The parable of the wind and the sun - Page 4

Originally posted by: Silveraliax

What a beautiful way of explaining Akshara's method of coping. Absolutely love it ❤️

Regarding Abhi, I do agree that some of his actions are indeed problematic and troubling for those people who emulate everything they see. I do enjoy their angst scenes (it's my guilty pleasure okay) because i feel their chemistry comes out stronger but of course, I'm not going to deny that some of Abhi's behaviour is not ideal. In particular, I am pointing at the mandhalding scnes. Otherwise his other actions have been same as Akshara. For example, if he has told Akshara that she does not exist for him then she has also called him koi bhi. Haan both said things to rub salt on the wounds but they're both pretty much the same insult. If Akshara has defended Abhi, Abhi too has stood up for her when people like Harsh criticised her.

Abhi and Akshara are both flawed. If one is stubborn, the other is a pushover and demeans herself to such an extent that she ends up decieving people like Abhi. If Abhi mandhandles her then she also treats him like the most kimti cheez she can buy and throw away. This is why I am team Abhira and the only point I give to Abhi is that unlike Akshara, he does not know the full saga (he has tried to understand her POV but she does not wish to share). Even Akshara knows she has hurt him a lot but she is okay with it because "shadhi ke baad sab thik ho he jata hain".

They need to add patience to Abhi's stubbornness and they need to make Akshara less of a doormat because both are bad for the society. Right now Akshara is fulfilling Arohi's demands even though they have no head or tail. What if in the future Abhi demands her to do something out of her will and she agrees because she has given that right to him? That's not correct either. The makers are making Akshara a bechari because they know this formula works (is working) and when she has a breakdown, we will all cry because it will be touching but I'm tired of watching female leads being so mahaan that they forget their value and people emulate this too in expectation that good things will automatically happen to those who stay quiet to every wrongdoings happening around them. I hope Akshara is more than that.

I rarely see your posts and when I do it's an absolute pleasure to read. Agree to all of what you said. Both needs to tone their actions down. Simply sit and have a cup of chai and coffee together in that hut they got lost. 😉

Originally posted by: Ekahriz

Yes, yes. Agree with everything you say 100% @prettywitty

The biggest argument is that Abhimanyu is flawed and not perfect. I have no issues he has flaws, I mean all of us have flaws. But wanting to hurt the person you claim to be in love with is not love. It remains just a flaw and not love. That's my problem. Romantcising infliction of hurt and pain in the name of love. So many women are stuck in abusive relationships because society has conditioned them to mistake toxicity in the name of love. Emotional abuse have been masked as love and a right of the lover for the longest time, but Abhimanyu also physically manhandles her. How do people see that as a mere flaw, I don't understand. 😒

And another argument is he is the most consistent. He is the least consistent like you rightly pointed out, I don't want to list down the same points. And that makes him a f**king hypocrite.

He is emotional but when did that begin to give people right to hurt others. Cry all you want, no problems. But that doesn't mean just because he cries, his tears washes away his toxicity. And crying on one's fate when one chose it and without doing anything about it and blaming it on others and expecting sympathy is the worst. People cry for different reasons, they cry for their personal issues, they cry for the world that is so broken, for those covid patients who died without access to oxygen, for those girls and children in Afghan who is pushed into starvation and hunger and sex work due to the Taliban crisis. I can keep going. There are infinite number of things in the world to cry and lose hope over. I mean I constantly go through compassionate fatigue that my pockets are going to be emptied by a mental health professional only. Depressed people cry not knowing what they are mourning, their own lost self maybe. 😔 Crying is never a problem.

But when Abhimanyu cries, I don't feel his pain or feel empathy for him especially because he is using it as a weapon to hurt the one he claims to love. When his decisions can stop himself from crying. When his problems are so easily solvable. Basically he is being an entitled privilege-blind cis het male who wants the entire world to revolve around him. 😒

Spot on, these are exactly the problems I have with Abhimanyu (bold). All of this because DKP people lack the imagination and creativity to develop a more believable context for this 'rishta triangle' (I wont call it love because Arohi does not love Abhimanyu, she wants him - like an accessory😆) and because they don't know how to build tension without bringing in abusive or toxic behavior.

I feel you on this - been there, done that (italics).

Originally posted by: Silveraliax

What a beautiful way of explaining Akshara's method of coping. Absolutely love it ❤️

Regarding Abhi, I do agree that some of his actions are indeed problematic and troubling for those people who emulate everything they see. I do enjoy their angst scenes (it's my guilty pleasure okay) because i feel their chemistry comes out stronger but of course, I'm not going to deny that some of Abhi's behaviour is not ideal. In particular, I am pointing at the mandhalding scnes. Otherwise his other actions have been same as Akshara. For example, if he has told Akshara that she does not exist for him then she has also called him koi bhi. Haan both said things to rub salt on the wounds but they're both pretty much the same insult. If Akshara has defended Abhi, Abhi too has stood up for her when people like Harsh criticised her.

