Manhandle!! - Page 6

Thank you..well said!! When they started this track I had a zillion misgivings but one solid hope. The silver lining ...we were going to get back the old Raghav and of course the old Pallavi. But my biggest fears...there can never be a solution to different beliefs, only acceptance and compromise. When two people come together in a relationship, they bring two different up bringings, two differet set of experiences, two different set of circumstances and beliefs together. Now if one partner insists its my way or highway, or refuses to aceept the other the way they are...either it becomes just a compromise at that point, where one is dominant and other submissive (like kaka and kaku) or they break up..and you know where this is going!!

Raghav is not Kaka..he cannot be..Pallavi never in her life should be able to mould and shape her husband as per what she likes...thats not a partnership!! Thats a takeover!! Thats invasion or acquisition!! Agreed that she has the right on her side, her reasons are valid but darling, husband is not an ice cream that you can put in the freezer and make it exactly the way you want. Make up your mind ..you want to reform the guy (i don't think he needs to be reformed) or you want to break the guy to fit the image u have in mind!!

And the second reason...the moment they started this track, I knew for me this was the beginning of the end!! Cause this could only result in one thing..Raghav coming to his knees..Raghav breaking (in the name of unnecessary redemption)..he would be humiliated, painted black and unjustified guilt would be heaped on him!! They are just breaking the very essence of Raghav, his indomitable spirit, his larger than life persona..and for what..just to make the FL a virteous paragon!! Consequently at the end, Raghav will never be the same again and Pallavi will be same quintessential Mahaanta aur Tyaag ki murat that we see in every show!! What was different here..Raghav.. and they will now make him the typical joru ka gulaam!! And all self destruction for what..because she has to be has to be white..she has to be right..really?? Where was the need?? What in God's name was wrong with the guy when this track started??

Why is grey not acceptable when the whole world is grey!!

Honestly I am done with this selective type of feminism we love to portray on ITV where a woman can never be wrong and a man can never be right..I prefer to be a realist, not an idealist!! I perefer to be flawed and not a perfection ki devi and I prefer to be a fair humanist than a misguided feminist!!

Note - and all the fuss about the way Raghav talks..what do people do when they fight?? How do we react in real lives?? And what is a real marrige..can we take off the rose tinted lenses for uno momento..if we want real, we have to learn to digest real too!!

Note - and all the fuss about the way Raghav talks..what do people do when they fight?? How do we react in real lives?? And what is a real marrige..can we take off the rose tinted lenses for uno momento..if we want real, we have to learn to digest real too!!

I agree

Originally posted by: eveline

Thank you..well said!! When they started this track I had a zillion misgivings but one solid hope. The silver lining ...we were going to get back the old Raghav and of course the old Pallavi. But my biggest fears...there can never be a solution to different beliefs, only acceptance and compromise. When two people come together in a relationship, they bring two different up bringings, two differet set of experiences, two different set of circumstances and beliefs together. Now if one partner insists its my way or highway, or refuses to aceept the other the way they are...either it becomes just a compromise at that point, where one is dominant and other submissive (like kaka and kaku) or they break up..and you know where this is going!!

Raghav is not Kaka..he cannot be..Pallavi never in her life should be able to mould and shape her husband as per what she likes...thats not a partnership!! Thats a takeover!! Thats invasion or acquisition!! Agreed that she has the right on her side, her reasons are valid but darling, husband is not an ice cream that you can put in the freezer and make it exactly the way you want. Make up your mind ..you want to reform the guy (i don't think he needs to be reformed) or you want to break the guy to fit the image u have in mind!!

And the second reason...the moment they started this track, I knew for me this was the beginning of the end!! Cause this could only result in one thing..Raghav coming to his knees..Raghav breaking (in the name of unnecessary redemption)..he would be humiliated, painted black and unjustified guilt would be heaped on him!! They are just breaking the very essence of Raghav, his indomitable spirit, his larger than life persona..and for what..just to make the FL a virteous paragon!! Consequently at the end, Raghav will never be the same again and Pallavi will be same quintessential Mahaanta aur Tyaag ki murat that we see in every show!! What was different here..Raghav.. and they will now make him the typical joru ka gulaam!! And all self destruction for what..because she has to be has to be white..she has to be right..really?? Where was the need?? What in God's name was wrong with the guy when this track started??

Why is grey not acceptable when the whole world is grey!!

Honestly I am done with this selective type of feminism we love to portray on ITV where a woman can never be wrong and a man can never be right..I prefer to be a realist, not an idealist!! I perefer to be flawed and not a perfection ki devi and I prefer to be a fair humanist than a misguided feminist!!

