The Best of Aditya Kumar Tripathi!!! - Page 6

Originally posted by: nmurali

So in conclusion, no matter how much a Man mucks everything up He is NEVER to blame, its always someone else's fault.

The world we live in!!!

Such Disappointment.

Oh never, a man is not to be blamed ever.

After all, he became her hero when he realised he loved Imlie.

How can he be blamed? No way.

Originally posted by: wizardofoz2

Adi is a flawed character or aam aadmi reacting the way most of us would under similar circumstances. He was not meant to be inspirational. GM played akt so beautifully that one could not but love and hate akt at the same time. Sumeer had explosive chemistry which lead to the rage for adilie that will be always be etched in our hearts. Like tp said core characteristics of adi were deliberately changed so much more for the worse than needed to make him seem totally unworthy of imlie.

Okay! Let's start at the very beginning then.

What Aam Aadmi would chose to die rather than marry?

An Aam Aadmi is man who worries about his family, first and foremost. He is the man who makes provisions for his family, even after he dies. He does not want to die because his family depends on him.

He was meant to be inspirational since the day he chose to die rather than marry. Only a person who is meant to be a hero would chose to die than carry on living.

I am sorry to say this, but when he chose to die rather than live, he ceased to be an Aam Aadmi.

And even that didn't inspire me, because that meant he would rather decide to stop living instead of facing a situation head on.

No doubt GM played AKT brilliantly, and I have nothing to say about his chemistry with Sumbul, and AdiLie too, as I already said, I get AdiLie, I may not understand, but I get it.

But what are the core characteristics that were deliberately changed?

He chose to die rather than live.

He chose to not wait when he didn't want to marry Malini.

He chose himself first when he refused to marry Imlie.

He chose himself when he deleted the video.

He chose to lash out at Imlie when he didn't want her to be his wife.

He chose to lash out at Imlie when he wanted her to be his wife.

Originally posted by: timepassing

Oh, it's OK. It's not like time was being spent usefully at other times when I was not explaining Aditya's arc and replying to something else on the forum 😜

Happy to have any duscussion as long as it is respectful and doesn't turn into fighting, like it does on twitter!

I am glad that you've found this a healthy discussion.

I aim to be as respectful of your views as you are mine.

Originally posted by: Goddy2010

People have already decided in their heads that AKT is bad. With that thought, if they watch the previous episode they will see him as villain only. How much ever long essays we write, people will be only at that point just like how Imlie was eating Adi’s head by saying Malini didi

I can't say much about people, but I did not decide AKT is bad just because of ASR's arc in the show. This is ITV dude. Obviously they have to flush out the character that is insignificant to the show after the one performing it decided to leave the show.

I am actively watching some previous episodes and I have yet to find something good.

It's as simple as that.

Originally posted by: timepassing

His character development was within the scope of how the story is written! The interpretation of his character is from the assumption that the situations in the story are what happened in real, not something that can be changed. So if the story had been written to where he revealed the truth to Malini of the forced wedding, and Mlaini has either chosen to not marry him or have him divorce Imlie or complain to the police about the practice of forced weddings in Pag Dandia, the serial would have finished in the first 50 episodes! Would his use of words pf apni jagah and aukaat been less wrong if Imlie's character had been 22 instead of 18, a college going kid whose dream was to pursue a PG degree or some other competitive exam? If we argue that the character should have been written differently, I can point that out for almost every character in the serial. Satyakam who is supposedly this revolutionary rebel leader who fights for justice for the villagers supposedly would not have let this happen if he had been there when the wedding happened. Shouldn't the doting father have come after his teenaged daughter who was forcefully married off to a visiting journalist? And what's more, knowing that the wedding was forced upon both of them, and knowing he had another family, though it justified to come and act as a vigilante because at some point, a lady whom he loves/loved was cheated by an urban babu, and hence all urban babus are bad! So there are many probelms with the general characterization and the story itself. And the interpretations we make for the characters are within the confines of how they have been written.

It's not like the character could have gone off to do the right thing by himself, if the story demanded something else of him entirely. Here's where I guess the credit goes to the actor, in making an extremely problematic character like that of Aditya relatable and somewhat likeable. And believe me, the forum at one point used to be fun to come to, and not be this constant barrage of threads and people trying to virtue signal, because the old members were watching it for what it was, a fictional story, and not really looking to take any inspiration or life lessons out of it. So we have been as critical of Aditya as a character as we have liked him, according to how the story was progressing!

