There needs to be Jazbaat and Laat to maintain Santulan

They say: Spare the rod and spoil the child.

Toh jaha jazbaat insaan ko sahi par chalne ke liye prerit karte hain, wahi apne sahi galat karmon ke parinaam ka darr use sahi raah par chalne ki prerana deta hain.

So, while we need a Haseena Mallik to drive the change, we need a Karishma Singh to control it and direct it.

Many a times, it is the fear of consequences that drives one to do the right thing.

It is like mind and heart, one needs both to live.

I have always had this problem with the writers/creatives/makers here. There is a deliberate attempt to belittle Karishma Singh and her methods to highlight Haseena Mallik. ALL in the name of "Hamein kabhi aapke iraadon par ya kabiliyat par shaq nahin tha bas tareeqe se aitraaz raha hain", so much so that her own team, MIL Head Constable Pushpa Singh included, is never seen supporting her by their own will or trusting her instincts.

Another case of dumbing down one character to highlight the other.

For heaven's sake, Jazbaat is not always right either. One cannot instantly change mindset of people. In the absence of efficient control, Jazbaat becomes useless.

Case in point:

There was an episode when Karishma Singh stages an attack on herself and 2 constables from Janakipuram station when Haseena Mallik in her Jazbaat put 3 innocent officers' life at threat. In an actual scenario, her jazbaat did not save anyone's life, infact it hurt them more.

This repititive incitement is getting predictable and to a large extent annoying.

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

I have always had this problem with the writers/creatives/makers here. There is a deliberate attempt to belittle Karishma Singh and her methods to highlight Haseena Mallik. ALL in the name of "Hamein kabhi aapke iraadon par ya kabiliyat par shaq nahin tha bas tareeqe se aitraaz raha hain", so much so that her own team, MIL Head Constable Pushpa Singh included, is never seen supporting her by their own will or trusting her instincts.

Another case of dumbing down one character to highlight the other.

For heaven's sake, Jazbaat is not always right either. One cannot instantly change mindset of people. In the absence of efficient control, Jazbaat becomes useless.

Case in point:

There was an episode when Karishma Singh stages an attack on herself and 2 constables from Janakipuram station when Haseena Mallik in her Jazbaat put 3 innocent officers' life at threat. In an actual scenario, her jazbaat did not save anyone's life, infact it hurt them more.

This repititive incitement is getting predictable and to a large extent annoying.

I am glad that someone brought this up. this is preciously the reason I get fed up with the show and just one out at points. 400 episodes in and we are still doing the same thing. I do like this stretch of episodes solely for the emotional appeal it has to them. if not, the ad nueasum manner in which they about this jazbaat vs laat thing is annoying as hell. in the very first episode discussion thread I brought this point up and some issues mentioned there have since been dealt with. but this particular storyline has become more of a plot device to drive conflict and then feed the audience/fans with lollipops of "kareena" scenes (PS. probably going to get bashed for saying this but I do not understand the hype around them and neither do I ship it.) without any proper resolution. the fact that it grows and becomes bigger each time doesn't help.

as for Karishma handling this case with emotions or as some would say, the haseena way; is more of a coping mechanism. at least the way I interpreted it was that she lost her idol and now is trying to become like her as a means of dealing with grief and loss. right or wrong, I am no one to decide that. but what I can say is that this is more of battling with than changing a mindset.

Exactly. One doesn't have to emulate their idols inorder to garner the same kind of respect. That won'tever happen.

It would have been best to show both officers as SHOs in their respective stations (Haseena Mallik in Janpad and Karishma Singh in Janakipuram). Each runs their stations the way they want but help each others cases in their limited capacities.

Come to think of it, Karishma Singh transformed a hostile environment at Janakipuram into a team of dedicated officers. That is much testimony to her efficiency. Her wanting to return to Janpad inspite of being recognised is actually not fair on the team at Janakipuram who gave her their loyalty.

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

Exactly. One doesn't have to emulate their idols inorder to garner the same kind of respect. That won'tever happen.

It would have been best to show both officers as SHOs in their respective stations (Haseena Mallik in Janpad and Karishma Singh in Janakipuram). Each runs their stations the way they want but help each others cases in their limited capacities.