Note - and all the fuss about the way Raghav talks..what do people do when they fight?? How do we react in real lives?? And what is a real marrige..can we take off the rose tinted lenses for uno momento..if we want real, we have to learn to digest real too!!

@bold, I thought this track was meant to answer these questions but looks like it's going in a different direction. No clue what they want out of this.

@blue, I have the same feeling about all this. Why is calling out a woman for her mistakes and appreciating a man for being right (when the woman is wrong) is seen as anti-feminist or whatever? Frankly, if we talk about gender equality then both the opportunities and misses, rights and wrongs should apply.

Originally posted by: eveline

This, actually almost every single one of my posts, is dedicated to MHRW99..meri kamini BTS dost! ❤️ Honestly if she was not around, you guys would have been spared numerous tortures 🤣!!

Lately I have been feeling like a child, jisske mummy daddy ladne mein itne busy hain ke kissine homework kiya..yeh tak nahin puchcha!! We all feel like anaaths, orphans !! I promise its getting harder!! Newton's law totally taking over...action and reaction are equal and opposite!! The more I try to make u guys laugh, the more Raghav and Pallavi sponsor water works!! Paaglo..ab rulaoge kya!!

Opening...Pallu ..sigh..if only you caress your hubby with such love and emotion..india-pakistan mein shanti ki lehar daud jaati!!

And then enters Dev D or Talli Taandav or Bewada Barood, whatever you like to call him!! I just read that The Alcoholic Beverages Association of Hyderabad is going to honor Raghav as their most valued customer. Ek akela banda saari daaru industry ko single handedly sponsor kar raha hai!! And within a few months..The Saving Liver Association of Doctors will honor him for being their biggest patient...samaaj seva!!

And what he says next is the living proof..that the 1000s of pages and hours we have spent here making fools of ourselves, khaaing family ki gaaliyan, and trying to prove to ourselves and the world that we are not paagals.. is not wasted...they are listening!! Seriously, forum waasio..if only we had made some copyrights on our discussions..sicku jail mein chakki peesing and peesing!!

So Raghav becomes our official spokesperson and Pallavi becomes officially speechless!! Aaj main bolunga..khaak bolega...bolega toh tab jab do minute khada reh paaega..I just realized that its really hard to fight with someone when u are lying down..or falling down!! Hows the Josh?? Leta hai Sir!! 😆

And he says it all!! He could have said plenty and plenty more!! Statutory Warning..It gets serious from here...Its written in bold so the ones not interested can take a bypass..

Words vs actions..what is more hurtful!? Today the forum is an uproar about Raghav's words and tomorrow it will be worse. As hard as it is to believe..I love them both!! So if you can please spare me your graciousness and patience and trust..I will just say a few things:

Yes, he uses harsh words..he always has!! And we all know that!! But Pallavi uses harsher actions!! Today and for the last few episodes I see a man who is drinking himself to oblivion. He seems self-destructive, on the edge!! His pain is overflowing. If the words are hurting Pallavi, her actions are killing Raghav!! Everytime he looks at her he sees her clothes, a constant reminder that he is not taking care of his Pallu, not keeping her happy, not pampering or spoiling her like he has always desperately wanted to. Everytime he sees her eating the food..usske gale se khana nahin utarta..how can he eat good food when his love is barely feeding herself. I bet the food tastes like ashes..his house feels like ruins and his whole life's hard work, an empty waste!!

One word that has stuck with me through these episodes..Raghav Rao is a loser!! And he said it himself!! In essence Pallavi's actions are negating his life's hardwork, his struggles, sacrifices and success!! She is killing the man's honor, pride and dignity!! And if you have men in your lives..be it father or husband or in any role..u do know what it means to them..right??!!

In spite of everything, he did not call her employer cause he can't hurt her..simple!! And loving Pallavi has been the hardest thing in his life..it has torn him apart, shredded his esteem, broken his confidence to bits, tested his patience to the limit and made him an object of ridicule in the eyes of near and dear one...if he says that loving her has been a mistake..is he wrong in this context and scenario?? I know we have quite a few married friends here..just ask them about fights in a marriage..contrary to belief..the fights are massive and ugly!! These words are meant to hurt!!

Pallavi is not wrong, never was but I feel that the way she is going about this is not right!! And Raghav is wrong..whatever the justification, the reason, the whole world does the same argument.. does not change one simple fact..what is wrong is wrong!! But in her place if my man is suffering like this..if he is in so much pain..if my marriage is at a point of no return..I would reconsider my stand!! There are better and less confrontational ways of handling this..but again..she is a puppet in the cvs hands and a fictional character ..main bhi kahaan phasi!!

