Babakee and Kahiin toh hoga - Page 18

Originally posted by: SteFanSalvaTor

I completely agree with you about Khaani, she grew stronger and just did not let herself weaken in front of the tragedy that Mir Hadi was in her life, he was deranged and ohh boy who would know that a simple and coy girl would break the might Mir Hadi in such a chaotic way? It was more like poetic justice, the day he kidnaps her to marry her the very same day she crushes all his courage down and burns his ego too. What I loved in that scenario was how cold she was, and how unstable he becomes to see her not reciprocating at his provocations. And what follows is a journey of self discovery and victory of the truth, who would know that even Mir Hadi had hidden goodness, unless he allowed himself to let go of her. I love Khaani for so many reasons, not because that this is one of those shows where the ML lead has a redemption arc (usually most desi shows do not have one, or even if they have one it is too fake and shabby), where the ML despite being problematic carries the show's narrative and where there is a tragic love story but the love story is still not two sided, and it should have been that way. Khaani also signifies how parents play a huge role in a child's life, the way Hadi questions his parents moral ground every second during his repentance, the way he questions his own upbringing, every freaking thing was so good. Also the fact that the message was more like the Almighty forgives even such big crimes like murder, only if you truly repent. The last episode was ice-cold for me, as much as I loved how Mir Hadi got a chance to live instead of dying, the moment he begs Khaani for his execution to take place was all goosebumps, I love this show so much. The only thing which I did not like was Khaani getting married, I mean Mir Hadi's redemption arc and Khaani trying to get justice for Sarim could be done even without the inclusion of any side kick husband, at some point her husband was so annoying, he served no purpose but a overtly sugar coated character trying to look good, WTH was that?

The rom-com which Feroze-Sana did is not as iconic as Khaani but I heard it was a super hit though, but yeah, I think their upcoming show is not a comedy but an intense one, and when it comes to that genre I think Feroze excels, and surprisingly he has really good chemistry with most of his costars. Also, since KAM3 is having a blockbuster run, I believe the upcoming show will only have more hype as it will be expected to live upto the hype of both Khaani and KAM3 combined. it is a lot of pressure on the team though.

I will watch WAP in YT, and I just watched the OST, seems like Feroze's ishqiya costar Ramsha is here too, it looks like the FL is older to him and it is a different kind of show then. I did not watch GER yet because as you have said, I myself cannot take much toxicity when the character shave no comebacks, and I know that Feroze's character in GER was probably one of that kind, but maybe I will just watch it for his performance. I will definitely watch Meer Abru since it is remake of my all time favorite KTH, I hope YT has it. Danish is good, but again with Deewangi both Sultan and Nageen are such unlikable characters, unlike Khaani where both Hadi and Khaani had things I could like, but Sultan is just brain dead, he fell in love without any reason, and Nageen behaves like old Ekta heroines most of the times, and also the leads lack chemistry, I do not know whether I will be able to finish it but I will try. Apparently Danish's current show Ish hai also have him being toxic at his best..

I agree with you ZGH was definitely problematic, but I liked how the characters were relatable, Kashaf was more problematic than Zaroon but at least we know why she was like that, I mean I can like very flawed characters if given a good enough foundation, like in Humsafar I felt very bad for Sara even though she was psychotic and she ruined both her own life and Asher's life too, but her misery had me in tears too, so shows where we have problematic characters but they still win your sympathy are something I will always sit and watch.

If you have not watched JNDSD then you can give it a try, both the ML and FL are so likable, one of the underrated shows, the show is heavily inspired with concepts of honor killing and Hum dil de chuke sanam, but the best thing is that the characters of FL and ML are always true to the writing at least till the first one year. It is not a toxic or arrogant male lead show though, after a certain time they tried to shove down the FL's unwanted Husband down our throats, but well, the love story was too good between the main leads.

Rebooting old classics is only to massage her own ego, Ekta is one woman who can do anything for her ego, coincidentally, both Rajeev and Iqbal refused to massage her ego and they had to quit their shows, KTH went to dogs after Rajeev's exit, I do not think anyone cared to watch post that comical plastic surgery of Sujal.

