When was the right time to release TheKashmirFiles? - Page 3

Bollywood has a certain template when it comes to depiction of Islamist Terrorism in movies. As per the template, if the perpetrators happen to be Indian, you have to humanize them no matter what. So a film like Black Friday for instance has little to no interest in the victims of the Bombay bomb blasts. Instead it spends a vast majority of it's screentime on the back stories of the bomb planters, humanizing them at every instance and showing how they were just caught up in the cycle of violence. Even when it comes to a terrorist like Tiger Memon, he gets a scene where his office is burnt and so on.

The problem when you make a film on the genocide of the Kashmiri Hindus is that it doesn't really offer you any excuse like that where you can disingenuously rationalize the violence. So you can't blame it on the Babri Masjid demolition, you can't blame it on any anti-Muslim riots, you can't blame it on the intolerant majority cause the Pandits were the hapless minority in Kashmir who had drunk the Kool-aid of Kashmiriyat. So unless you are a bottom of the barrel scumbag like Burkha who shamelessly tries to rebrand an ethnic cleansing as some sort of populist uprising against the privileged, "elite" Kashmiri Hindus (yeah right!), you just have to show it for what it was, vile religious bigotry against the Kashmiri Hindus.

So basically this is unchartered territory for Bollywood. Hence there was never gonna be a right time to release it. No wonder the vitriol against the movie has been unprecedented. Now I wish a much better film-maker than Agnihotri had tackled the subject but hey at least it's a start.

Originally posted by: Cpt.DudleySmith

Bollywood has a certain template when it comes to depiction of Islamist Terrorism in movies. As per the template, if the perpetrators happen to be Indian, you have to humanize them no matter what. So a film like Black Friday for instance has little to no interest in the victims of the Bombay bomb blasts. Instead it spends a vast majority of it's screentime on the back stories of the bomb planters, humanizing them at every instance and showing how they were just caught up in the cycle of violence. Even when it comes to a terrorist like Tiger Memon, he gets a scene where his office is burnt and so on.

The problem when you make a film on the genocide of the Kashmiri Hindus is that it doesn't really offer you any excuse like that where you can disingenuously rationalize the violence. So you can't blame it on the Babri Masjid demolition, you can't blame it on any anti-Muslim riots, you can't blame it on the intolerant majority cause the Pandits were the hapless minority in Kashmir who had drunk the Kool-aid of Kashmiriyat. So unless you are a bottom of the barrel scumbag like Burkha who shamelessly tries to rebrand an ethnic cleansing as some sort of populist uprising against the privileged, "elite" Kashmiri Hindus (yeah right!), you just have to show it for what it was, vile religious bigotry against the Kashmiri Hindus.

So basically this is unchartered territory for Bollywood. Hence there was never gonna be a right time to release it. No wonder the vitriol against the movie has been unprecedented. Now I wish a much better film-maker than Agnihotri had tackled the subject but hey at least it's a start.

This was literally the EXACT narrative of the Nazi party in the 1930s-40s regarding Jews, I swear you can't make this shit up 😵

And to think these scumbags shamelessly compare the BJP to those mfs, whilst spouting shit like this themselves ...

If we go by your logic then all movies are useless, most of them fiction made so that people can escape reality, and spend money on watching people pretend to be someone else on screen. We can use that time to be more productive. And why do even learn history in school, it is just more burden for students and it isn't as if there is a time machine to go back and change things.

And secondly representation of whatever shit happened makes people feel lighter, for people who lost everything it is the least they can do. They didn't think butchering us but we have to think that showing the same because it affects their sensibilities. Lets shush down the victims to facilitate the abuser.

This is the best time to release The Kashmir Files. First the movie got released as BJP is in central government. If Congress was still ruling they would not allow this movie to release like they did it with movie, Aandhi. This movie is loosely based on life of Indira Gandhi.

Second Congress and late Jawarharlal Nehru are directly responsible for the Kashmiri Genocide. They made special provisions and even allowed separate provision for Jammu and Kashmir by Article 370. This caused wars with Pakistan and subsequent terrorist attacks sponsored by ISI from Paskistan. Leh and Ladhak were excluded from development. Now article 370 is gone thanks to BJP.

