

It's okay if you don't agree.. I too joined online audience group rather late.. I only used to watch on TV & when I joined online platform, I was happy to see that it's not only me who don't get connect with Dhara's character.. Online audience have very bad reputation that they don't matter.. But actually they are representative of general audience as in like a randomized control trial, this show's TRP has been consistent with online viewrs likes & dislikes.. But it's good if you are enjoying those scenes 👍

Originally posted by: Yahvi

Actually that's the point.. If Dhara was a character who shattered these societal norms & stereotypes I would have liked her but it's shown time & again that she rather supports these stereotypes by telling her younger SILs to dress accordingly as there are other males around or be in the limits while talking & behaving with others, even her husband.. That time she remember their maryadas... She is actually shown someone who also supports stereotypes like guys shouldn't wash woman clothes & all.. Her clothes look more of actress choice rather than character demand, ideally it shouldn't be discussed if her we got connected to her despite her clothing choices but as we don't (not just online audience I assure you) these things come into notice more

She was hypocritical at that point when she was reprimanding Rishita for kissing that in the Angan. No doubt about that. I actually fail to understand most of the time why so much hatred for Dhara in totality. She is a flawed character and many women in conservative homes in villages wear backless choli-western UP for instance. Anyway, my response is simply for Shiva Dhara bond and shall remain so. I like what Dhara wears and she indeed looks dainty in that. Thats surely not reason enough for me to not enjoy Shiva Dhara scenes. I am leaving it at at that because our views wouldn’t match.
I don’t mix reel and real and the whole cast works very hard to put up the show together. Love all of the characters on screen and Shiva tops them all.

Mothers.

Do they have to dress certain way - nope.

Is that the conclusion creatives have come up with ? Where as real issue is: actor playing Dhara’s inability to ACT motherly?

May be. Looks like it.

Good case studies of mothers , how they act with with grown up children: Anupama, Suman, any baa/ aai/ taai// amma.

Do they cup their adult children’s faces- yes. But not the way Dhara does.

Look at virat’s scenes with his aai, taai, kaku & all— you’ll see the difference.

Look at Anupama’ or any baa’s scenes with their children- you’ll see the difference.

Look at Suman’s soft scenes with Shiva, Dev, Krish, Gombi - you’ll see the difference.

In real life: look at in 40s moms: malaika Arora and her son, Madhuri & her son, So many….
you’ll see how mothers behave. No matter however modern you are.

it’s not about dressing- it’s about how you act.

Dhara’s doesn’t work: because she acts same with Gombi as she does with shiva.

(Also note: she doesn’t act that way with Krish- Leadben goes soft motherly with Krish. But misses with Shiva & dev)

Originally posted by: spdp

Has anyone followed how this whole ‘nuance narrative’ of Dhara-Shiva bond started???

out of curiosity went back on this forum to check. The bombarding of sappy wordplays & claims of ‘show is from Dhara Shiva pov’ started AFTER

Raavi started connecting with the viewers more - to be precise post Shaadi episodes.

Till then it was all about family bonds- dhara AND GOMBI’s bond with boys.

Slowly gombi was pushed out of nuances. Boys were put on back burner. It became about Dhara , and clubbed her to Shiva to keep the ShiVi craze intact.

Telling ya: we live in the age of narratives & influencers. It’s reality.

Show was in phases - original & hindi versions are written that way.

ShiVi were & are going to be protagonists - they have been in every version of this adaption.

Suman & Dhara are Mothers , and they will go , fluctuate with story flows.

Post leap the balance was & is required. Post 2nd marriage with love of his life- Raavi , showing Shiva becoming his own man+ prioritizing his wife and life + keeping the respect intact yet not going complete minion with Bhabhi is required.

That’s the reason Dhara’s overdose pushes people off. Vocal fans say this, neutrals say this, not on social media family members of many says this & numbers are the proof.

Show topped in UK for ShiVi Shaadi of 3 days when Bhabhi had minimal dialogues. & was in background.

It didnot when Dhara was after shiva with her planning plotting cupping cheeks.

That's actually true.. Though I was not very active on social media & was not a member of IF but I was on Twitter due to my work related stuff & used to check ps # sometimes, during disha track too this narrative was trying to place that Raavi is merely a love interest of Shiva & Shiva & Dhara was main protagonist.. Actually it was the first time I think makers got a dose of how much Raavi is getting connect with viewers so much, even more so than Shiva at times, after that it was repeatedly tried to make her out of picture, dobi word was used to a point of irritation but numbers didn't help.. I don't know what's the desperation to not go according to viewers point of view but what can we do.. At this point I got completely detached.. Shiva Dhara bond never compelled me to watch the show & it never will