Abhi and Akshara are both flawed. If one is stubborn, the other is a pushover and demeans herself to such an extent that she ends up decieving people like Abhi. If Abhi mandhandles her then she also treats him like the most kimti cheez she can buy and throw away. This is why I am team Abhira and the only point I give to Abhi is that unlike Akshara, he does not know the full saga (he has tried to understand her POV but she does not wish to share). Even Akshara knows she has hurt him a lot but she is okay with it because "shadhi ke baad sab thik ho he jata hain".

They need to add patience to Abhi's stubbornness and they need to make Akshara less of a doormat because both are bad for the society. Right now Akshara is fulfilling Arohi's demands even though they have no head or tail. What if in the future Abhi demands her to do something out of her will and she agrees because she has given that right to him? That's not correct either. The makers are making Akshara a bechari because they know this formula works (is working) and when she has a breakdown, we will all cry because it will be touching but I'm tired of watching female leads being so mahaan that they forget their value and people emulate this too in expectation that good things will automatically happen to those who stay quiet to every wrongdoings happening around them. I hope Akshara is more than that.

Dude, it's totally cool - it's fun watching pretty people clash and these two bring some major pretty to the table I think the writers don't know how to calibrate angst vs. toxicity - the KOI BHI scene was good, but the office manhandling scene was awful. I get the feeling that for these folks those two scenes are equivalent, because they're just figuring out ways of creating physical proximity and tashan between Abhira.

I was all 'whut???' at Akshara quoting Mimi (geez, could she quote anyone more regressive!!) about that 'shaadi ke baad' bit. Marriage ruined Kaira and Mimi was responsible in large part🤣 I don't know what the heck Akshara even meant by that - like, once you're married it's for life and you'll have to suck it up whether you like it or not?

I'm wondering why Abhi is not concentrating more on the dysfunctional dynamics between Arohi and Akshara as the root of all their problems. He's had quite a bit of evidence that Akshara is all about pleasing Arohi. Look at the panic attack scene on the trip. Based on what Akshara said (i'm anxious about going home) and then relaxing when Arohi says hey I was just joking, that should've immediately given Abhi a clue that Akshara's anxiety about going home had to do with something Arohi had said or done. What was clear in that situation is that Arohi's words/actions have the power to trigger those attacks in Akshara.

Even before, the first conversation he had with Arohi showed that Arohi is condescending and dismissive of Akshara, whereas Akshara is all praise and affection for Arohi. Add to it, all the times he's seen Arohi be very rude and aggressive to Akshara (wrenching the kangan from her wrist, yelling at her publicly in the hospital, always ready to confront her). Also he knows Arohi is the YOUNGER sister - that alone should tell him something is off in the dynamic where Akshara constantly feels this need for approval from Arohi. And he's seen Arohi is capable of lying - I'm thinking back to that icy glare he shot her at the first tilak when he learned she hadn't deleted his texts after saying she would🤣 Why has he become so gullible?

Someone on here mentioned that TRPs are driven by older housewives who only like female leads who don't threaten them (submissive, crying, self-effacing types) so yeah, we're lucky Akshara even shows glimpses of backbone now and then🤣 I'm tired of the show - hanging out and chatting on IF is much more fun!

Originally posted by: hari15

I rarely see your posts and when I do it's an absolute pleasure to read. Agree to all of what you said. Both needs to tone their actions down. Simply sit and have a cup of chai and coffee together in that hut they got lost. 😉

Thank you Hari ji 🤗

I do come and read as much as I can but dekho na time he nahi milta aaj kal.

Here is an Abhira heart for you.

@Bold haha but just chai and coffee? They could do a lot more in that hut.

Originally posted by: Prettywitty

Dude, it's totally cool - it's fun watching pretty people clash and these two bring some major pretty to the table I think the writers don't know how to calibrate angst vs. toxicity - the KOI BHI scene was good, but the office manhandling scene was awful. I get the feeling that for these folks those two scenes are equivalent, because they're just figuring out ways of creating physical proximity and tashan between Abhira.

@Bold Correct. And they also want tension between the two because without tension, how will they hook the audience?

I was all 'whut???' at Akshara quoting Mimi (geez, could she quote anyone more regressive!!) about that 'shaadi ke baad' bit. Marriage ruined Kaira and Mimi was responsible in large part🤣 I don't know what the heck Akshara even meant by that - like, once you're married it's for life and you'll have to suck it up whether you like it or not?

