MHRW Episode discussion thread 70_ DT NOTE P.141 - Page 2

Originally posted by: rubys07

Reposting this from the AT:

I think Raghav was totally in his element today. I know some were pointing out how emotionally distant RR felt considering the fact that the love of his life is battling death. In the last episode, I felt something was lacking too, hence the disconnect I had. In today's episode, the way he confronts the useless ACP and assures Keerti to not pay any attention to her--the sheer casualness of the whole thing gave me a glimpse of the old Raghav Rao. Here is this guy, whose life essence, soulmate, better-half was lying in that one room, hidden from the world, fighting for every breath--he had every reason to break down and stop functioning altogether but he knew he had loose ends to tie up so he could not be vulnerable, not in front of the world at least. Only behind those closed doors is where he would allow himself to feel and react and cry looking at Pallavi's unresponsive body.

Standing amidst a fire and still being able to use his calculative mind--that's the Hyderabad ka Don I missed. And to top it off, Farhad the Cupid, the Guardian Angel, the brother, the protector of his Anna--these two took me back to good old days

It did indeed take me back to the old days and even when Raghav explained to Farhad that he was about to change his ways and was ok to lose the tender, Farhad understood him. Loved their bond.

Whh i got feeling Farhad won't handover those Pink diamonds 😆

Originally posted by: inlieu

Oh he's just going to become Raghav Pallavi Sawant-Deshmukh.

Do Sawant exist in Pallavi's world 😳

Anyways..... Tomorrow Satyavan brings back Savitri.. Good.. Why all the time Savitri do the honors... Kalyug hai... Kuch badlaav ho 😈

Change is constant as per Raghav's nanna

Waise guys, did anyone notice that our forum points are at all time highest at 1618?

Kudos to all of us!!

I like Raghav changing for his love for P... Amma or Keerthi were not able to do it.. i just hope the initial RR traits remain the same which we saw a glimpse today.. i just get irritated with D fam making faces.. even when they are at fault.. i hope that now the D fam will not start showing their concern for P out of the blue just because of the hate they had for R.. even before knowing anything, VD was making faces when R came to pick aayi... And Keerthi concern

Some random thoughts, just my interpretation of the past few episodes:

We all knew how Raghav would react to all this but the fact that this became a self-fulfilling prophecy is weird, because I don't think the writers meant for this to happen. Previously I would have thought so but the way the writing has been all over the place, I wouldn't attribute such clever twists to them anymore.

At the end of the day, it's the realistic outcome of his decisions that opened his eyes, not Pallavi's refraining from luxuries or yelling at him, failing to take the right approach with him or communicating appropriately. This is why until the last moment he was resisting her words, because he could see no sense. The more she lectured and came across high-handed the more it pushed him the other way and made him adamant about sticking to his current business practices. You want someone to rectify their mistakes? Use the right approach to get through to them and her approach was wrong. In fact, it accelerated all this. Her getting shot is what made him think back and distil her message to get the main point, which she only made once in all these days, but it got lost in their bickering. Otherwise, she had yelled and accused and lectured him pretty much in every other 'conversation'/fight between them. Since this track started, I have understood and empathized with her fear of seeing something bad happen to him or the family. I would feel that way too if I were in her place. I just couldn't connect with her problem solving approach this time.

In his stubbornness he refused to budge because she attacked his pride as a provider and questioned his judgement. Of course, that is all water under the bridge since Pallavi being shot is too serious an issue for Raghav not to introspect. If it had been a close call with the police, would he have seen things the same way and made the big decision he did? Would she have had a chance at seeing the gray, then? I don't think she will ever see it or get it at this point. He is relegated to taking a step back and fixing things but I won't be surprised if her perspective remains black or white.

This is why I don't like how they write Pallavi these days, as though they've forgotten her character sketch. Where is the fiery woman we saw for all these months, especially in the Hyderabad track, who put her points across sensibly and smartly to everyone, keeping in mind their mentality? Where is the Pallavi who tried to see other people's perspectives without having to compromise on her principles? We've seen that Pallavi and supported her and cheered for her. I personally liked her character arc until the Mandaar track but now they seem to be continuing down that path instead of showing her evolving, to the point where she's coming across as yet another FL who is changing her husband. Even if they wanted to go the way of her getting shot, they could have shown her try to explain things to him in a way that he would understand, instead of getting his back against the wall.