Coming back to the dynamic duo..Raghav is back to his daily jaap..Don't touch me..Pallu ne toh kabhi nahin kaha par yeh chui mui ki kami puri karke rahega...role reversal!! Me thinks daal mein something black!! Or is it beacuse if she touches you, you will lose yourself..you won't be able to stay angry with her or you will melt or you will happily surrender your hathiyaar..hmm!! 😈

What had me hooting with laughter was his word..manhandle!! Wohi toh problem hai..yeh man hai jo kissi se handle nahin hota!! And Pallavi..bechari aaj kal Saatvik Ahaar pe hain..iss piye huye pahaad ko kya kar legi!! Actually not a bad idea..Pallu try n assault the guy..I still remember his reaction when he woke up without his clothes..haay woh bhi kya din they smuggling toh kya, office jaana hi chhod dega...

And he passes out again..and my mind goes...ab Pallu kahaan soyegi?? Pura bed hathiya liya..maybe she should sleep on him like he did a few months back..🤣..!! Insaaf ki pukaar..tit for tat and Pallu letofy on that!!

Farhaad should get the Paramvir Chakra for the bravest employee..kya idea hai..poke the boss in the eye to make sure he is not dead!! May be I should try that with my boss....just checking whether u r human or not!! And Raghav's hat na..was epic!! Kahaan banda was hoping for a red saree wali mrignayani and kahaan samne khada tha suit wala bhoot!! And his very first thought...Pallu!! Ab bolo..jitna gussa aaya tha is idiot par..sab utar gaya..isski daaru ki tarah!!

And the way he runs..honestly..iss ko olympics mein bhejo!! Ek aur medal pakka..of course finishing line pe Pallavi khada hona mangta.. bronze mila toh chumma, silver mila toh rain sequence aur gold mila toh..waah kya intelligent log hai!! Iss mamle mein never have to finish my sentence!! 🤣

So the guy is now drinking in the day too..Pallu darling ..Hyderabad ka Don, pee pee ke ban jayega Hum Aapke Hain Kaun??

And he doesnt want her congratulations ?? Theek Pallavi..give him your strangulations!!

500 crores..200 crores..seriously?? I would have finished this..truly..but I m still counting the zeroes..ek..do..teen..chaar..kal ka din emosional atyachaar..panch chhe saat ..tissue box ab rakhna saath..aanth nau dus..meri bakwaas hui bus!!

P.S..I know I might have offended a few friends by stating my pov but maaf kar do yaar..just being my crazy, moohfatt self!!

And this is really important... friends you respond with so much appreciation and love on many of my posts but due to the fact that I don't follow India time and certain responsibilities and limitations, I am.unable to respond, but trust me I read each and every word. Thanks a ton ..words are not enough 🤗

I won't bore you with my poor writing skills but will say this post made me both laugh and cry. ❤️

Originally posted by: inlieu

Thanks for this post Eveline.

The parts in bold are exactly how I feel too. Her intention was right but now she's gone off on a tangent as Raghav pointed out and her ego's getting in the way too. She went from legal/illegal to the amount of money required to live a happy life. I don't see why the amount of money you earn has anything to do with it being legal or not. You can steal and still not make a lot of money, or you can make tons of money and it can all be legal. You get the point...

Pallavi fails to see this point with her constant harping on about thode se paise me khush rehna. I would have preferred her to focus more on showing Raghav that he can have a smaller profit margin and still earn a lot money if he cleans up his business. No wonder he feels like she's painting him black and expecting him to turn white, while ignoring all the grays in between. I really hope she learns something out of this too because as they say the road to (Raghav's) hell is paved with good intentions. She reacted very strongly to Abishek's death and then overnight started using these confrontational tactics, and through it all her message was lost. She said she tried to understand him but I don't see this happening. So as his frustration is mounting so is hers, and backing him into a corner isn't going to work. If at all he gives in, it's because he loves her and not because he realizes he needs to stop his illegal activities. So the next time a legal dilemma like this comes up, he'll be back to square one. His questions about the D-fam were really on point because it makes it seem like she has double standards. I've read arguments on the forum and elsewhere about how she cares more for him than others, hence her focus to reform him and not D-fam, but she is still entangled with that family to a great extent, they are part of her inner circle, so this argument falls flat.

And sure, he's her husband and she cares so much about him that she wants to 'save' him from trouble and pain but dard se dard ka ilaaj karna isn't always the best way and definitely not the way she's doing it.