When Khaani burns his ego during the kidnapping, Hadi couldn't do anything else. You can't break down a person when there is nothing left to breakdown. Hadi thrived on power and Khaani took that away from him. This was one of those times, the parents were truly at fault. So many times people have a habit of blaming parents for children's shortcomings even when they tried their best but Hadi's parents really did spoil him and did not correct him at the right time. It was to the point that even murdering someone was no big deal. Oh he killed someone? Well too bad for them. Hadi's salvation was his letting go of Khaani and repenting. It's like that's the moment God accepted him while before that there were no real blessings in his life, like he had everything and nothing. Hadi even had my parents sympathizing with him, it truly was his show. Agreed about the marriage and husband. My issue with Khaani getting married was the half baked husband character and the fact that he was played by an actor I just do not like. This fool got married to Sana's character in a previous show which I am still salty about and that was 7 years ago!

Feroze is a natural. I never liked him off-screen but I could never deny that he's a good actor. He really does have good chemistry with all his costars and he is a reliable actor especially in an intense role. Even in WAP he has some intense, crazed moments. Unfortunately, HUM has muted portions in the episodes on YT which ruins the dialogues. If you get annoyed with YT then watch on Dailymotion or MXplayer as they won't be muted. Lol yup, Ramsha is in it but don't worry she isn't a zombie here. I just remembered that Noor Hasan, the hero of Meer Abru was also in Humsafar. He was the guy who liked Sarah and ruined Khirad's rep. Lol @ Deewangi, this is why I suggested Ab Dekh Khuda Kya Karta Hai instead. It's depressing but the FL is good and Danish is even better.

I thought Zaroon was more problematic due to his misogyny because Kashaf actually had a reason for her flaws. Their marriage didn't make sense to me either. I guess I am salty that she agreed to problematic Zaroon but not nice guy Usama who always liked and respected her. I prefer other shows over ZGH and Humsafar.

Ekta needs to learn to leave well enough alone and end shows in a timely manner. I guess that can be said about most ITV shows. So many good shows get ruined because of this. I do prefer Ekta over Gul though because her heroes are better.

Originally posted by: loveandhope9204

I've not watched KYPH but that sounds horrifying Kripa Ew.

So true! Only a sick person can reveal intimate secrets about himself and his wife to another man. Sujal fought the battle with his brains and in the business world, but Piyush was no match to him there. So he had to stoop down now to any level to hurt Sujal and this was the best he could come up with.🤢 Kashish and Piyush together hurt Sujal so much and uff Rajeev's face to the character, made it a landmark character. Simply iconic. The audience cheered for Sujal at every step along the way. That's what Harshad was talking about, that the moment he saw Rajeev walk up the stage in award shows, the crowd would go wild. Ronit added saying, 'it's massive ya!' Just goes on to say, how much the audience also hated Kashish Piyush😆

Btw, Rohit Bakshi is no where to be seen in the industry? He's just gayab! Nobody even talks or asks of him, I wonder where he is. Even Gurpreet is still around and I read articles about him here and there.

Kripa was a sick human being, Angad also did some very toxic stuff but well Kripa defeated him though, Sujal was classy though, cannot say that about Angad, Sujal had a spine.

Yes, Piyush's legendary bakwaas was so unacceptable at a point that every single audience prayed that either sujal kills him or kashish in her devi avatar dumps him, thankfully he died varna cannot imagine him hovering around with the title of 'kashish ka pati' and reminding Sujal about his epic virginity loss 🤔

I hated Piyush so much, I wonder whether I would hate any 3rd wheel with this much passion, like neither he had business skills, nor heroic skills, what was the purpose of this character? The only purpose was to make kashish go all deranged and evil.

KYPH is good, you can try watching it, Angad is not a Sujal and is very wild and toxic but once he falls in love, he does prove how love can ruin oneself, Sujal and Angad ruined themselves for women who did not deserve them 😃

Originally posted by: SteFanSalvaTor

Kripa was a sick human being, Angad also did some very toxic stuff but well Kripa defeated him though, Sujal was classy though, cannot say that about Angad, Sujal had a spine.