Come to think of it, Karishma Singh transformed a hostile environment at Janakipuram into a team of dedicated officers. That is much testimony to her efficiency. Her wanting to return to Janpad inspite of being recognised is actually not fair on the team at Janakipuram who gave her their loyalty.

agreed. everyone has said as much, "no one can replace haseena.". so why the need to transform herself into that? I mean, I get that maybe sometimes emotions are better to handle certain matters but the reason she is doing it just doesn't sit well with me. she can still be Karishma Singh and gain respect and honour. she has got that as stated by almost everyone in the show or city (Lucknow).

I remember there being a lot of backlash for Karishma during the jankipuram thana stretch of episodes- didn't understand why though. I liked how she was running things her own way, learning from her mistakes, ethical dilemma she was facing and handling, making choices that tested her character and if MPT didn't constantly interfere we would have seen character growth. we would have seen her find patience and balance.

the pratha case was epically nauseating. Karishma dressed up as a baba solely because she wanted to buy time not solve the case. apparently, the rest thought it was her ultimate plan. dude, she isn't that knuckleheaded.

for now, I can get by what she is doing. mainly because as an audience, we know haseena is alive but the rest of them don't and are grieving in one way or another.

everyone in MPT has something unique about them and that's why I appreciated- different kinds of characters working together resulting in some hilariously dumb situations.

but sadly, the comedic element is slowly becoming lost in the whirlwind of other things going on. itne dino see uff! maasumiyat Nahi suna, pushpa ji ka bayankhar abhinay nahi dekha aur santu ji ki maasumiyat pata nahi kaha koh gayi hai. this trio were the ultimate comedy buddies.

You don't know how happy I am to see this topic being brought up! I've felt the same ever since I started watching the show with my mom. They have hyped up 'jazzbaat' so so much that I started thinking there's something wrong with me for wanting the 'bhaukaal'. Like I could relate to Karishma's emotions so much that Haseena's taunts and lectures felt like a personal attack. I'm so glad to know that not everyone in the audience buys into this jazbaat brainwashing!

It frustrates me how writers have shown Karishma can never ever completely solve a case on her own. Even when Haseena is gone, she always gives hints on the phone or whatever. I thought with Urmila track finally Karishma would be able to take charge and solve on her own, idc using which ideology. But nope! Urmila, who is supposedly a street vendor, calls the shots and Karishma follows along. Nothing is more painful than to see Karishma portrayed as a 'no brains, hyperactive' woman. Why can't she get any brilliant ideas, why can't she be the saviour of society, why can't she be inspirational?

But nope, because if Karishma is ever a good person, then that would mean beating up bad people is okay, and that's totally against the writers/creatives ideology/agenda. The jazzbaat solutions are so cringe sometimes because of their unrealistic optimism that society is open to change. Sure you try to change it, but it takes years if not decades. The present demands a temporary solution via fear of consequences. For example, the girl-teasing case, I can't believe they actually showed that once those 2 guys realized their mistake the whole society's problem ended. Really? That's a nation wide issue, and you show the public that a simple 'make the criminal's fam go through the same situation' plan will fix it? In reality, that something that can only be fixed through 'bhaukaal'. The message for change is perfect, but its nowhere near enough.

I could go on and on, but just thanks for posting this topic! It honestly relieves me that I'm not the only one who doesn't appreciate this one-sided agenda. I'm truly waiting for the day when Haseena says 'sorry, we should've used force to fix this'. (Also why is Haseena shown to be perfect?... gets all the ideas, very respectful and mannered, more powerful than Karishma but doesn't show, was on the state cricket team, etc. Sounds like the bahus of ITV eh?)

Thank you both and very rightly put by you both. Of course too much of either cannot survive and somewhere it is the fear of consequences that drives changes especially when to experience widespread changes.

Simple physics hain na. (If Inertia is the current state.) You require force to displace an object in current state.

Humans are born good, well intentioned people but humans are lazy too and will not change only by intentions unless forced to change.

But globally, television me logic aur science kam hi dekhne milta hain toh, hum bhi apna frustration dikha toh sakte hain, but that manifesting to change is but wishful thinking.

Atleast, we know there are like minded people.

Besides, it is a common thing that we find with makers wanting to show the Hero (titular character) as the only right person. This at the cost of ALL others so much so that "Everyone else can go to hell". They fear other characters gaining more popularity. Never understood why.

