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Glad u pointed it out!!

The editing is so sloppy!

The director should learn to say cut when needed and not just get lost in oscar acting!

The way all the CN clan stand in a line like students, its obvious director or someone from the team decides the position. But why so proximity for __? No idea who's responsible but they need to look into it.

I think editors add bgm right? They should know who's positive, who's negative and who's the actual victim. Things like these spoils the experience.

At times, Khabri ji's angles are much better than the ones in the episode.

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

As suggested by Sera, I making a post.

My earnest request to everyone, to read it with a very open mind.

You are an actor for a scene, and in general a normal human being. So for any scene, be it love scene or a hate scene, a confrontation or casual talk, when the woman who you have a scene with is you real life partner you tend to be a tad bit close to her than required. There is no personal space defined there in general. There is hesitation or a chance of being misunderstood. Its a natural body reaction to the presence of someone who you are intimate with in general. Here the director needs to come in picture and tell them that Virat and Pakhi are not just Devar Bhabhi, but also people who are not supposed to be this close to each other because of the equation they share. The argument or the confrontation is coming out to be the one between two lovers, extremely angry with each other.. Its not supposed to look passionate, when you mute the scene. Its supposed to look angry , disgusted at from Virat's perspective specifically. Pakhi would not mind the distance anyway.

Today the scene between the two looked like Virat is fighting for his sister who is his jaan , with a woman he might be falling in love with and yet hates her. Mujhe dard ho raha hai, that scene reminded me of so many lovers on ITV...and the proximity well, it kind of disoriented me !!

Now coming to Sairat scenes.. The actors are cordial and professional. The actors who brush each other like colleagues when they talk in general. So when the shoot a scene be it love scene or a hate scene, a confrontation or casual talk, they start with keeping a distance, so that the other actor specially the woman is not uncomfortable of too much touch. The distance has to be reduced by the command of the director , the director has to tell them for every scene between them that you are a couple and you are to behave like that, there should be comfort physically , the comfort should not be the one that you share as colleagues or friends. And that should be for all the scenes and not specifically for the scenes that is meant to be specifically intimate...like the holi kiss, the laddoo scene or the almost kiss. Today the scene between Sai and Virat even in the bandage scene looked fake. The blow looked fake, the getting some one in the room looked fake..You dont get someone you love , who is hurt by keeping your body far away and just holding the elbow with a light brush.. Now in Indian TV..

Now if you look at it from audience perspective, they would not question Virat Pakhi scenes if they see that closeness between Sairat. The lack of it makes them question it. For instance very carefully see the scene, where Virat turns towards Sai to tell her, he will aid her hurt but he still chooses to stand near Pakhi and not go to Sai. The scene looks like from an angle that the other two are a couple and this one is the third one. In general anyone would immediately get back to the woman who he is in love with and his hurt, because of the woman who you are standing close to, after giving her the much desired lashing. I expected him to move and yet for that scene he kept standing there and talking to Sai about how he will treat her..Not getting to her holding her and speaking to her about it. Virat is so loving so tender that he would do that and top of that he is in love with Sai..Such basic physical touches are a result of the growth they are seeing. He would also be touching her assure himself that she is fine along with assuring her, and not talk from 3ft apart about treating her. This is where an accomplished actor like Neil failed ,and expert actor who is known for improvising scenes, who goes beyond scripts even in scenes where he is just a spectator failed today. The expectation from him is not be close to Ayesha in scenes, thats for the director to point out, but to be a bit away from Aishwarya who is also his fiance and in the show KBA for him, that is also for the director to point out but then Neil holds so much experience in the field, understand Virat in and out and yet fails to realise how he is failing such crucial scenes between these three leads. He can obviously afford to stay far way from the woman who is KBA on the show for the character he is living at the moment, keeping in mind the expertise he holds in this field and certainly is not expected to be close to the other actor who is his wife in and romantic interest in this show without director's call. The very important scene, today failed for me.

For the first time I feel Rono was better in KD, specifically in this scene.I am too upset to say this but that how I see it right now.

PS: Not bashing Neil , expecting him to understand Virat in scenes with KBA as well because he understands and also demonstrates Virat above and beyond the script.

What an excellent post!!!! Couldn’t have worded this better. Honestly I’ve been thinking for a while to make a post on this topic and just haven’t had the chance. Lately the distance and lack of connection in SaiRat scenes has been so off putting to me. This show is supposed to be a romantic drama yet we seem to have a gap in the direction and proximity between the 2 leads who are supposed to be a couple.

I wrote in a post a long time ago that was edited due to my ignorance and once again this may be too. BUT I will say it again, in the corporate world they try to avoid having romantic couples working in the same department often due to clashes and work place issues it may cause. I feel like that’s becoming the case with GHUM. The directors are not able to guide the actors as they should and personal equations are affecting the show. I do feel the actors also share some responsibility here but it’s just human nature to be more comfortable with the person you’re connected to romantically vs just a colleague. Again, no intention to bash any actors or insult anyone. Just my POV.

