I am appalled! - Page 2

I was appalled at Sonali & Karishma spewing venom on SAI when she was lying on death bed.

Originally posted by: Sagi.

I am equally appalled.

Brain surgery done without Anesthesia?

Dr Pulkit Deshpande is a multidisciplinary Dr I feel. The only Dr/Prof in Sai's college. I am sure if he will turn into a gynaec/Obstetrician for Sai when the time comes.😳

I am sure he will say to Virat: Iske zimmedar bhi tum ho!🤣

Brain surgery was done with fancy equipments, yo! The process started with cleaning blood in the earlobe. There is no monitor and a cheerful message board in the ICU.

Virat's real character is emerging slowly. He will forever be "do kashtiyon mein sawaar" insaan. All his relationships seem questionable - one would think if not for his wife, atleast for his brother he would keep his distance with Pakhi. But everything is about himself - he just doesn't see things from others POV - how his actions are wounding others.

Ofcourse, Samrat was speaking from a place of knowledge. He has slowly gathered all the information - Virat's abusive behavior (past & present), witnessed BFFs ganging up and publicly taunting Sai, was attentive when Devi was chastising Virat for keeping quiet when Pakhi was talking ill about Sai.

If Sai wants to be with him, she will have to make peace with Pakhi being a part of their marriage. When Samrat witnessed Virakhi holding hands - I felt really bad for him. Sai and Samrat will forever be burdened by their spouse's questionable faithfulness. This is how their life will be ....always wondering if they are being cheated upon and best friends trying to confuse them by manipulation - one knowingly and another unknowingly(?). What a depressing thought.

All this time when Virat realized his mistake after abusing Sai - it was because Sai was right (therefore she didn't deserve it) and probably because he still wanted the relationship. Now, on the other hand, from his PoV Sai was wrong (so he wasn't really wrong) and there was no chance of this relationship anyway, so fairness, morality, conscience be damned.

I wasn't expecting any sort of remorse or introspection from Virat. What is infuriating is others blaming him for the accident because he let her go - that was the only good thing he did. I want them to STFU and wait for Sai to come out of danger. And then blast Virat and Pakhi. Virat - not for letting Sai go, but for treating her so badly - locking her up, humiliating her by ganging up with his ex. Virakhi for having an emotional relationship. And Pakhi for all her harassment of Sai.

But I know this will never happen. Just like Samrat and Sai, the audience will forever be left confused - by ambiguous writing.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Asmi,

I liked how you brought up Samrat's responsibility. I agree and I am glad he questioned as a brother. I have few questions which I would like to ask to understand what might be driving each character.

I genuinely would love to get answers for 4 points below (for now). These questions does not mean I discredit anyone's opinion. they are genuinely my questions to understand the characters, in case I am missing anything. So please dont take it personal.

1. Samrat is a nice person. He likes Sai too. But will he not be biased in judging Virat, because he is in the same boat as Sai? He cant look at Virat objectively. can he? Only whatever little he has seen of Virat and Sai he will base his judgement on him. Besides, he is the one who noticed VIrat's love for Sai as soon as he returned CN till cafe incident.

See I believe he does know that Virat has feelings for him, even in the way he said "Tu ye jatana band karega ki Sai k jaane se tujhe koi farq nahi padta" , he knew he is bothered. But he also heard what Sunny had to say, so he understands there is ego and misunderstandings. Also I see Samrat understanding that aspect of Virat Pakhi relationship that Sai understood and Virat never, with family supporting the two, it has taken a toll on her...He fails to understand that he needs, to even stop talking to Patralekha, he need to maintain his physical distance, it affects people around him....He is not able to understand it. Today he was emotional so I did not mind him holding Pakhi's hand, but he understands right, that Pakhi stll likes him, will a righteous man not just step out of there? Samrat heard what Tai had to say about their talks, how the two talked nonsense about her, he has seen how the two gang up to talk against her, he has seen Virat manhandling Sai, so he is looking at that aspect of it, how in his anger in his ego, he has behaved recently, something he thought he was never capable of.

2. Virat has no introspection, that is sad. But if he 'believes' Sai doesnt love him, just cares for him then what he should do? what options he will have other than to leave her? Will any man or woman who have fallen in love with the other person maintain a platonic relationship staying close? Will they not be miserable? So if Virat wants to move away from her to give her peace and also to stay in peace, why is it his selfishness?