Some times Chellam sir also becomes more famous that Srikant Tyagi. So what?

In this case, Haseena Mallik is the SHO, she leads the team. Regardless of who solves the cases, the credit goes to the lead. Infact, a good lead is one who knows when to take a back seat and let the team take charge and not have an ego when someone else is seen outperforming. A good lead is a good listener too.

me too! I didn't know that there were like-minded individuals in the fandom. I had so many thoughts but nowhere to pen them down. so it's a relief to see people other than myself having the same train of thought.

i have never been a fan of the 'jazbaat' vs 'laat' storyline. the first reason is how the judicial system works in the first place. people come to the station, a first incident report is made and the police find the culprit/do the necessary and the case is solved. so how the paperwork or if the case is even officially reported while not big is just like a housefly that keeps buzzing around.

next is the black and white approach they have in regards to the approaches of the two officers. 'jazbaat' attacks the root cause and changes mindsets. 'laat' is a quick relief and as mentioned earlier, instils fear of consequences. both sound equally valid and feasible.

but why do I buy into the latter more? because of who they are- police officers. they want to change mindsets and all by all means go ahead but it shouldn't be done in such a way that any other solution is regarded as wrong. it certainly shouldn't magically change the way of life of individuals in a blink of an eye. they bring up a lot of relevant issues. but when the solution becomes cliche, it loses the touch of reality. and change society? how? your target audience is literally just the family/concerned parties that you are speaking with most of the time. how is that going to change a nationwide problem? so again, loses the touch of reality.

thirdly is because of just how repetitive it is. as I said earlier, it's has become a plot device, not a plot point.

this is something that just doesn't make sense to me. Karishma Singh is apparently one of the most feared faces in Lucknow. but isn't capable of solving simple cases without the inspiration/hints/clues from haseena. initially, she was able to do it (somewhat) but then as the episodes go she is just becoming...incompetent? for the lack of a better word. I was drawn to her because I can relate to her. she does what she feels is right and believes in herself. that's more than I can say for a lot of people out there. but now it's like she herself isn't comfortable in her own skin.

I am not excusing the times she has lied and quite honestly betrayed haseena (one of the reasons I don't buy into the whole "Kareena" are BFFs idea). she has had some really low points, but I liked that she was allowed to be flawed and I can see some sort of growth.

I had high expectations from this urmilla storyline but they were slowly crashing to the ground. now I m looking forward to the revelation and emotional high it brings. fingers crossed, they do justice to all the characters and relationships related to haseena instead of them just giving her teary smiles for being back. I need to see the friction, the angst, the hurt and the disappointment. because if "cheetoshpa" (not including anubhav cause that is a whole other topic) have no reaction other than being happy and shedding happy tears, the claims of being family and loving everyone equally fall flat.

I like how they claim Karishma is ziddi, Arial and hell-bent on her ways but haseena is also the same. she won't compromise her morals or ideologies either. it's her way or the highway at the time. hence, that argument is null and void.

she was ready to leave her job because of her morals but wanted Karishma to stay back when she wanted to quit to manage her personal life. PS. the way hyped up that plot point and just ended it so abruptly along with Santosh's comatose period was so weird I had to write a FF on it.

and I know this ain't going to sit well with the stans but haseena isn't as quick to apologise as Karishma is. the latter does tend to realise her mistakes and seek forgiveness. but haseena doesn't. remember the Abhinav case? she got him bailed but it looked more like an inconvenience than anything else. when she is proven wrong, it's like she doesn't want to apologise because she still believes that she is right (subtle facial expressions).

the hefty focus on her is nauseating at times. she has been suspected of being corrupted nearly 3 to 4 times in the span of 400 episodes. two of those instances were nearly back to back. about why she is always right? star saviour complex I guess. she is a bit of a gul khan female lead.

PPS. this tuned into a rant. sorry!

Totally totally agree with everything you said! It's a valid rant, considering the potential this show and its amazing actors have.

Loved how you mentioned classic gul khan female lead. Haseena is calm, sensitive, sacrificing, forgiving, but strong when need to be = perfect female, can never do anything wrong. And that itself is the biggest wrong with this show.

Haseena looks to be humble but she will never accept 'laat' the way Karishma has accepted 'jazbaat'. Would love to see an FF where her jazbaat almost kills her whole team, because she forgave a psychopath or serial killer or something.

