Babakee and Kahiin toh hoga - Page 12

Originally posted by: loveandhope9204

iTV was at it's peak in the 2000-2010 phase. The only show I found bearable outside of 2010 was Iss Pyaa Ko which was Gul Mata's show, but I didn't like how physical Arnav got with Khushi most of the times.

After 2010, it's unfortunate how the quality of iTV has gone to the dogs. I mean I cannot believe Gopi Bahu show came after KTH?!😲 KTH had more class in those days, then the shows we see these days, which are a pile of regressive crap. Feels like the more we're progressing in years, the regressive iTV is getting.

And Kashish is an "Adhbhut creation" of iTV. The lady will scream at the top of her lungs that 'main nahi karti hoon Sujal se pyaar' and then also scream 'Karti hoon main Sujal se pyaar'🤣 She wanted to drive Sujal crazy, but in the end Sujal drove her craazyy 🤣

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiIpP7MFT0c[/YOUTUBE]

Kashish herself did not know what she wanted, it was a clear case of riled up hormones too, at one side, she could not stop herself from sleeping with him on the other hand her satyanashi cartoon dead husband and uska maut, everything was 🤣🤣

Akshat bechara was like fandom ki awaaz, he was such a a shipper though, every time kashish would open her manhooz mouth and bitch about Sujal, Akshat would go all fanboy mode and unleash his 'Sujal is an iconic lover, PERIOD'🤣🤣

Coming back to Gul Mata, she can never make FLs as gray as kashish and MLs as sanki as Sujal, she can only dream of toxicity in her shows, the gray area was so well explored by Ekta though, be it KTH or even KYPH, both the shows peaked with top class satyanashi mohabbat jo barbaad karde sabko, now a days we only see Naag naagins and mendaks fighting for love, whereas previously we would see human being going deranged mode and being all selfishly and unapologetically mad in love, that was one hell of an ITV ride.

Does anyone remember Kashish's sister, Charu, who fixes her lunacy on Sujal and marries him too? 😆 And then kills herself when her lies are busted. I thanked the Lord a million times that Rajiv K was gone by then.

^^ I remember Chaaru and I liked Surveen. 😳 Apparently Aamna and her didn't get along well later, as Aamna had problems with Chaaru's character gaining more air time. She almost became the second lead then.

I didn't like Thushar and I am glad RK was not in that phase. But heck, I'd have supported any girl who truly loved Sujal and treated him the way he deserved to be treated. I even supported Archie over Kashish, when Sujal-Archie got together, even though I knew Archie was wrong.😆 Atleast she actually loved him, same goes for Chaaru.

Originally posted by: canuck-umz

I appreciated Khaani so much for that very reason; the fact that Khaani never felt anything for Hadi at any point because his crime was so big. This was no mistake or accident, it was cold blooded murder. Then there's the fact that Hadi harassed and humiliated the entire family and stalked Khaani. Khaani started out as a weak FL and you wouldn't expect her to become a courageous woman willing to face powerful people. Some people would lose all their strength after a death of a loved one and this was Khaani's twin brother! Instead Khaani becomes stronger! Even when she starts loving her secret admirer she is able to get over it upon finding out his identity. Hadi got his redemption once he let go of Khaani, admitted to his crimes, and accepted his fate. Once he stopped directing his energy towards his love for Khaani and instead directed it towards loving God he found his peace. It wouldn't have had the same impact if Khaani had fallen in love and accepted him. Feroze and Sana did a romcom together after Khaani but it did not get that kind of fame so we can't say for sure if their new show will be worth it.

Woh Aik Pal was reuploaded by Hum but muted in places so it's hard to watch due to that. Apparently it's on MX Player so if you have access to that you can watch it there. Gul e Rana was super toxic so I could never like it. I hate shows with toxic men (or women) who don't get their comeuppance. Imran Ashraf (REB) was also in that show. So many people did not like Imran before for that same reason, that he did not look like hero material and I am like you gotta give him a chance. Anyways, he was in some shows that gained popularity and people ended up loving him. My favourite show of Danish is Ab Dekh Khuda Kya Karta Hai (it was popular too) where he was the ML but not the hero and it was after this show that he played a similar role in Deewangi. Oh if you like male centric shows especially involving a flawed, arrogant ML with a redemption arc then try Dushman e Jaan.

Yes to Durga of EHT! I did not watch JNDSD so can't say but there have been some strong FLs. Too bad it's always on shows that don't get ratings. Pakistani shows have a lot of great FLs so I wouldn't be able to name any. Although an amazing show, I am not a big fan of ZGH because I found it problematic, both ML and FL. I loved Bano and Khaani though. Do tell me if you try Meer Abru.

I just don't understand why we need remakes of shows that were complete? These shows ran for years, were stretched like no tomorrow and then completed. Why do we need more of them? Why do we need sequels or reboots? Why ruin their legacy? I adore Rajeev so having someone like Kushal playing that role is shocking and a complete downgrade.

