Actors leaving jobs over Vaccine Mandate - Page 6

Originally posted by: desigal90

Simple. Compare the INCIDENCE of vaccine death with virus deaths. You'll have your answer.

And I don't know where you keep getting this information that vaccine companies are exempt from suing while medication companies are not. Pfizer makes both medications and vaccines.

You said in the beginning vaccines are better because it doesn’t cause death compared to covid. But now you admit that it does but vaccines are still better because apparently it causes less deaths than covid according to the incidents reported till NOW. You don’t care about non-death side effects and completely dismiss it saying at least it’s not death. And when it does cause death, then again for you it’s fine as at least the numbers according to the reported numbers until now are less.

Originally posted by: Maraka_Musso89

Vaccine development takes up from 10 to 15 years as they have to research, have approvals, do testings.

What does the FDA approval means when a whistleblower recently admitted that the Pfizer vaccined tests hadn't been done correctly?

Moderna was FDA approved and they are only know saying that it's unsafe for young men.

A medecine would be different as it would cure the illness instead of prevented people from getting it. That's were the difference lies imo.

- A colleague of mine who's sister in scientist refuses to take the vaccine (all of her sibling are vaccinated) even if it means that she won't get to get out.

- The mother of another of my friends refuses to get it and she works in a lab.

- My mother's doctor has preferred to close his office instead of getting the vaccine.

And there are numerous other hospital and lab staff members who won't get it.

They saw the side effects of the vaccine on people and also saw that people who got it still got hospitalized.

Also this summer, in ISRAEL -which is one of the country that launched the vaccine campaign- the vaccinated people represented almost half of the people who got infected by COVID.

They say it's normal but if so why are they prepping the population for the 4th vaccine dose ? The 4th!!!

I personally don't want to play with my body and get 100s of injections because they are not sure what they are doing.

20 years down the line they'll admit they did a huge mistake and it'll be too late. It wouldn't be the first time they admitted their mistakes late.

Now the narrative is that people who don't get the vaccine are selfish, that they don't deserve to be treated etc. But are people even human ? Since when has it not been mandatory for others to dispose of another people's body ?

If the governments were certain the vaccine was safe, they WOULD have made the vaccine mandatory. Instead they came up with the sanitary pass (which had been mentioned in the much bashed Hold-Up documentary...) so that they won't be held responsible if anything goes wrong with a person who "voluntarily" took up the vaccine.

I personally made an effort in taking 2 doses of the vaccine and I say no more. My patience can only go there.

Vaccines can take UP to 10 years, but the minimum period for phase was can be as short as 1 year. Like I said, it was accelerated due to a global pandemic that had high infectivity and mortality. It would be unethical to be sitting on modern preventative science and deprive us for a decade coz that's the maximum time, no?

Why are we getting more vaccines? Coz coronavirus are like the flu virus. It mutates and vaccine efficacy also wanes. Don't we get the flu vaccine every year? Why is this surprising?

Originally posted by: The_Best

Yeah I have been worried about it too and regretting get vaccines. I am glad one of my sister didn’t get it when I was telling her to get it. I am not getting the third booster. F these vaccine companies. For them only their profit matters and the sheep who follow them blindly. That Pfizer has a history of paying fines. I am glad I didn’t get Pfizer at least and got moderna. But now apparently moderna isn’t even safe for under 30s. And I did my antibodies test recently, and from what I can understand I don’t even have antibodies. So I don’t understand what the heck the point of vaccine was??

All of my sisters got it (we all took Pfizer as it was supposed to be the safest option) and my parents too (my dad got a stroke because of it). My brothers brothers didn't.

When my dad said he got the vaccine done the day before, the doctor asked him if he had gotten AstraZeneca or J&J. When he told them no he got Pfizer, they got quiet and told him their was no correlation between the two. LIES!

Exactly this ! Big Pharma is being the media, the scientists... they have billion of dollars to spare and we are the perfect test subjects.

The media came in handy by making people believe that unvaccine people were the problem and by divided people into two teams.

Peer pressure did the remainder so even so the vaccines were complety cleared, they were sold to different countries and inoculated into millions of people.

The president of my country waited weeks before the summer vacations to apply the pressure and announcing that people who didn't get the vaccine and subsequently the Pass wouldn't be able to go museums, amusement parks, restaurants... it was cruel for people who just got out of curfew and some -like me- worked from home so we were as good as confined as when we ended our work day, curfew was already in place.

Some people did get temporary passes but they have to paid for for since last month.

Originally posted by: The_Best

You said in the beginning vaccines are better because it doesn’t cause death compared to covid. But now you admit that it does but vaccines are still better because apparently it causes less deaths than covid according to the incidents reported till NOW. You don’t care about non-death side effects and completely dismiss it saying at least it’s not death. And when it does cause death, then again for you it’s fine as at least the numbers according to the reported numbers until now are less.