I only ship Kareena for Karishma's unconditional love and dedication to her MS, regardless of how much she hates Haseena's melodramatic jazbaat. I don't know but I didn't find those lies and betrayals as harsh, because her passion and intentions were so point on. Maybe I'm biased cause I felt Karishma's frustration of always having to follow the jazbaat way of doing every little thing, and not being able to do anything on her own. But now, the way she has grown to respect MS so much, its truly heart touching how someone can let go of their strongest ideology for another person's wishes. On the Haseena spectrum, well she has forgiven Karishma many many times like an older sister, forgetting the mistakes of a naive ignorant younger sibling. Though she believes in Karishma's future potential capability, I don't think she truly realizes the benefits of the bhaukaal Karishma has already achieved. Right now she loves Karishma like she loves many others (ammi, Anubhav, Pushpaji, etc), but I await the day when Haseena begins to consider Karishma one of the most important parts of her existence ("how will I live without you" types like Karu has been saying every other episode rn).

Can't even begin talking about Anubhav, but honestly I don't want to. He's not worth the paragraphs.

the actors are amazing! I initially got into the show because of Bhavika (have been following her since parvarish way back in 2015 and it's beautiful to have seen her grow as an artist) but the rest of the cast has done a fabulous job as well. needless to say, the way Bhavika emotes especially in emotional scenes leaves my heart aching (the coma track had me bawling). yukti just straight up lives Karishma singh. Sonali Ji has this wisdom and charisma that draws you in. even if the drag fest of this hard disc is irritating, gulki has definitely proved herself in this urmilla track. priyanshu and Ajay have the perfect comic timing to leave you in splits. the chemistry in this ensemble cast is almost tangible and oozes out in all of their scenes. so if not the plot, I would still stick around for the cast.

honestly, it's still not too late to fix this mistake. this track is an opportunity gift-wrapped for them. haseena mostly doesn't see herself as wrong because at the end of the day everyone agrees with her. if the characters stuck by their words instead of doing a backflip once the case is solved, haseena probably would have realised how her definition of "right" may not be the same for everyone. so after the truth comes out, if they take time to flush out the conflict resulting from this lying by the omission of truth, she could probably come across as less self-righteous (if she tries to seek forgiveness instead of giving justifications).

the day haseena accepts 'laat' would be the day I say that we have seen character development. ironically, the titular character is the only one who hasn't seen substantial character growth.

I would love to write an FF on that if I didn't already have two pending ones that I have been procrastinating to finish off. but maybe when the truth comes out, ill do a one-shot. lmao depending on the execution of the revelation (if it doesn't live up to my expectations) I would probably be compelled to write one either way.

Karishma's unconditional love and loyalty baffles me at times. but then again, it's true to her character. if she hates, she will rain hell on that person. if she loves, she would burn the world down just for that person.

if there is one thing I like about her low points (lies and betrayals) is that It can be argued from various perspectives. the fact that her intentions were never malicious is always a redeeming point, for me at least. I can definitely understand the frustration she feels especially when the reasons are so unrelatable. haseena's motivations don't speak to me most of the time so that's that. the way Karishma respects haseena is the definition of 'tera sajdaa karun'. girl loves her madam sir even if I dont necessarily agree with the unhealthy amount of focus it gets at the expense of other things. I can appreciate the loyalty she possesses.

maybe I am biased but I get the siblings vibe from haseetosh and karitosh. for the latter, it's certainly more apparent. this is probably because of Santosh's "maasumiyat" and how Karishma despite being the quickest to lose her temper handles her so much patience and care.

from Kareena, it's more of a friendship vibe. I dont know different strokes for different folks I guess. I do wish that they had a proper conversation and a slow resolution to rebuild their trust especially after the fake police station and qayamat stuff. the way they handled those lacked depth IMHO. I get that they wanted it to be comedic but I wouldn't have minded a couple of minutes for a serious conversation.

oof the engagement track was...lesser said the better. the frustration I had at that time was insufferable but you are right. he ain't worth paragraphs to be discussed.

dont know if I've said this before but I really love the show, cast and characters included. I want it to be good. I want to root for it. I want to cheer on my favourites characters. but currently, I can't find any reason to do so.