Pandya Store|Episode Discussion Thread #11 - Page 103

Originally posted by: Mountains_Lakes

Just checked #pandyastore on twitter and the few tweets that I saw loved that scene. Gosh it's so unhealthy.

I hope we don't get more TRP drama because of it.

@your comment on followers, I did too and I hope there are more viewers. But Shiny's fan following is increasing steadily (happy for the actress), but not happy if it's because people are actually enjoying this Dhara mahanta crap. What was our show and what has it become.

As a viewer, I really don't want to watch a grown man put more importance for his bhabi as opposed to his wife. I know it's just day 5-6 of their marriage in real time, but watching just how much he puts Dhara above everyone else is a little sickening, especially considering Dhara doesn't appear to forgive him anytime soon. There's been a significant amount of tweets/reactions from here that absolutely hate this bhabi-devar relationship considering how toxic it has become (even Dhara-Krish hasn't become as toxic as Dhara-Shiva).

Unfortunately, I think a large part of the problem of these mixed reactions (I see your point in regards to some of the tweets) is that ShiVi moments are embedded into this toxicity. The scene typically begins horribly, and then somehow, we get a "half-baked" ShiVi scene afterwards. I say "half-baked" because the writers don't flesh out the scene as it should be. After the bathtub scene, the kachori scene, and the "Only I can be your enemy" scene, I would've thought Shiva would've been more nice and pleasant with Raavi. But he continues to manhandle her.

You could argue that Shiva only manhandled her because she spoke "badly" about Dhara yesterday or that Shiva was emotionally charged by seeing Dhara ignore her. But... how could we forget the scene where Raavi said something very, very similar the day before and Shiva just sighed and showed her the wounds on his back? Where was Shiva's urge to manhandle her then? The CVs are fluctuating everyone's character at their will as they try to understand where to take the story.

Shiva's actual reaction to the scene, considering all his character growth since the marriage, should've been to angrily leave the scene after Raavi says, "You can open up to me." It's reasonable for him to feel angered that the family dynamics are changing since his marriage, but it is not reasonable for him to make all that progress, be okay with whatever Raavi spoke about Dhara they day before, and then manhandle her.

Unfortunately, we've been fine tuned to remove all the "ugly" from the scene and only focus on the positives such as Raavi taking care of Shiva's hand. The ShiVi scenes generate the buzz the channel needs, and the CVs continue delivering these "half-baked" scenes because it caters to the audience that wants drama and it caters to the audience that wants romance.

Originally posted by: Mountains_Lakes

If things turn normal because Raavi takes a step back without Shiva realizing to give equal importance to Raavi, I fear what will happen in future when they have kids.

I'm sure Dhara will be "badima" of their kids. And what if Dhara and Raavi have difference in opinion about what/how she wants to raise ShiVi's child. Hope Shiva doesn't side with Dhara and say that Dhara has more right on their child. That would be the Ultimate breaking point for me. Raavi as a mother has right to raise her kid the way she wants, and hope that Shiva comes out of his Dhara worship mode before that!

This! My biggest concern is that, if this was real life house, the dynamics Dev and Shiva share with Dhara would cause serious issues in their marriages. Dhara may be a mother to them both, but she isn't and would probably never be one to Rishita and Raavi.

The blind Dhara worship and the "she can never be wrong" is bound to cause rifts in their own relationships. I mean even before the beating track, Dhara was no saint who hadn't made mistakes. She messed up big time in Dev-Raavi marriage fiasco, she constantly coddles suman (and unintentionally disrespects her) under the guise of "let's not tell maa", and her best idea to bring Shiva and Raavi closer is by being harsh on both of them.

In all honesty, Raavi should be spewing venom at Dhara when she tries to control their lives, as Raavi suffers the most in Dhara's decision making always. (I get that Raavi's character isn't written to be venomous and angry but the marriage should've been a catalyst to maybe make Raavi mature into a more realistic adult, but her characterization took a U-turn in the haveli track).

Dhara and Gaumbi are not the epitome of parenthood by any means. Like yes, they let go of the idea of having kids for the time being for the sake of the brothers, but that was their own choice, not to mention they just delayed it. And at the end of the day, if parents (as GauRa are often lauded as) choose to sacrifice something for their kids, that is their own decision.