I had no issues in Virat wanting to leave Sai.. Thats the right thing to do, I questioned Sai's move to stop him interfering in his professional issue.. But the point is, even after being told she was upset, knowing how impirtant her Aaba's dreams are for her, how important her studies, her being in this college is for her and yet he is not thinking what made her leave it all, suddenly...No introspection on what she told him in the morning, how "not kadwi" but nice she was to him.. No introspection on why she did not go to a hostel or PG like she has always said... Selfishness is not when he wants to leave her, selfishness is where he still wants to think about himself, his pain, his sufferings, him not being understood...Now that the person, might not be no more can he for once give a thought about her hurt, her pain, her treatment at his house, her leaving everything, here dreams to go away? Thats where I found him selfish...And ofcourse in such situations anyone thinks of how wrong the person was treated in the last few days.. He failed to see he became inhuman to her.. You see in situations like these, people do tend back to go back to the days, when they were rude/bad to the person on the death bed...Here they are not showing him do any of that. It was already disappointing that he chose to reject the fact that he domestically abuse Sai, he still thinks he did the right think...He does not realise he was wrong in letting Pakhi say so many wrong things about her, even when Devi pointed it out so many times.. When you talk so much about your feelings not being understood, for once can you not give a thought about the other person's feelings not being understood, especially when that other person is dying?

He thinks Sai did not understand my feelings, yes she was wrong there, but she should not die and I will go away from her.. Nothing on where he could have gone wrong...Nothing at all.. DOes he not know Sai was the one who hated physical abuse and wanted to leave when he did it the first time...does he not know that could be the reason for her wanting to leave..?

3. He did, for few days showed his displeasure from his anniversary hurt. He did behave selfishly. I was also disappointed that he forgot his basic duties towards Sai. But why cant we just see it as his helplessness to deal with his heartbreak? Any human being will go through it. Judging his love for these things is not fair.

Again I would say the same thing, it is just about his helplessness and his heartbreak.. Where he also denies to see someone else helplessness to leave the college and get away.

4. He DOESNT draw a line with Pakhi. I agree. I am pissed off too, he should learn to shoo her off. But if he doesnt even think Sai is getting effected (Yes he is dumb, and stupid and all), what should he do? Someone has to guide him, or he should realize it. May be till now, he did not realize due to his stupidity. If a person doesnt know he is committing a mistake, then how will he correct it? If he doesnt realize soon, he will lose Sai. But is his realization tied to the purity of love he has for Sai?

Saadhika, This will not work...When we keep saying oh he does not understand anything aout Pakhi..I gave him that benefit of doubt in the early times of his marriage, but not anymore.Then he should re-think about his love. He cant have a woman insulting his wife every now and then , being a silent spectator even when his wife is on her death bed......Many people have already told him...Sunny has told him, his Aai has told him...Sai so many times in her indirect words have told him...Its not about even drawing line, its also about him ganging up with her to isnult her , when things go wrong between them. Again zero retrospection there..

In short, I am able to understand there is no respect for Sai in this relationship because he will let others walk on her, eventhough there are ample instances he stood by her. But will this one 'not able to shut pakhi in front of her' discredit his love? Their marriage might not work because of this because Sai is a girl with self respect, but doubting his love on this one aspect is unfair is what I believe.

The number of times he stood for her now at this stage can be crumpled by the number of times he stood against her...Including the times, when he paid no heed to her saying , she is taunted all day by his family members, she is treated differently by his family members...including the times he let them call out her on her upbringing and let Pakhi insult her calling her with names, that no wife would be able to take...including the times he participated in insulting Sai..

I am just trying to say love and respect are 2 different things. Here, he is failing in respect only in one aspect. Also, lack of understanding which is compounded due to insecurities might cause people to discredit the others and cross the line. But based on this, is it correct to devaluing the genuine feelings?

He does not fail her respect in one aspect..He fails it in so many, when he taunts her or gets upset when she talks about being mistreated by his family, when he asks her to adjust...

Genuine feelings I am not sure, I have been always against the idea that he loves Sai, otherwise he would not have treated her the way he did in the last few days, because she did not reciprocate his feelings or did not understand him.. Regarding patralekha, he has never been upfront about her nor has he tried to maintain his distance from her...Sai knows physically he has maintained his decisions and not emotionally.