I completely agree with you about Khaani, she grew stronger and just did not let herself weaken in front of the tragedy that Mir Hadi was in her life, he was deranged and ohh boy who would know that a simple and coy girl would break the might Mir Hadi in such a chaotic way? It was more like poetic justice, the day he kidnaps her to marry her the very same day she crushes all his courage down and burns his ego too. What I loved in that scenario was how cold she was, and how unstable he becomes to see her not reciprocating at his provocations. And what follows is a journey of self discovery and victory of the truth, who would know that even Mir Hadi had hidden goodness, unless he allowed himself to let go of her. I love Khaani for so many reasons, not because that this is one of those shows where the ML lead has a redemption arc (usually most desi shows do not have one, or even if they have one it is too fake and shabby), where the ML despite being problematic carries the show's narrative and where there is a tragic love story but the love story is still not two sided, and it should have been that way. Khaani also signifies how parents play a huge role in a child's life, the way Hadi questions his parents moral ground every second during his repentance, the way he questions his own upbringing, every freaking thing was so good. Also the fact that the message was more like the Almighty forgives even such big crimes like murder, only if you truly repent. The last episode was ice-cold for me, as much as I loved how Mir Hadi got a chance to live instead of dying, the moment he begs Khaani for his execution to take place was all goosebumps, I love this show so much. The only thing which I did not like was Khaani getting married, I mean Mir Hadi's redemption arc and Khaani trying to get justice for Sarim could be done even without the inclusion of any side kick husband, at some point her husband was so annoying, he served no purpose but a overtly sugar coated character trying to look good, WTH was that?

The rom-com which Feroze-Sana did is not as iconic as Khaani but I heard it was a super hit though, but yeah, I think their upcoming show is not a comedy but an intense one, and when it comes to that genre I think Feroze excels, and surprisingly he has really good chemistry with most of his costars. Also, since KAM3 is having a blockbuster run, I believe the upcoming show will only have more hype as it will be expected to live upto the hype of both Khaani and KAM3 combined. it is a lot of pressure on the team though.

I will watch WAP in YT, and I just watched the OST, seems like Feroze's ishqiya costar Ramsha is here too, it looks like the FL is older to him and it is a different kind of show then. I did not watch GER yet because as you have said, I myself cannot take much toxicity when the character shave no comebacks, and I know that Feroze's character in GER was probably one of that kind, but maybe I will just watch it for his performance. I will definitely watch Meer Abru since it is remake of my all time favorite KTH, I hope YT has it. Danish is good, but again with Deewangi both Sultan and Nageen are such unlikable characters, unlike Khaani where both Hadi and Khaani had things I could like, but Sultan is just brain dead, he fell in love without any reason, and Nageen behaves like old Ekta heroines most of the times, and also the leads lack chemistry, I do not know whether I will be able to finish it but I will try. Apparently Danish's current show Ish hai also have him being toxic at his best..😆

I agree with you ZGH was definitely problematic, but I liked how the characters were relatable, Kashaf was more problematic than Zaroon but at least we know why she was like that, I mean I can like very flawed characters if given a good enough foundation, like in Humsafar I felt very bad for Sara even though she was psychotic and she ruined both her own life and Asher's life too, but her misery had me in tears too, so shows where we have problematic characters but they still win your sympathy are something I will always sit and watch.

If you have not watched JNDSD then you can give it a try, both the ML and FL are so likable, one of the underrated shows, the show is heavily inspired with concepts of honor killing and Hum dil de chuke sanam, but the best thing is that the characters of FL and ML are always true to the writing at least till the first one year. It is not a toxic or arrogant male lead show though, after a certain time they tried to shove down the FL's unwanted Husband down our throats, but well, the love story was too good between the main leads.

Rebooting old classics is only to massage her own ego, Ekta is one woman who can do anything for her ego, coincidentally, both Rajeev and Iqbal refused to massage her ego and they had to quit their shows, KTH went to dogs after Rajeev's exit, I do not think anyone cared to watch post that comical plastic surgery of Sujal.

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

Does anyone remember Kashish's sister, Charu, who fixes her lunacy on Sujal and marries him too? 😆 And then kills herself when her lies are busted. I thanked the Lord a million times that Rajiv K was gone by then.

The main plot was always a Sujal-Charu marriage, even when Rajeev was there and it was planned even before Sujal-Kashish marriage, it was Rajeev who vehemently went against Balaji creatives and stopped this circus. Ekta always had a fetish to make the ML some how have one night stand or fling with FL's sister, she did it in Kasam se, and she did that in Kis desh too. However, Rajeev was firm that he would not play Sujal if Sujal slept with Charu while being in marriage with Kashish because that would totally ruin the essence of his character, Ekta's ego obviously was bigger than Rajeev's ego, she ensured that Rajeev quits, and Charu-Sujal happens even if it was with a plastic faced guy who was no way capable of playing Sujal.