In that vein, I find ASR's characteristic as a boss also extremely problematic. But it's drama and hence meant to be OTT, and beyond the problematic storyline, his characterization, as a complete opposite to that of Aditya's is quite nice!

Bold : This is a strawman as well as a false equivalency, and you know it. Whether Imlie would have been 60 is irrelevant to the fact that Aditya, the employer, did a show of power on Imlie, the employee financially and even socially subservient and dependant on him. That's workplace abuse. No boss in the world can remind people of their jagah and aukat no matter the position of the employee.

Aryan, at least, pays his employees. Exacts rent from them when they inhabit a room in his house.

Go ahead and critique Aryan but please let's not resort to "this is only fiction" when convenient. If his characterisation cannot be criticised as if the events happened in real then there would be no need to make excuses for him with the incessant and, at this point, redundant invocation of the word "flawed"

Anyhow, all art is criticised with the social milieu in which it's produced. Because frame of references and meanings come from that social context itself. Any English teacher teaching Paradise Lost also lectures about the English Civil War simultaneously because while, yes, Paradise Lost is a fictional narrative based on the Bible and can be read only within the text, reading it contexually helps us reach less distorted interpretations. Like I said, within the confines of the text, AKT comes across as a raging narcissist even if I pretend that any thing goes in Imlieland.

Everyone watches ITV to enjoy mindless things, but please let's not insult ourselves by pretending that fiction has no social contingencies or ramifications. What would be the point of literature or fine arts degrees if we resort to "it's only fiction" only when convenient?

Originally posted by: wizardofoz2

Adi is a flawed character or aam aadmi reacting the way most of us would under similar circumstances. He was not meant to be inspirational. GM played akt so beautifully that one could not but love and hate akt at the same time. Sumeer had explosive chemistry which lead to the rage for adilie that will be always be etched in our hearts. Like tp said core characteristics of adi were deliberately changed so much more for the worse than needed to make him seem totally unworthy of imlie.

Whence has this aam admi narrative come? Canonically, Aditya is an English-educated Brahmin heterosexual man with the power to build up public narratives. He dated a rich woman for seven years and has an inheritence of 1.25 crores in inmovable assets in a metropole like Delhi. What were his core characterstics? Narcissism and using the women in his life as cope-outs so that he never has to take responsibility for the hard decisions he takes?

Those core characters haven't been destroyed.

Sorry yaar. I beg to diagree. It is not necessary that you need to get inspired by every character u watch. While watching a story somewhere u get connected to it and start investing ur time in the characters and story. Adi is one such character who had nice progression in the stroy and were able to relate to him at various levels. In fact he is the only character I was able to connect until 270 episodes .

Originally posted by: komaliyaaa

Oh never, a man is not to be blamed ever.

After all, he became her hero when he realised he loved Imlie.

How can he be blamed? No way.

A man is always haalaton ka maara, all his decisions can be blamed on the Boogie

Adi didn’t become a hero since he loved Imlie, he became when he realized his mistakes, accepted them full heartedly and started taking measures to correct them. Falling in love with Imlie was a natural progression to their relationship which was not done intentionally or with the motive to cheat Malini. The moment he realized and accepted it he does not want to cheat himself or Malini by having a namesake relationship. May be if he would have not accepted it, he would have never become a bigamist or the bad guy. Even if a woman realizes her mistakes and want to correct it, she will also be a hero in my eyes. So let’s just remove man/woman from this equation.

Originally posted by: Goddy2010

Sorry yaar. I beg to diagree. It is not necessary that you need to get inspired by every character u watch. While watching a story somewhere u get connected to it and start investing ur time in the characters and story. Adi is one such character who had nice progression in the stroy and were able to relate to him at various levels. In fact he is the only character I was able to connect until 270 episodes .

Yaar. My friend!

I agree with you. I just want to know what made people realte with Aditya's character. I connected to the story. I connected with Imlie too. I just cannot connect with Aditya.

I am, wholeheartedly, invested in Imlie. She's stupid, self-sacrificing and whining too, but the glimpses I see of her dreams, her aspirations, her need to do the right thing, has made me connect to her.

I am just asking how to connect with Aditya's character, when even trying to correct his mistakes, he ends up making more.