Illegal immigrant rohingas were getting settled in Kashmir because they were Muslims will be stopped now. The world will know that Kashmir also had hindu population.

Thirdly it exposed the agendas of the separatist and supporters of terrorists groups. I am looking at you Hurriyat leaders from Kashmir, Students unions from JNU and the communist media like Scroll and The Print.

Finally the Kashmiri Hindus's pain got justice.

I found it funny that people who are calling the Kashmiri files one sided never actually called out movies like shikara for their horrendous change of narration, since it painted their favourites in sympathetic light.

And this muslims were oppressed narrative, the village we lived in had majority of muslims and they had homes too, lands too. My mom and her friends applied for so many jobs in central government which they didn't get, state government had majority muslims and kp's usually in banks or central government jobs. How the fck would a minority oppress a majority? Specially kp's who are non violent. And none of my relatives were rich. They are salty because people are accepting the movie, and they can't do anything.

Originally posted by: Moodyblue

If we go by your logic then all movies are useless, most of them fiction made so that people can escape reality, and spend money on watching people pretend to be someone else on screen. We can use that time to be more productive. And why do even learn history in school, it is just more burden for students and it isn't as if there is a time machine to go back and change things.

And secondly representation of whatever shit happened makes people feel lighter, for people who lost everything it is the least they can do. They didn't think butchering us but we have to think that showing the same because it affects their sensibilities. Lets shush down the victims to facilitate the abuser.

When did I say victims should be shushed? Or asked to care about sensibilities of terrorists? Don't put words in my mouth! It's fine if people take history as history. But don't use history to spread hate which this movie seems to be doing.

Yes, movies are made for entertainment. But this movie wasn't. This movie was made to enlighten the audience. To tell a dark chapter of our history. Nothing wrong with all that, until and unless it creates

more divide between religious communities.

Originally posted by: colossial2015

This is the best time to release The Kashmir Files. First the movie got released as BJP is in central government. If Congress was still ruling they would not allow this movie to release like they did it with movie, Aandhi. This movie is loosely based on life of Indira Gandhi.

Second Congress and late Jawarharlal Nehru are directly responsible for the Kashmiri Genocide. They made special provisions and even allowed separate provision for Jammu and Kashmir by Article 370. This caused wars with Pakistan and subsequent terrorist attacks sponsored by ISI from Paskistan. Leh and Ladhak were excluded from development. Now article 370 is gone thanks to BJP.

Illegal immigrant rohingas were getting settled in Kashmir because they were Muslims will be stopped now. The world will know that Kashmir also had hindu population.

Thirdly it exposed the agendas of the separatist and supporters of terrorists groups. I am looking at you Hurriyat leaders from Kashmir, Students unions from JNU and the communist media like Scroll and The Print.

Finally the Kashmiri Hindus's pain got justice.

Agree with everything except the last line.

Their pain got a voice but they are yet to get justice. Removal of 370 was the first step and I'm hopeful that after the success of this movie Govt might sense the public's mood and take bolder steps towards delivering justice to KPs.

https://youtu.be/qC977wZ2w4Q

It potrayed what happened so if those who did the massacre had chosen not to, the film would not have been made. Moreover people like me chose to learn that violence against any religion isn't the answer, why should the truth be shushed for zealots who spread hate anyway.

The timing is not wrong. The place and people are wrong.

Just as a holocaust film requires an understanding of the difference between German and Nazi, Kashmir Files requires an understanding of the difference between Muslim and fundamentalist terrorism.

Unfortunately, India is a powder keg incapable of understanding the difference. People on both sides of the debate are making this error. Both the left and the right believe that a depiction of some Muslims committing violence on-screen means condemning all Muslims.

One side reacts by wanting to criticize, ban, censor, censure the film. The other side right reacts by making angry Islamophobic tirades.

If you ask those condemning the film to describe how they would make the film better and what they would change/edit - you will get blank stares. If you ask those angrily screaming "right to justice" to put forth a plan on what justice looks like without repeating the violence cycle - you will get blank stares. Of course, there are exceptions.

Perhaps movies like this should come with discussion questions like books do.