There's nothing wrong whatsoever with her desire to see him safe and out of all the illegal mess, in fact it's what one would expect of a life partner, but in this process has she really seen or realized how much she hurt him by removing the scab of his old wounds? She never apologized to him for what happened during the Mandaar track, fine, but did she learn something from it about seeing the other perspectives? About things not being black or white? No.

Writers, please, instead of spending time on side plots that go nowhere, focus a bit more on her back story and character development, otherwise it stagnates and her actions seem no different from any other FL.

I know this is all for drama purposes but I wonder why they had Raghav going into his replica room where he used to cry for his lost family members, and it all hitting home, literally. Was it to make that connect with his past and help him see that he can't put himself in a position where his actions cause serious damage or trauma like it did when he was 17? Was it for Raghav to do a reset of his 17-year-old self and live the 'right' way, the way he could/would have done all those years if he had been rightly guided.

I wish the writers had taken a smarter and more nuanced route to get here (which we know they are perfectly capable of), but this way they've exhausted the NDE of both leads. Ab kya karenge?

Sai's acting was great today but I just couldn't connect to the whole situation at all since yesterday. My brain knew it was sad and that I was supposed to feel bad seeing Pallavi in that critical state and Raghav breaking down, but it didn't reach my heart. I think because the whole track was so messed up and so contrived to get Raghav to change that it didn't work form.

To be clear, I'm all for him operating safely and within the bounds of the law because a life of crime is usually short. I would have preferred him to do this on moral grounds and not because it made him feel guilty or triggered his past trauma. Sure, getting him to be guilt-ridden like this is a shortcut and will get the job done but it will address the symptoms and not the main problem: his thinking that illegal means justify the end goal of being rich. Even if he were to do something illegal but that were totally safe in terms not risking people's lives or his own, would that be acceptable? Where does Raghav want to draw that line?

I do think this fear of losing her (especially since he's lived through such loss before) is going to make him extra cautious but is also likely to make him go off track again, perhaps by being too lenient with others in a bid to not be the Raghav Rao. I don't know why I feel that. I could be totally wrong of course. Ayi's statement about fates of loved ones being intertwined seemed one of foreboding to me. It wasn't about the lesson he had just learned but also the fact that future decisions made by other family members, especially Pallavi, would affect him too. I believe that's what the promo might be about. We have just scratched the surface.

Originally posted by: Muktchand

Do Sawant exist in Pallavi's world 😳

Anyways..... Tomorrow Satyavan brings back Savitri.. Good.. Why all the time Savitri do the honors... Kalyug hai... Kuch badlaav ho 😈

Change is constant as per Raghav's nanna

He has to do the honors because this is his path to redemption and to attaining mahaanta (like ITV FLs).

Originally posted by: Muktchand

Whh i got feeling Farhad won't handover those Pink diamonds 😆

I was wondering that too. For a moment, seeing how fierce he was when threatening Sunny with a gun it reminded me of some movies where the right hand man of the boss starts his own business using all he learned and his own network. Since Raghav is going to stop all this illegal stuff, who will pick up the slack? His competitors must be rejoicing. I still wonder if the ACP is in the pocket of one of his competitors.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Some random thoughts, just my interpretation of the past few episodes:

We all knew how Raghav would react to all this but the fact that this became a self-fulfilling prophecy is weird, because I don't think the writers meant for this to happen. Previously I would have thought so but the way the writing has been all over the place, I wouldn't attribute such clever twists to them anymore.

At the end of the day, it's the realistic outcome of his decisions that opened his eyes, not Pallavi's refraining from luxuries or yelling at him, failing to take the right approach with him or communicating appropriately. This is why until the last moment he was resisting her words, because he could see no sense. The more she lectured and came across high-handed the more it pushed him the other way and made him adamant about sticking to his current business practices. You want someone to rectify their mistakes? Use the right approach to get through to them and her approach was wrong. In fact, it accelerated all this. Her getting shot is what made him think back and distil her message to get the main point, which she only made once in all these days, but it got lost in their bickering. Otherwise, she had yelled and accused and lectured him pretty much in every other 'conversation'/fight between them. Since this track started, I have understood and empathized with her fear of seeing something bad happen to him or the family. I would feel that way too if I were in her place. I just couldn't connect with her problem solving approach this time.