Yes, Piyush's legendary bakwaas was so unacceptable at a point that every single audience prayed that either sujal kills him or kashish in her devi avatar dumps him, thankfully he died varna cannot imagine him hovering around with the title of 'kashish ka pati' and reminding Sujal about his epic virginity loss 🤔

I hated Piyush so much, I wonder whether I would hate any 3rd wheel with this much passion, like neither he had business skills, nor heroic skills, what was the purpose of this character? The only purpose was to make kashish go all deranged and evil.

KYPH is good, you can try watching it, Angad is not a Sujal and is very wild and toxic but once he falls in love, he does prove how love can ruin oneself, Sujal and Angad ruined themselves for women who did not deserve them 😃

I've watched maybe 2-3 episodes of KYPH here and there, but never the whole series. Didn't understand the storyline fully then.. cause there used to be another show on zee tv that aired the same time, called "Tum bin jaaon kahan". I used to be hooked to that too, just to want to see the main lead meet😆 But KYPH sounds like a good show too.

Kya din thay woh and what shows these classic were🤪I feel sad associating KTH with my childhood, where to this day I am as inspired by Kashish's style and I try to find a glimpse of Sujal in every man I like😆 Time just flew past us😭 But Rajeev will always be our Sujal. I wish miraculously Ekta stumbles upon this thread and brings Raj Aamna back onscreen❤️

When KTH was at it's peak, this Ad came and they put a huge banner with a beautiful picture of Raj Aamna, right outside my school of this Nescafe Ad! I was NEVER more happier to attend school🤣 I would diligently go and not take any chutti between the days that their banner was outside my school

My Mom and Dad on Sundays, would go to a shop infront of my school to get groceries and I would jump and *proudly* point the banner out to them, as if Rajeev and Aamna were my Kashish di and Big B🤣

My dad would be like 'calm down'. And later when he saw Rajeev in LRL, he became a huge fan and started watching Rajeev in LRL, got hooked and also when the KTH reruns in Star Utsav came. My Dad btw, was never into bollywood or iTV. He loves to watch Hollywood films, sports, news, politics. Rajeev was the only exception and ajooba in his life. My whole family is proud of Rajeev for doing the impossible, in my Dad's life.😆

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Hey Dexter!!

Remember me, it's Pearl here...

I started this topic but never thought the discussion would go on so long...😁

I skimmed through Bebakee and Lord help me, it was a mess. You should definitely skim through it for you would get more reasons to hate Ekta.

So yup Sujal was the best ever and atleast Kashish was gorgeous enough that I could somewhat justify men falling crazily for her. But the female lead of bebakee was strictly average and I do not want to compare Tondon's portrayal to Rajeev's.

But man, the sets, locations and original soundtrack are out of a movie set and I so wish Raj-Aamna had graced them.

Classic promos. KTH had such a different vibe - like no other. Pure class.

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https://youtu.be/K6D3M5Sd9NQ ❤❤❤❤

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Wow this thread is just burning with iconic Sujan Kashish chemistry.

I am huge huge fan of Rajeev and sujal the one and only iconic hero of itv according to me none can come close to him in acting,

Expressions, obsession, passion and love of sujal portrayed by Rajeev will always remain iconic.

Nobody can come close to him.

Thank you thread maker for starting this topic.

I can go on and on on sujal…..

A huge pankhi of Rajeev aka sujal.

Originally posted by: SteFanSalvaTor

Bingo! Hadi's salvation was the fact that he found an unknown and unwanted sukoon or happiness the day he let Khaani go, the day Mithal tells him that 'Your love is selfless as you have let her go' and then Hadi drops his alcohol bottle and kisses Mithal's wrist, that was the most beautiful realization of a selfless deed I have ever seen, and beautifully enacted by Feroze. Not only your parents, I feel the majority who have watched the show, have claimed that it was Mir Hadi show, and after his redemption arc, I do not know why would not majority sympathize with him? I never wanted Khaani to fall for him, because the beauty of Hadi's redemption was that he himself never wanted Khaani back and agreed that he does not deserve her, hardly I see male leads doing that, he will be my all time favorite I swear.