Originally posted by: laksh

I had just written the below in another post, sharing it here.

The proximity that is visible in Virat Pakhi scenes like the one in today's episode or the one in which he whispers to Pakhi not to break the surprise is bothering me. I think Sairat are the couple in the show but it doesn’t look like from what I am watching. I am not saying they have given us a lot of Virat Pakhi scenes, but whatever should be in the Sairat scene is not in the Sairat scenes but is instead is in the Virat Pakhi scenes. I don’t know whose fault it is but I believe that EVERYONE is supposed to take care of it. It is the directors job to check what they are giving us, how it would come across. It is the actor’s job also to maintain a reasonable distance from his ex cum bhabhi whom he knows has feelings for him. It could be that he is very comfortable but as an experienced actor, an actor who can emote every single thing so well, who improvises scenes in his own ways, who says he has based Virat on himself, I think should also be careful as to where to stand, how close to stand in scenes.

As an audience I would have expected this proximity with the on screen partner but I am not able to see that. In all these months that we have been watching, this is something that I have always had issues with. Of course the editing is poor, direction is also poor. Why does it happen only to Sairat scenes that they would cut a scene? Why should there be editing issues only in Sairat scenes? Don’t they not want to show us at all? What are the makers or the directors thinking?

Forget all these months, in just today’s episode, I can see a huge contrast between Sairat scenes and Virat Pakhi scenes. Why should it be that way? How can it be that way? I have been thinking to write this post, ever since I watched the sbs segment but wanted to wait till I watched the episode.

The distance that is clearly visible when he sits next to Sai in Pakhi’s room, his hands on her shoulder, then sitting in their room with him blowing her wound from such a distance, is all so visible. He could whisper going so close to Pakhi near the dining table, but is not one bit close to the wife whom he says he loves, whom he doubts has feelings for him? Does it even make sense as a viewer to me? I would say that he would only be using these as opportunities to get more close to Sai. Fine, she is injured so he wouldn’t think of going close but that’s a natural thing he would do when she is wife right? Let’s take how Virat Pakhi is that close, it shows their comfort level. As per the story line, shouldn’t we see that comfort level naturally coming between Virat and Sai and whatever Neil and Ayesha are having in Sairat scenes should be how Virat and Pakhi should have onscreen? I think everyone has to see that contrast on the screen. Whatever I am seeing on the screen is acceptable in a sbs segment, in offscreen interviews but no on screen scenes. How can the directors be blind to it? What are they even thinking?

Why should ever hug be cut in a few seconds time? I am sorry but how much ever I like Sairat, the scenes are continuously looking like cute scenes than romantic scenes. I don’t see an intensity in it. The lack of proximity, lack of something else is clearly visible in Sairat scenes. Anyone watching the show from the recent episodes will think that Sai and Virat has probably got married only now and are getting comfortable as room mates. The truth is we have got to see their growth for a very long time and Sai and Virat share a really good comfort level but even then I cannot find that on the screen past few weeks. I need to be able to see the growth that they have been trying to show us in the past few months. Whatever they were sharing right after marriage is not what I see. I do not see a physical tension between them. Every hug of them, every scene has been made look platonic and I am not even able to understand the reason behind it. The laddoo scene was the only scene where I could see them trying to show something.

I am not in here for only romantic scenes. I have loved Sairat from the start, the bond that they have shared from the start, it was a treat to watch them bond, fight have cute banters, develop an emotional bond between them. I have always enjoyed their fights, it screamed their love for each other. When they could create a very nice chemistry with them standing feet apart or just by some accidental hugs in the past like the chipkali one or the suitcase one, why am I not able to see the same chemistry in other scenes that they have been giving us off late? How good their chemistry would look when scenes are directed as how they should be, when the editing is as how it should be and when they work on the proximity between the leads.

Anyone watching these scenes might be thinking Virat Pakhi are couple and Virat is acting as a guardian for Sai. Please makers, pay attention to these and work on the quality of your content. It is becoming unbearable to watch scenes like shown in today's episode. These are just some examples, there are many many pictures that one can share of Sairat where the distance has always been evident.

Bolded. Exactly this. This is what I have been trying to understand for the past few episodes, but literally 0 reasonable explanations come to mind. It would be less frustrating if the entire show was poorly directed and edited. But, somehow, the sloppiness is only apparent during SaiRat's scenes. If it happened once or twice, we could ignore it. However, lately it has been happening in every other episode, and that too during the moments that are supposed to be the most intense and emotional. So, how are we supposed to look past it? Even just thinking about the college fest and birthday tracks- two tracks that were supposed to be completely SaiRat centric.... first, the greenroom hug lasts for about 10 seconds and is cut short by an abrupt shot of TriMurthi going to the auditorium. Then, the on-stage hug is edited so poorly that the entire forum is confused as to whether Virat ended the hug because of Ajinkya or Pakhi... this is not something that the audience should have to guess on its own. One of the worst moments in recent episodes was the hug and tear wiping right after Sai imagines abba... what could have been such an incredible moment of understanding was turned into a joke because of the obviousness of Neil's body double. Not even his hand looked like him let alone the back of his head. The least they could have done is to get a body double that actually looks like the ML. Or, if they actually cared, they should have taken the time to film such important scenes while Neil was available and use the body double for the family shots that aren't so zoomed in and important to the essence of the show. Similarly, what was the joke of a cake scene we got yesterday? I felt as if I was watching 2 hands literally throwing bread at each other. The cake changed color from white to brown, there was a piece of cake on the table before it was even cut, and there was no feeling or emotion behind the scene at all. The scene right before, when Virat asks Sai to feed abba first, was so powerful. But, the entire moment was ruined due to the joke of the last scene, that too which was being interupted by Pakhi's crying face every 2 seconds... just like what happened during the almost-kiss at Harini's birthday. But, I won't get into past scenes for now, because this is enough.