GauRa constantly interfering in married life of their "sons" is the actual reason half of the problems have occurred. (I often see fans say that Dhara deserves all the respect and supreme rights in the house as she sacrificed so much and.... No. Yes she deserves respect and love. But a family should value everyone's emotions and feelings, not only one person.) This entire track has been Dhara gaslighting literally everyone, including Gaumbi.

So yeah today was a great chance to talk about her mistakes and Shiva taking a very very minute step towards maybe realising that Bhabhimaa can be wrong. But well.....ITV.

Sorry for the word vomit. I'm in a ranty mood I guess😆

One thought just crossed my mind - Can't the Pandya family for once talk about anything other than themselves and Bhabhi maa? I mean this family is so self obsessed that they don't discuss any topic other than their family and Dhara. Lol if my family would have talked about themselves 24/7 I would have gone mad and would have run away to the Himalayas for some peace of mind.

I want them to talk about anything under the sun instead of talking about family and relationships. Let them talk about their dreams, aspirations, how to make Pandya store profitable, how to make more money, how to invest in properties, stock market ... aree kuch bhi baat karlo even Covid and world politics is fine with me. 🤣

I am so tired of their family importance gyaan sessions and discussions. Hell I dont even want Yaadon ki baraat playing in the background! Atleast not for a few days until they focus on things other than family. Its suffocating to even think that these people don't have a life beyond family and Dhara. This is so funny and sad at the same time.

PS : I pity Kaka because he has to single handedly take care of the store. Pandya family is not bothered about what is going on in the store, is it making profit ya sab doob gaya hai😕

Originally posted by: Nups_mish

One thought just crossed my mind - Can't the Pandya family for once talk about anything other than themselves and Bhabhi maa? I mean this family is so self obsessed that they don't discuss any topic other than their family and Dhara. Lol if my family would have talked about themselves 24/7 I would have gone mad and would have run away to the Himalayas for some peace of mind.

I want them to talk about anything under the sun instead of talking about family and relationships. Let them talk about their dreams, aspirations, how to make Pandya store profitable, how to make more money, how to invest in properties, stock market ... aree kuch bhi baat karlo even Covid and world politics is fine with me. 🤣

I am so tired of their family importance gyaan sessions and discussions. Hell I dont even want Yaadon ki baraat playing in the background! Atleast not for a few days until they focus on things other than family. Its suffocating to even think that these people don't have a life beyond family and Dhara. This is so funny and sad at the same time.

PS : I pity Kaka because he has to single handedly take care of the store. Pandya family is not bothered about what is going on in the store, is it making profit ya sab doob gaya hai😕

I wish they start some track of them opening a new store somewhere or Rishita/Raavi's careers or even Dev taking up a job somewhere else. Hell I'll take a Krish college track, it should be better than the Dhara drama overdose.😆

Originally posted by: Shivikaishkara

I wish they start some track of them opening a new store somewhere or Rishita/Raavi's careers or even Dev taking up a job somewhere else. Hell I'll take a Krish college track, it should be better than the Dhara drama overdose.😆

Seriously, these guys need a break. I would prefer Dev taking up some corporate job. Why does everyone have to work at the store? I hope aage jaake if Rishita wants Dev to pursue a more profitable career, its not turned into a big issue. Everyone has their own life and others should respect that. But ye Pandya family hai, all members are expected to live upto Dhara and Gaumbi's expectations, always.

Originally posted by: milkcakejamun

CVs should learn from him then 🤣 I live for this type of petty revenge 🤣

Lol their banter reminds me of Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively's posts. Biggest trolls of each other!

Originally posted by: Mountains_Lakes

If things turn normal because Raavi takes a step back without Shiva realizing to give equal importance to Raavi, I fear what will happen in future when they have kids.

I'm sure Dhara will be "badima" of their kids. And what if Dhara and Raavi have difference in opinion about what/how she wants to raise ShiVi's child. Hope Shiva doesn't side with Dhara and say that Dhara has more right on their child. That would be the Ultimate breaking point for me. Raavi as a mother has right to raise her kid the way she wants, and hope that Shiva comes out of his Dhara worship mode before that!