I disliked Arham, not because he married the woman for whom the hero was ruining himself but because his character had zero purpose, Hadi's conviction would be impossible if Hadi himself would not come clean and confess his crime, I do not see why Arham was made to look like he supported Khaani for the justice while the justice was only served because Hadi wanted it (Even Khaani's father says that at the end). Also, in one of the episode Arhaam meets Hadi in jail and boasts about 'winning Khaani', WTH was that? Khaani was no trophy, and what was he trying to do by provoking Hadi in that state? I do not know whether it is Feroze's performance or the character himself, but I felt like Arhaam's behavior was too low here, there was no achievement if bragging about being Khaani's husband in front of Mir Hadi.

About the parents, well applause for the actors who played Hadi's parents, but the characters again were better written and performed than Khaani's parents. I loved how Hadi makes his mother realize that how she ruined her only son, by never allowing him to be humble and making him sick with power and money, what could have been a beautiful human being with compassion, they kind of blinded him to be a monster and he himself discovers that there was goodness in him too. Hadi's father's suicide note was the most tragic scene of this show, and again I do not know why I felt for the Mirs more than the khans, is it because the Mirs had better actors who nailed their tragedy better or was the writer intending to do so?

Sana was outstanding as Khaani, but I felt after 12th episode her character had zero growth, and I do not know is it only me, or did everyone felt like Khani herself knew that Hadi would not harm her or touch her when he abducted her, her confidence and the coldness with which she asked him to do whatever he wants, had me thinking deep down she knew that Mir Hadi would not ruin her dignity.

Well, as long as onscreen he is delivering such performances, I think I am fine, afterall I think it is rare when I have actually been so fond of someone's performance, it happened to me after so long, i do not even remember the last time an actor had impressed me so much. All his costars talk very nicely of him though, and yes just like Fawad, I think even Feroze shares natural chemistry with the actresses he has worked with. I have started watching WAP in YT, and it is hard to believe that Feroze is playing a coward, but well Ramsha and him are having such a cute chemistry here, despite the zombie and plane pathetic character she had in Ishqiya.

Well Khizar is iconic, he ruined Asher to win Sara knowing that Sara was ruining Khirad to win Ashar, LMAO this equation always confuses me, like if he loved Sara why would he help her in winning he rlove, no way Khizar did not understand that Sara was psychotic and made for Asher. Since, we are talking about HS, I think I did sympathize with Sara though, she would definitely be with Asher had he not been the son of a father whose sister was dying, tragedies like Khaani and Humsafar, I love, but I disliked Humsafar for whatever happened later, I loved Khaani till the end though. I will surely try Ab dekh khuda, I think I can follow one show at a time due to time constraints

I think Zaroon grew up in a family where he felt like empowered women meant disrespecting the men or even being ignorant to the needs of the kids and their upbringing, the way they showed why Zaroon was like that was more because he was a chauvinist but that chauvinism started being more evident once he started seeing his sister's marriage fall apart and his mother being ignorant towards that. Kashaf did not agree to Usama because from college days she did have attraction for Zaroon, even though she never accepted it or they never made it evident but her extra-dislike for Zaroon (just because he was rich) and then not being comfortable in his vicinity, all indicated that somewhere he bothered her, not as a rival but as an opposite gender too whom she never thought to be as important as he was for her. Also, Kashaf herself was a misandrist, one might say she had reasons, but then her mother and sister had reasons too, but they were never pro 'hate every man' or 'hate every rich kid', at times I felt Kashaf's misandrist would make more sense had her sisters also hold those views, because in Zaroon's case, both Sara and Zaroon was shown to make wrong decisions due to bad/poor parenting, whereas in Kashaf's case, her sisters seemed to be happy with life and studies while she cribbed non stop, I still do not understand how? Humsafar was depressive, Sara killed herself for someone who ruined himself and his wife too, sighs, I do not know why, but had Fawad not been Asher, the show would suck I guess.