And it's the house elder giving such gyaans 🤦🏽‍♀️

No wonder Arohi also believes that eveyrhing will work out later because Mimi must not have spared her either.

I'm wondering why Abhi is not concentrating more on the dysfunctional dynamics between Arohi and Akshara as the root of all their problems. He's had quite a bit of evidence that Akshara is all about pleasing Arohi. Look at the panic attack scene on the trip. Based on what Akshara said (i'm anxious about going home) and then relaxing when Arohi says hey I was just joking, that should've immediately given Abhi a clue that Akshara's anxiety about going home had to do with something Arohi had said or done. What was clear in that situation is that Arohi's words/actions have the power to trigger those attacks in Akshara.

I mean he was very thoughtful and concerned in that scene and I dont think one can start amusing about someones personal family dynamics in the first instance. For me the tilak fiasco was the real deal. He had clear evidence of the manipulative nature of Arohi when she lied about the phone. I dont understand how he can forget this factor? Though, he did try to ask Akshara if there was anyone stopping her but he always doubted the wrong person aka Kairav and he shouldnt expect Akshara to publically share her feelings but he is a hasty man.

Even before, the first conversation he had with Arohi showed that Arohi is condescending and dismissive of Akshara, whereas Akshara is all praise and affection for Arohi. Add to it, all the times he's seen Arohi be very rude and aggressive to Akshara (wrenching the kangan from her wrist, yelling at her publicly in the hospital, always ready to confront her). Also he knows Arohi is the YOUNGER sister - that alone should tell him something is off in the dynamic where Akshara constantly feels this need for approval from Arohi. And he's seen Arohi is capable of lying - I'm thinking back to that icy glare he shot her at the first tilak when he learned she hadn't deleted his texts after saying she would🤣 Why has he become so gullible?

You're making Abhi sound so dumb to me right now 😆but I do think that no matter what Abhi does, akshara will never confide in him unless he is dying in the fire again. Even if god comes down and asks her, she will stay mute. But let's hope that Abhi does change and tries to understand her after this accident.

Someone on here mentioned that TRPs are driven by older housewives who only like female leads who don't threaten them (submissive, crying, self-effacing types) so yeah, we're lucky Akshara even shows glimpses of backbone now and then🤣 I'm tired of the show - hanging out and chatting on IF is much more fun!

But young girls watch these shows with their mums too. What will they learn? And if boys watch it then theyll think being a mamas stubborn boy is normal because there will always be a girl like Akshara to come in their lives and sort everything out to become the next momma. This is quite demeaning to boys too. Why do they always need a girl to make them better?

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Originally posted by: Silveraliax

My replies in blue.

And they also want tension between the two because without tension, how will they hook the audience?
Absolutely - there has to be some drama, otherwise what's the point. That's what we were all wondering about early on. When it seemed Abhira were going to get hitched within like six episodes of meeting - and then what? Well, the CVs sure schooled us there🤣

And it's the house elder giving such gyaans 🤦🏽‍♀️

No wonder Arohi also believes that eveyrhing will work out later because Mimi must not have spared her either.

The Goenkas have a lot to answer for - from that 'I want 40 lakhs' scene, it's so obvious they've spoiled and enabled her all her life. Who does that??

I mean he was very thoughtful and concerned in that scene and I dont think one can start amusing about someones personal family dynamics in the first instance. For me the tilak fiasco was the real deal. He had clear evidence of the manipulative nature of Arohi when she lied about the phone. I dont understand how he can forget this factor? Though, he did try to ask Akshara if there was anyone stopping her but he always doubted the wrong person aka Kairav and he shouldnt expect Akshara to publically share her feelings but he is a hasty man.

Yehi toh! Abhi was able to read her so perfectly during those first meetings and respond so appropriately. That's why I'm disappointed by how they're making him act now. Actually your point about Kairav is brilliant! I never thought of it that way - Abhi's attention is on our mute bhaiyya as the potential obstacle in the family, not Arohi. Makes sense in a way. To Abhi, Kairav is the elder brother, Arohi is only a younger sister - it would be like if Nishtha were calling all the shots in the Birla family😆 He doesnt know how much Arohi has been sirh pe chadaoed by the Goenkas...

But really he should know better - he's a surgeon, he must have been trained to be keen and observant. Poor Abhi - he's not bad, he's just written that way 🤣

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But young girls watch these shows with their mums too. What will they learn? And if boys watch it then theyll think being a mamas stubborn boy is normal because there will always be a girl like Akshara to come in their lives and sort everything out to become the next momma. This is quite demeaning to boys too. Why do they always need a girl to make them better?

Couldn't agree more 🤔