I am honestly at a loss for words as to why all of this happens only during SaiRat's scenes and every other scene seems just fine.

I stand by my point that I presented and want to say more.

Yes. Director should have taken care. Editor should have done better work. But after 200 episodes,actors also could improvise for the betterment of the scene and it is happening as per the interviews given.

Yes. The cake feeding scene was horrible. It was not expected to see such poor version in a show that regularly tops TRP charts.

But what stayed in my mind is the confrontation between ML and negative lead after FL was hurt. The proximity is unwanted. Out of place. Hand holding is too much. The distance should have been maintained. If the director failed to point it out ML should have taken care to stand at a safer distance. I am sure director wouldn’t have said..no. Move closer and say the lines.

And even more disturbing is the last part of the scene in continuation. He still stands where he did,closer to negative lead and tells FL that he is going to tend to her wound and they leave. Here he should have approached FL ,placed a protective hand on her and lead her out. The positioning is too wrong. Such instances can be done in a better way by being alert and it did not happen.

I meant to say that here the ML could have used his experience to improvise and make it look reasonably good. He was awesome with his expressions and dialogues. Just saw the original clips of this scene. ( Not on par with our show in terms of performance of ML)Ghum has a blessing in disguise to have a great performer as the ML who is also the senior in terms of experience. A little effort and cautiousness on part of him would address all the issues raised by the viewers in terms of positioning and placement .

FL in this scene stayed stoic,sat where she is so on her part,she can not do any improvisation by means of position changing.

This is not to blame Neil the actor for whom I have immense love and respect. I hope I conveyed my point.

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

I stand by my point that I presented and want to say more.

Yes. Director should have taken care. Editor should have done better work. But after 200 episodes,actors also could improvise for the betterment of the scene and it is happening as per the interviews given.

Yes. The cake feeding scene was horrible. It was not expected to see such poor version in a show that regularly tops TRP charts.

But what stayed in my mind is the confrontation between ML and negative lead after FL was hurt. The proximity is unwanted. Out of place. Hand holding is too much. The distance should have been maintained. If the director failed to point it out ML should have taken care to stand at a safer distance. I am sure director wouldn’t have said..no. Move closer and say the lines.

And even more disturbing is the last part of the scene in continuation. He still stands where he did,closer to negative lead and tells FL that he is going to tend to her wound and they leave. Here he should have approached FL ,placed a protective hand on her and lead her out. The positioning is too wrong. Such instances can be done in a better way by being alert and it did not happen.

I meant to say that here the ML could have used his experience to improvise and make it look reasonably good. He was awesome with his expressions and dialogues. Just saw the original clips of this scene. ( Not on par with our show in terms of performance of ML)Ghum has a blessing in disguise to have a great performer as the ML who is also the senior in terms of experience. A little effort and cautiousness on part of him would address all the issues raised by the viewers in terms of positioning and placement .

FL in this scene stayed stoic,sat where she is so on her part,she can not do any improvisation by means of position changing.

This is not to blame Neil the actor for whom I have immense love and respect. I hope I conveyed my point.

Exactly.. to add such negligence is also compromising Virat the character. Just like I mentioned he can keep a distance from PL keeping in mind the character Virat in mind, director won't ask him specifically go that close to PL right? The whole giving it a passionate fight look was unnecessary. Mute the scene and that's what you would perceive it to be..I am not sure when Sai is hurt how is Virat no holding her..how is he not checking her by properly holding her...what the hell is the director thinking.. Improvisation with respect to Sai was not possible but with respect to ML was certainly possible in this scenes or the scenes that were to follow... it's stuck in me..the way he talked to Patralekha at the dining table and then again the room scene.. A scene with good dialogues but then I would never go back to watch it because of the proximity they have..Also these are one of the best episodes of Ghum , yet I would not re-watch it for the lack of proper scenes between Sairat..Exactly like someone said he feeds cake as if he is aiming at her.. I believe the older scenes of their feeding each other have been much better.. What had gotten into these people.. I guess the director leaves it on the actors to perform probably and it comes out this way !!

Ofcourse editing is shallow..how did the edit the cute dance between Virat and Harini and Sai and Devi.. idiots .