Yes, Ekta heroes are better though, at least they never call their women 'rakheils', Gul heroes are pathetic, worse, worst

This man had never known peace. A man who has only known power and always got everything he ever pointed at, for him to let go of his greatest obsession speaks volumes of his potential. This was someone who had the ability to grow and change. He had it in him to be selfless and giving but his parents didn't nurture his innate goodness. This lack of foresight and unwillingness to teach their child that all actions have consequences destroyed two families; theirs and Khaani's and who knows how many other lives. I think Hadi's parents resonated more because they were given stronger characters. Khaani's parents were meant to be weak and accepting of their fate as they had no options. They were the cookie cutter, good, middle class people while Hadi's parents were more intricate.

Yes, to me it didn't matter that Khaani got married as such but that Arham's character was half baked and there just wasn't anything compelling about him. The fact that a weak actor with no screen presence played him didn't help either. The jail scene was probably Arham not thinking straight in front of Hadi, his excitement making him say that he won Khaani but it can also be seen as him showing Hadi that he won Khaani's heart and not necessarily that he won Khaani. I can see his purpose in the sense that it was another way to show Khaani's strength in the face of tragedy; that she was ready to move on in her life with a partner that loved and supported her. Now, Khaani belonged to a helpless, middle class family that was being harassed by a rich and powerful man. They had already lost a son and needed to protect their remaining children, the daughters. Khaani was ready for marriage, and for the family it was likely a way to get her away from Hadi; a solution to their problems.

Hadi's parents had the better written characters. There was so much more going on with them with many layers compared to Khaani's family that got to a stalemate I guess you can say. They were the oppressed while all the action was on Hadi's side. What's interesting is that the mother who had a hand in turning Hadi into a monster basically was the same woman who saved him from an early death and got him genuine forgiveness. It's because of that same mother that Hadi got to live a longer life that allowed him to walk the path of spirituality and goodness, fulfilling the obligations of his religion, and change the lives of others for the better. He was given the chance to rehabilitate and bring about positive changes within those around him and once these people are released they were probably less likely to reoffend. That was his mother's salvation!

I don't think it was necessarily Khaani knowing Hadi won't touch her but that she was done with everything and knew that Hadi got off on power. She probably knew that if she took that away from him he would be left with nothing. There would be no fun or satisfaction for him to gain from someone who just didn't care.

Feroze is a natural! He went from a toxic, abusive man in GER to a coward in WAP. Everything Arish does in WAP is due to being a coward. It's so fascinating to watch the various motivations driving the actions of characters in these shows. Hadi was driven by power and obsession, Hamza of Ishqiya was driven by vengeance, and Arish of WAP was driven by his cowardice and guilt. Lol I felt bad for Ramsha in Ishqiya, that was just a weak character but she's good in other shows. What did you think about the ending of Ishqiya? WAP was her first show.

Oh yes Khizer was his name lol. I think Khizer was made to believe he would get Sarah if he helped. People become so foolish in love. I liked Sarah too and I think a lot of people did. She really made you feel for her and that's not an easy feat when you are playing a psychotic, obsessive character. It was also due to the fact that Sarah was acted better than Khirad. Btw. if you liked Naveen Waqar (Sarah) then I can suggest a show of hers some day too. Lol I usually watch 1 or 2 dramas at a time myself. Would love to hear your opinion on both WAP and ADKKKH as you watch them. Do you post on PSF here while watching current dramas?

Oh yeah another problematic aspect of ZGH, where a working woman such as Zaroon's mother is shown as disrespectful towards her husband and the husband is shown to be a better person. I prefer Umera Ahmad's other works. I dunno if she had any attraction towards Zaroon. It didn't seem that way to me. She just disliked him and what he respresented. His attitude didn't help either. Usama himself came from a rich family too right? He however, was in stark contrast to Zaroon. I guess nice guys really do finish last. I do agree that Kashaf was a misandrist and her sisters didn't hold those views because they were the little sisters and their young age at the time their father abandoned them likely shielded them from growing bitter. They were more easily able to get over that abandonment than the more grown Kashaf who had a greater understanding of the situation. The tagline of the story was "na shukri se shukri ka safar" and that applies to Kashaf. Agreed about Humsafar, Fawad made that show because Mahira was pretty weak and I really do not like when dramas resort to suicide to give someone closure or punishment. Weak writing.