I am tagging only 3 here, because I am sad that I am on the other side of opinion from these friends of mine :)

My answers in green.

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Virat's real character is emerging slowly. He will forever be "do kashtiyon mein sawaar" insaan. All his relationships seem questionable - one would think if not for his wife, atleast for his brother he would keep his distance with Pakhi. But everything is about himself - he just doesn't see things from others POV - how his actions are wounding others.

Ofcourse, Samrat was speaking from a place of knowledge. He has slowly gathered all the information - Virat's abusive behavior (past & present), witnessed BFFs ganging up and publicly taunting Sai, was attentive when Devi was chastising Virat for keeping quiet when Pakhi was talking ill about Sai.

If Sai wants to be with him, she will have to make peace with Pakhi being a part of their marriage. When Samrat witnessed Virakhi holding hands - I felt really bad for him. Sai and Samrat will forever be burdened by their spouse's questionable faithfulness. This is how their life will be ....always wondering if they are being cheated upon and best friends trying to confuse them by manipulation - one knowingly and another unknowingly(?). What a depressing thought.

All this time when Virat realized his mistake after abusing Sai - it was because Sai was right (therefore she didn't deserve it) and probably because he still wanted the relationship. Now, on the other hand, from his PoV Sai was wrong (so he wasn't really wrong) and there was no chance of this relationship anyway, so fairness, morality, conscience be damned.

I wasn't expecting any sort of remorse or introspection from Virat. What is infuriating is others blaming him for the accident because he let her go - that was the only good thing he did. I want them to STFU and wait for Sai to come out of danger. And then blast Virat and Pakhi. Virat - not for letting Sai go, but for treating her so badly - locking her up, humiliating her by ganging up with his ex. Virakhi for having an emotional relationship. And Pakhi for all her harassment of Sai.

But I know this will never happen. Just like Samrat and Sai, the audience will forever be left confused - by ambiguous writing.

I agree there... They should shut up..I think Samrat would not have blasted him if he did not see him with Pakhi..Its actually frustrating in a way to see these two always together standing beside each other in any situation for their spouses...

Yes Virat has never realised he has domestically abused Sai...Only the first time he did, when he was told by Aai...The other times he realised only when she was proven right or something untoward happened to Sai...This time he again failed to realise it even when Samrat told him about him abusing her.. But then Sai will sadly fall for this man...You know he is so darawana..I mean you feel bad for him when he cries and then give in...And then next time again he gets angry he mistreats her... These men are real and that cycle is so bad..I keep getting back to it.. Today even I felt bad seeing him standing outside the door...Imagine Sai is in love with him..SHe will give in, without him realising his mistake, without him finally treating Pakhi as KBA...

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Asmi,

I liked how you brought up Samrat's responsibility. I agree and I am glad he questioned as a brother. I have few questions which I would like to ask to understand what might be driving each character.

I genuinely would love to get answers for 4 points below (for now). These questions does not mean I discredit anyone's opinion. they are genuinely my questions to understand the characters, in case I am missing anything. So please dont take it personal.

1. Samrat is a nice person. He likes Sai too. But will he not be biased in judging Virat, because he is in the same boat as Sai? He cant look at Virat objectively. can he? Only whatever little he has seen of Virat and Sai he will base his judgement on him. Besides, he is the one who noticed VIrat's love for Sai as soon as he returned CN till cafe incident.

2. Virat has no introspection, that is sad. But if he 'believes' Sai doesnt love him, just cares for him then what he should do? what options he will have other than to leave her? Will any man or woman who have fallen in love with the other person maintain a platonic relationship staying close? Will they not be miserable? So if Virat wants to move away from her to give her peace and also to stay in peace, why is it his selfishness?

3. He did, for few days showed his displeasure from his anniversary hurt. He did behave selfishly. I was also disappointed that he forgot his basic duties towards Sai. But why cant we just see it as his helplessness to deal with his heartbreak? Any human being will go through it. Judging his love for these things is not fair.

4. He DOESNT draw a line with Pakhi. I agree. I am pissed off too, he should learn to shoo her off. But if he doesnt even think Sai should get effected (Yes he is dumb, and stupid and all because he thinks he is clear enough on his status with pakhi), what should he do? Someone has to guide him, or he should realize it. May be till now, he did not realize due to his stupidity. If a person doesnt know he is committing a mistake, then how will he correct it? If he doesnt realize soon, he will lose Sai. But is his realization tied to the purity of love he has for Sai?