Originally posted by: Haal-e-Dil

Sujal kashish ka antics were bearable cause charizma + pretty looking people 😆

ohhhh u mean ib. Damn didn't follow it much but that rakheil shit it faltoo. Bt gul runs on these things, now she remakes other regional shows so the shit is pre written and approved 😂😂😂

Akshat was that the lawyer who took Sujal ka case when he went to jail? He legit told to kashish I believe him and truth and kashish u are a moron😂😂😂😂 rishi to never liked her and honestly at times he was sane. Others gave kashish Lee way to do what she wanted. That Piyush ki vidhwa ufff nail on board effect😵

I felt so bad for angad but dear lord they both were shit and phone video whatever was disgusting. Crime petrol epis start like this next epi murder suicide. Imagine that happened and then reincarnation 😂😂😂😂 angad had monk like self control damnnn

Angad-Kripa was just pure toxicity I swear, both hated each other at some point so badly, still Angad was the better one because I hated Kripa from my guts, also the fact that the actress was so bad made it easy to hate the character.

Akshat was the lawyer who fought Sujal's case, but Sujal was another kind of sanki loser, he confessed about his unknow fraud activity even before Akshat could prove his innocence, I loved it how Akshat trolled Kashish by saying that 'Sujal is such a loser that he loved a selfish woman like you'🤣

KTH main problem was Kashish never paid for her actions, she wronged Sujal in so many ways, even before Piyush's death, and also after Piyush's death but no, everyone including Sujal wanted to worship her selfish ass, Rishi and Vasu were the only sane ones who always saw that she enjoyed Sujal losing his shit for her.

Originally posted by: SteFanSalvaTor

The main plot was always a Sujal-Charu marriage, even when Rajeev was there and it was planned even before Sujal-Kashish marriage, it was Rajeev who vehemently went against Balaji creatives and stopped this circus. Ekta always had a fetish to make the ML some how have one night stand or fling with FL's sister, she did it in Kasam se, and she did that in Kis desh too. However, Rajeev was firm that he would not play Sujal if Sujal slept with Charu while being in marriage with Kashish because that would totally ruin the essence of his character, Ekta's ego obviously was bigger than Rajeev's ego, she ensured that Rajeev quits, and Charu-Sujal happens even if it was with a plastic faced guy who was no way capable of playing Sujal.

I did NOT know any of this ... this is all really interesting information. 😆 I'm so glad Rajeev put his foot down and stopped Charu from happening. That would have killed the Kashish-Sujal chemistry that we still talk about to this day!

Ekta's face @ 1.32 & 2.38 😆

This was after he quit KTH and was doing LRL.

Thushar-Chaaru track was in full swing. Parallelly Jai-Piya-Bani triangle in full swing in Kasamh Se. Ram Kapoor was nominated for the same award.

Phuraskar woh le gaya, jisse nahi le jaana tha 😆

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQt8rZdBp_k[/YOUTUBE]

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

I did NOT know any of this ... this is all really interesting information. 😆 I'm so glad Rajeev put his foot down and stopped Charu from happening. That would have killed the Kashish-Sujal chemistry that we still talk about to this day!

yes, according to gossip mills Ekta had seen spark in Surveen-Raj being a sizzling couple and she wanted to explore that angle always, those days Sujal's half brother Swayam enters and the plot was supposed to be Kashish would marry Swayam in order to save Sujal's property and Sujal thinking she betrayed him would force marry Charu and rape her.

Once Raj read this comedy script, he told Ekta that no way he is doing it after building up Sujal the great lover boy, how can they make him rape his won sister in law (ewww 🤢), then things turned messy, Raj and Ekta fought over this track and he left the show. Post that plastic surgery, Ekta fulsills her dream of making Charu have one night stand with the plastic Sujal and then make them marry each other, not like I cared but everything was so 🤣🤣

Decades later, Ekta again fulfilled her dream and massaged her ego by casting Raj-Surveen as a pair in Haq Se, and apparently Raj was also offered Mr Bajaj in Kasauti 2, but he already knew that Baja in this season was caricaturist 🤪🤣

Originally posted by: loveandhope9204

Ekta's face @ 1.32

This was after he quit KTH and was doing LRL.

Thushar-Chaaru track was in full swing. Parallelly Jai-Piya-Bani triangle in full swing in Kasamh Se. Ram Kapoor was nominated for the same award.

Phuraskar woh le gaya, jisse nahi le jaana tha 😆

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQt8rZdBp_k[/YOUTUBE]

What is funnier is that Ekta thought she could bitch about Raj everywhere and ruin his career, decades later she is working with him again and in between he has been doing what he always wanted to do, Rajeev never compromised when it came to TV shows, he only did shows that satisfied the actor in him with creativity.

Ekta thinks she made Rajeev, her ego was so huge that on national television she said that she made Rajeev and KTH would run without him, well we all know how KTH is remembered as Sujal and Rajeev show and nobody ever remembers that there was another actor who took over the character.