In his stubbornness he refused to budge because she attacked his pride as a provider and questioned his judgement. Of course, that is all water under the bridge since Pallavi being shot is too serious an issue for Raghav not to introspect. If it had been a close call with the police, would he have seen things the same way and made the big decision he did? Would she have had a chance at seeing the gray, then? I don't think she will ever see it or get it at this point. He is relegated to taking a step back and fixing things but I won't be surprised if her perspective remains black or white.

This is why I don't like how they write Pallavi these days, as though they've forgotten her character sketch. Where is the fiery woman we saw for all these months, especially in the Hyderabad track, who put her points across sensibly and smartly to everyone, keeping in mind their mentality? Where is the Pallavi who tried to see other people's perspectives without having to compromise on her principles? We've seen that Pallavi and supported her and cheered for her. I personally liked her character arc until the Mandaar track but now they seem to be continuing down that path instead of showing her evolving, to the point where she's coming across as yet another FL who is changing her husband. Even if they wanted to go the way of her getting shot, they could have shown her try to explain things to him in a way that he would understand, instead of getting his back against the wall.

There's nothing wrong whatsoever with her desire to see him safe and out of all the illegal mess, in fact it's what one would expect of a life partner, but in this process has she really seen or realized how much she hurt him by removing the scab of his old wounds? She never apologized to him for what happened during the Mandaar track, fine, but did she learn something from it about seeing the other perspectives? About things not being black or white? No.

Writers, please, instead of spending time on side plots that go nowhere, focus a bit more on her back story and character development, otherwise it stagnates and her actions seem no different from any other FL.

I know this is all for drama purposes but I wonder why they had Raghav going into his replica room where he used to cry for his lost family members, and it all hitting home, literally. Was it to make that connect with his past and help him see that he can't put himself in a position where his actions cause serious damage or trauma like it did when he was 17? Was it for Raghav to do a reset of his 17-year-old self and live the 'right' way, the way he could/would have done all those years if he had been rightly guided.

I wish the writers had taken a smarter and more nuanced route to get here (which we know they are perfectly capable of), but this way they've exhausted the NDE of both leads. Ab kya karenge?

Sai's acting was great today but I just couldn't connect to the whole situation at all since yesterday. My brain knew it was sad and that I was supposed to feel bad seeing Pallavi in that critical state and Raghav breaking down, but it didn't reach my heart. I think because the whole track was so messed up and so contrived to get Raghav to change that it didn't work form.

To be clear, I'm all for him operating safely and within the bounds of the law because a life of crime is usually short. I would have preferred him to do this on moral grounds and not because it made him feel guilty or triggered his past trauma. Sure, getting him to be guilt-ridden like this is a shortcut and will get the job done but it will address the symptoms and not the main problem: his thinking that illegal business mean justify the end goal of being rich. Even if he were to do something illegal but that were totally safe in terms not risking people's lives or his own, would that be acceptable? Where does Raghav want to draw that line?

I do think this fear of losing her (especially since he's lived through such loss before) is going to make him extra cautious but is also likely to make him go off track again, perhaps by being too lenient with others in a bid to not be the Raghav Rao. I don't know why I feel that. I could be totally wrong of course. Ayi's statement about fates of loved ones being intertwined seemed one of foreboding to me. It wasn't about the lesson he had just learned but also the fact that future decisions made by other family members, especially Pallavi, would affect him too. I believe that's what the promo might be about. We have just scratched the surface.

Agreed

We have seen Raghav's backstory although it felt that they had changed it from their original plans.

No backstory on Pallavi yet aaprt from whatever she has already just told him herself and creepy unwanted Mandar track.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Some random thoughts, just my interpretation of the past few episodes:

We all knew how Raghav would react to all this but the fact that this became a self-fulfilling prophecy is weird, because I don't think the writers meant for this to happen. Previously I would have thought so but the way the writing has been all over the place, I wouldn't attribute such clever twists to them anymore.

At the end of the day, it's the realistic outcome of his decisions that opened his eyes, not Pallavi's refraining from luxuries or yelling at him, failing to take the right approach with him or communicating appropriately. This is why until the last moment he was resisting her words, because he could see no sense. The more she lectured and came across high-handed the more it pushed him the other way and made him adamant about sticking to his current business practices. You want someone to rectify their mistakes? Use the right approach to get through to them and her approach was wrong. In fact, it accelerated all this. Her getting shot is what made him think back and distil her message to get the main point, which she only made once in all these days, but it got lost in their bickering. Otherwise, she had yelled and accused and lectured him pretty much in every other 'conversation'/fight between them. Since this track started, I have understood and empathized with her fear of seeing something bad happen to him or the family. I would feel that way too if I were in her place. I just couldn't connect with her problem solving approach this time.