In short, I am able to understand there is no respect for Sai in this relationship because he will let others walk on her, eventhough there are ample instances he stood by her. But will this one 'not able to shut pakhi in front of her' discredit his love? Their marriage might not work because of this because Sai is a girl with self respect, but doubting his love on this one aspect is unfair is what I believe.

I am just trying to say love and respect are 2 different things. Here, he is failing in respect only in one aspect. Also, lack of understanding which is compounded due to insecurities might cause people to discredit the others and cross the line. But based on this, is it correct to devaluing the genuine feelings?

I am tagging only 3 here, because I am sad that I am on the other side of opinion from these friends of mine :)

There can be respect without love but Without respect there is no love . Most important in any relation is respect and it is a must to start any relation with respect whether it is friendship , marriage, parent - kid, or siblings.

I am ok if he doesnot love but not giving respect is not acceptable.

Though you didnt tag me I am hoping that you wouldn’t mind replying to your post.

Imo love and respect are not two different things. If you cannot respect the person you love it’s not love in the first place.

Care, friendship, apnapan, trust everything needs to be based on respecting the other individual.

Love and respect is not mutually exclusive event it’s mutually inclusive one.

Without respect it’s humbug and just satisfies the persons ego that’s all, in this case it’s Virat. Who thinks he cares and loves Sai so much that she should reciprocate those feelings.

And she should feel grateful for it by Virat saying she will realise what family means when she suffers alone dialogues.

Originally posted by: KBBofRCIBC

Though you didnt tag me I am hoping that you wouldn’t mind replying to your post.

Imo love and respect are not two different things. If you cannot respect the person you love it’s not love in the first place.

Care, friendship, apnapan, trust everything needs to be based on respecting the other individual.

Love and respect is not mutually exclusive event it’s mutually inclusive one.

Without respect it’s humbug and just satisfies the persons ego that’s all, in this case it’s Virat. Who thinks he cares and loves Sai so much that she should reciprocate those feelings.

And she should feel grateful for it by Virat saying she will realise what family means when she suffers alone dialogues.

I have been tagging people who are active and I see a lot of people have stopped watching and are enjoying that phase, so you see I wanted to respect that...thinking you have left too ..I wish I soon get over this show..

Anyway the other day I made a post on why I started watching this show..

I saw a clip on Instagram long back that made me want to watch this show, the clip had Virat crying for loosing Patralekha while they share a teary eye lock and there the car encounters a jerk and his first instinct was not to protect the one he was shedding his tears for , but for the child woman beside him. That struck a chord in my heart.. That gave me the premise of the story and that made me want to see the story. That small scene, that chemistry, the background score everything was so so perfect...so so beautiful..Those five seconds mesmerized me.. That Virat astonished me.....It looked like even though this man has romantic feelings for other woman, what precedes all that is, his care for this woman beside him, his protectiveness for this woman , that unknown emotions for this woman. I myself was going through a very low phase in life , but then somehow got hooked to the show with the story, this story becoming my respite...It became my dopamine.. However things looks reversed now...The two women and their positions in his life has changed...That distant memory is now a sham...stands bogus... And its as heart breaking as it could be to realise that.. Yeah just a show, but you get attached to certain things at times...At that point I thought, since they are so close emotionally, physical aspect cant come any time, when the two are ready.... At this point I cant envision them coming together physically, even though they are ready, considering they can never come together emotionally... I always loved the Virat who did not love Sai but the other woman over this Virat who loves Sai but respects the other woman..

About not tagging it was for Sadhika (I hope I am right in remembering her name)

Because she had asked questions and tagged few. And replied to her saying though she didn’t tag I am replying types and thought will include you and Laksh 😊

I am not that active in forum but try to read others pov to know is it just me or others also feel the same way about ghum!

Found couple of users with amazing sense of humour though Nikita and Moonks. It’s fun reading their posts.

I think after today's episode the only person who is in need of a psychiatrist is VIRAT! Sai and PP can make do without one! He has some serious mental health issues that need to be addressed so at least post that he can open his mouth and say the right things instead of going golgol!