Because I don't go by anecdotes and stories. I got my statistics and double blind controlled studies. If I began practicing medicine and treating my patients based on what my neighbors experienced, I'd be a terrible physician. Evidence based Medicine.

The studies show associations with clotting, not death (clotting doesn't mean death fyi). Covid infection has KNOWN clotting. That's why inpatient treatment for Covid-19 is blood thinners.

For every concern you have with the vaccines, some questionable associations, some real, studies and incidence reports show SIGNIFICANTLY higher incidence with the infection. Simple decision. Like I said; we physicians were the FIRST in line. So dont make it seem like we're being cunning or trying to trick the public, when we got the vaccines before anyone else.

Originally posted by: desigal90

I'm unaware of this. Link me to the source of this information. You're misunderstanding that when you tell someone risk of adverse effects they cannot sue. The same goes for medications. If the medication side effects are listed clearly, and the doctor reads them out, you can't sue medications either. Or a side effect unlisted.

This is true for NEW medications. There is a new class of Diabetes medications called SGLT-2 inhibitor. AFTER being prescribed it was discovered that they can cause a rare side effect; one of them is associated with amputations. Which wasn't listed initially. NOW it's listed as a very rare warning. I mean this is how medicine works. Not everything is known right away. But gets discovered over time, and those adverse effects are rare. Thats vaccines and meds. That's why with tylenol there was a section labeled "post marketing side effects". The most benign medications, vaccines, procedure can cause death and infections and bleeding. That's just medicine in general but nobody overthinks when it comes to

Meds.

Not the same thing right there. Meds aren't mandated for 100% population on earth. While vaccines are mandated and it's being mandated there needs to be surety of no post vaccinated side effects. Since that's not possible they got to identify subset of people who are likely to get side effects and be out of that mandate.

You only gave example of someone with history of clots died after taking vaccines. Well anyone with similar history of blood clots should be not given these so called vaccines. Similar sets of history~side effects should have been identified and kept out of these mandates.

Originally posted by: desigal90

Vaccines can take UP to 10 years, but the minimum period for phase was can be as short as 1 year. Like I said, it was accelerated due to a global pandemic that had high infectivity and mortality. It would be unethical to be sitting on modern preventative science and deprive us for a decade coz that's the maximum time, no?

Why are we getting more vaccines? Coz coronavirus are like the flu virus. It mutates and vaccine efficacy also wanes. Don't we get the flu vaccine every year? Why is this surprising?

A vaccine development takes between10 ton15 years. The quickest vaccine being developed before COVID was the Ebola one which took 5 years.

This right here, I don't get vaccine shot for the flu so why am I being forced to get it for COVID when the virus mutates?

Originally posted by: Zeal17

Not the same thing right there. Meds aren't mandated for 100% population on earth. While vaccines are mandated and it's being mandated there needs to be surety of no post vaccinated side effects. Since that's not possible they got to identify subset of people who are likely to get side effects and be out of that mandate.

You only gave example of someone with history of clots died after taking vaccines. Well anyone with similar history of blood clots should be not given these so called vaccines. Similar sets of history~side effects should have been identified and kept out of these mandates.

These mandates allow for physician exemptions. If a physician feels a patient has risks they can exempt them. So many of my patients with all kinds of clotting history for the vaccines and were fine. The reason I told the story was I don't think the vaccine causes a lung clot a month and a half later (timeline doesn't add up). But people will connect the two and say, vaccine did it. Again, correlation doesn't mean causation.

Originally posted by: Maraka_Musso89

A vaccine development takes between10 ton15 years. The quickest vaccine being developed before COVID was the Ebola one which took 5 years.

This right here, I don't get vaccine shot for the flu so why am I being forced to get it for COVID when the virus mutates?

So Ebola didnt take 10 to 15 years. Now Covid made even faster. It just means that duration is getting shorter because we're getting better at this. We're more efficient.

I just have the flu shot as an example coz you asked why do we need more Covid doses. So I'd drew a comparison that the flu also needs vaccinations every year.

Originally posted by: desigal90

Because I don't go by anecdotes and stories. I got my statistics and double blind controlled studies. If I began practicing medicine and treating my patients based on what my neighbors experienced, I'd be a terrible physician. Evidence based Medicine.

The studies show associations with clotting, not death (clotting doesn't mean death fyi). Covid infection has KNOWN clotting. That's why inpatient treatment for Covid-19 is blood thinners.

For every concern you have with the vaccines, some questionable associations, some real, studies and incidence reports show SIGNIFICANTLY higher incidence with the infection. Simple decision. Like I said; we physicians were the FIRST in line. So dont make it seem like we're being cunning or trying to trick the public, when we got the vaccines before anyone else.

A whistleblower said the tests have been falsified...

Then let them first investigate this so called whistle blower rather than discarding and disregarding scientific studies.

The vaccines work. California has lowest infection rates and high rates of vaccine compared with other states.