In his stubbornness he refused to budge because she attacked his pride as a provider and questioned his judgement. Of course, that is all water under the bridge since Pallavi being shot is too serious an issue for Raghav not to introspect. If it had been a close call with the police, would he have seen things the same way and made the big decision he did? Would she have had a chance at seeing the gray, then? I don't think she will ever see it or get it at this point. He is relegated to taking a step back and fixing things but I won't be surprised if her perspective remains black or white.

This is why I don't like how they write Pallavi these days, as though they've forgotten her character sketch. Where is the fiery woman we saw for all these months, especially in the Hyderabad track, who put her points across sensibly and smartly to everyone, keeping in mind their mentality? Where is the Pallavi who tried to see other people's perspectives without having to compromise on her principles? We've seen that Pallavi and supported her and cheered for her. I personally liked her character arc until the Mandaar track but now they seem to be continuing down that path instead of showing her evolving, to the point where she's coming across as yet another FL who is changing her husband. Even if they wanted to go the way of her getting shot, they could have shown her try to explain things to him in a way that he would understand, instead of getting his back against the wall.

There's nothing wrong whatsoever with her desire to see him safe and out of all the illegal mess, in fact it's what one would expect of a life partner, but in this process has she really seen or realized how much she hurt him by removing the scab of his old wounds? She never apologized to him for what happened during the Mandaar track, fine, but did she learn something from it about seeing the other perspectives? About things not being black or white? No.

Writers, please, instead of spending time on side plots that go nowhere, focus a bit more on her back story and character development, otherwise it stagnates and her actions seem no different from any other FL.

I know this is all for drama purposes but I wonder why they had Raghav going into his replica room where he used to cry for his lost family members, and it all hitting home, literally. Was it to make that connect with his past and help him see that he can't put himself in a position where his actions cause serious damage or trauma like it did when he was 17? Was it for Raghav to do a reset of his 17-year-old self and live the 'right' way, the way he could/would have done all those years if he had been rightly guided.

I wish the writers had taken a smarter and more nuanced route to get here (which we know they are perfectly capable of), but this way they've exhausted the NDE of both leads. Ab kya karenge?

Sai's acting was great today but I just couldn't connect to the whole situation at all since yesterday. My brain knew it was sad and that I was supposed to feel bad seeing Pallavi in that critical state and Raghav breaking down, but it didn't reach my heart. I think because the whole track was so messed up and so contrived to get Raghav to change that it didn't work form.

To be clear, I'm all for him operating safely and within the bounds of the law because a life of crime is usually short. I would have preferred him to do this on moral grounds and not because it made him feel guilty or triggered his past trauma. Sure, getting him to be guilt-ridden like this is a shortcut and will get the job done but it will address the symptoms and not the main problem: his thinking that illegal means justify the end goal of being rich. Even if he were to do something illegal but that were totally safe in terms not risking people's lives or his own, would that be acceptable? Where does Raghav want to draw that line?

I do think this fear of losing her (especially since he's lived through such loss before) is going to make him extra cautious but is also likely to make him go off track again, perhaps by being too lenient with others in a bid to not be the Raghav Rao. I don't know why I feel that. I could be totally wrong of course. Ayi's statement about fates of loved ones being intertwined seemed one of foreboding to me. It wasn't about the lesson he had just learned but also the fact that future decisions made by other family members, especially Pallavi, would affect him too. I believe that's what the promo might be about. We have just scratched the surface.

Absolutely loved what you have penned down here. I wish the makers had slowed down a bit and showed us a ideology clash that is progressive and reaching a climax. A different approach to make him understand that she wants him to be safe and doing business within the boundaries of the law. I having been craving to see meaningful conversations between the husband and wife from Mandhar track where they had so many opportunities to show them . I know they won’t make her apologize but atlleast acknowledging his efforts would have been good . I am sure he is going to be apologizing and repenting more for the next few episodes and hopefully they don’t end the track abruptly without proper closure to what the ACP has done so far and also how he goes about his business. Hopefully there is also some change from Pallavi’s side as change is inevitable and is constant and it can’t be one sided always .