I understand why Raghav is reacting this way, even though I don't like the way he is behaving with her. He's lashing out like a wounded tiger and rather than removing the thorn, she's strewing more in his path. I don't think this is going to work. Amma tried that heavy-handed approach for years and where did that end up? It's all fine to say he's wrong and needs to change his business methods to become legal. Pallavi sees that, we see that, but he himself hasn't felt that compulsion yet. So if she's on a mission to get him to change, she needs to help him understand why, let that feeling arise from within him and then he will do what's necessary. Her words and actions make it seem like she is judging his character in its entirety as opposed to his methods of doing business.

Right now he's moving further and further way from that because of the way she's treating him. He is also acting out every time she tries to 'show him the mirror' and gives him those lectures that are disconnected from reality. If you want to get through to someone you have to communicate in a way that they understand and that shows that you get where they are coming from. Pallavi's not been successful in this regard because the paradigm she's wanting to live in isn't something he can relate to. Also, making him feel inadequate as a provider, hurting not his ego but his pride and his confidence of being able to take care of his family is shoving him into a deeper pit, and he said so a few times already.

Considering Pallavi has had to be in the position of 'provider' to D-fam in the past, I would have expected her to understand this but maybe she will in time. That scene where she sits on the bed, tired after returning from work, her back to him, hunched over, hit him hard because as the richest man in Hyderabad he had to see his wife 'toiling' just to feed herself. (Brilliant scene by the way, no words were used but the emotions were clear in Raghav's eyes). It's not about male ego here but the sense of despair a person feels when suddenly his or her ability to care for the family is being challenged or stripped off. I've been in that position of provider myself as a woman so I totally understand how humiliated he feels (Motwani's words, the medias, etc.) Why doesn't she adjust her tactics?

I've seen many comments about the onus being on Raghav to change. I personally disagree because at present the onus is on Pallavi to use the right approach for her Swachh Raghav Abhiyaan, especially because this is a one-sided effort by her. The day Raghav realizes he wants to turn things around, then I'd say the onus is on him to work on fixing this. That day hasn't yet come. Not sure if I was able to explain this bit... 😕

As for what he's telling her in anger in a drunken state, I wouldn't put much weight there. Couples fight and say all sorts of things and they get over it. As for him saying loving her was a mistake, that comment wasn't directed so much at her as at himself. He had always stayed away from 'love' because he knew it would destroy him, yet he fell into it eventually and is now suffering for it.

About Raghav changing as you said change should come from within himself. People around should have little patience but then when did they have time for him?

Originally posted by: eveline

Thank you..well said!! When they started this track I had a zillion misgivings but one solid hope. The silver lining ...we were going to get back the old Raghav and of course the old Pallavi. But my biggest fears...there can never be a solution to different beliefs, only acceptance and compromise. When two people come together in a relationship, they bring two different up bringings, two differet set of experiences, two different set of circumstances and beliefs together. Now if one partner insists its my way or highway, or refuses to aceept the other the way they are...either it becomes just a compromise at that point, where one is dominant and other submissive (like kaka and kaku) or they break up..and you know where this is going!!

Raghav is not Kaka..he cannot be..Pallavi never in her life should be able to mould and shape her husband as per what she likes...thats not a partnership!! Thats a takeover!! Thats invasion or acquisition!! Agreed that she has the right on her side, her reasons are valid but darling, husband is not an ice cream that you can put in the freezer and make it exactly the way you want. Make up your mind ..you want to reform the guy (i don't think he needs to be reformed) or you want to break the guy to fit the image u have in mind!!

And the second reason...the moment they started this track, I knew for me this was the beginning of the end!! Cause this could only result in one thing..Raghav coming to his knees..Raghav breaking (in the name of unnecessary redemption)..he would be humiliated, painted black and unjustified guilt would be heaped on him!! They are just breaking the very essence of Raghav, his indomitable spirit, his larger than life persona..and for what..just to make the FL a virteous paragon!! Consequently at the end, Raghav will never be the same again and Pallavi will be same quintessential Mahaanta aur Tyaag ki murat that we see in every show!! What was different here..Raghav.. and they will now make him the typical joru ka gulaam!! And all self destruction for what..because she has to be has to be white..she has to be right..really?? Where was the need?? What in God's name was wrong with the guy when this track started??

Why is grey not acceptable when the whole world is grey!!

Honestly I am done with this selective type of feminism we love to portray on ITV where a woman can never be wrong and a man can never be right..I prefer to be a realist, not an idealist!! I perefer to be flawed and not a perfection ki devi and I prefer to be a fair humanist than a misguided feminist!!

Note - and all the fuss about the way Raghav talks..what do people do when they fight?? How do we react in real lives?? And what is a real marrige..can we take off the rose tinted lenses for uno momento..if we want real, we have to learn to digest real too!!

Thank you for making me face my feelings. I can cry for my Raghav one last time and hopefully move on from him. ( which I have been trying and failing since last two months.)