Hopefully the CVs follow the original in this regard, or even look into the regional remakes, but the original has Shiva giving equal importance and respect to Raavi before they fall in love. They share everything to each other and are complete open books. I personally don't think there's a single secret between them, and even if there is, it doesn't stay a secret for too long. Also, because of their mutual respect and love for each other, Shiva also learns to respect Raavi's family, including Maami.

The Tamil version doesn't have ShiVi having kids, but in the Telugu version, Shiva and Raavi discuss giving up their first child to Dhara considering the sacrifices she had to make for him. Before making a decision, Shiva asks Raavi how she feels about giving the child up for adoption, and only until Raavi says, "I was thinking of doing the same thing" do they both think of carrying out their plans. Luckily for them, though, Dhara becomes pregnant, and ShiVi raise their own child. Even with their child, though, Shiva continues to show more love to Raavi. Constantly making sure she is well-fed, not too tired, and happy.

The Dhara in this version is also very respectful of boundaries and doesn't do anything with their child other than occasionally play with the child. But quite honestly, in both the Tamil and Telugu versions, Shiva was never that dependent on Dhara. He loved and respected her, but he never acted this "childish." So I'm interested in how they take the show. If they follow the essence of the show, we have nothing to worry about because there will come a day when Raavi holds equal/slightly higher of a spot than Dhara.

Originally posted by: milkcakejamun

Hopefully the CVs follow the original in this regard, or even look into the regional remakes, but the original has Shiva giving equal importance and respect to Raavi before they fall in love. They share everything to each other and are complete open books. I personally don't think there's a single secret between them, and even if there is, it doesn't stay a secret for too long. Also, because of their mutual respect and love for each other, Shiva also learns to respect Raavi's family, including Maami.

The Tamil version doesn't have ShiVi having kids, but in the Telugu version, Shiva and Raavi discuss giving up their first child to Dhara considering the sacrifices she had to make for him. Before making a decision, Shiva asks Raavi how she feels about giving the child up for adoption, and only until Raavi says, "I was thinking of doing the same thing" do they both think of carrying out their plans. Luckily for them, though, Dhara becomes pregnant, and ShiVi raise their own child. Even with their child, though, Shiva continues to show more love to Raavi. Constantly making sure she is well-fed, not too tired, and happy.

The Dhara in this version is also very respectful of boundaries and doesn't do anything with their child other than occasionally play with the child. But quite honestly, in both the Tamil and Telugu versions, Shiva was never that dependent on Dhara. He loved and respected her, but he never acted this "childish." So I'm interested in how they take the show. If they follow the essence of the show, we have nothing to worry about because there will come a day when Raavi holds equal/slightly higher of a spot than Dhara.

I hope and wish this happens! Because in this version, though albeit with Dev, Raavi already promised Dhara that She'll give her first child to Dhara. Hope we never get to that stage. Considering how they're changing Dhara to be TRPata, I do have very little hope in this version. They have completely ruined Dhara for me.

Originally posted by: Nups_mish

One thought just crossed my mind - Can't the Pandya family for once talk about anything other than themselves and Bhabhi maa? I mean this family is so self obsessed that they don't discuss any topic other than their family and Dhara. Lol if my family would have talked about themselves 24/7 I would have gone mad and would have run away to the Himalayas for some peace of mind.

I want them to talk about anything under the sun instead of talking about family and relationships. Let them talk about their dreams, aspirations, how to make Pandya store profitable, how to make more money, how to invest in properties, stock market ... aree kuch bhi baat karlo even Covid and world politics is fine with me. 🤣

I am so tired of their family importance gyaan sessions and discussions. Hell I dont even want Yaadon ki baraat playing in the background! Atleast not for a few days until they focus on things other than family. Its suffocating to even think that these people don't have a life beyond family and Dhara. This is so funny and sad at the same time.

PS : I pity Kaka because he has to single handedly take care of the store. Pandya family is not bothered about what is going on in the store, is it making profit ya sab doob gaya hai😕

I actually would love to see the family pulling out a few old family albums where they revisit the past with pictures, report cards, and school projects. I would love to see childhood Krish dreaming of the day he becomes an actor or singer, or of childhood Shiva dreaming of becoming a standup comedian and Raavi retorting that it is good he didn't because all his jokes fall flat, or of Dev wanting to become something boring/official like an actuary (no offense to those who are actuaries, I just remembered the small scene in Zootopia). Rishita would be so left out of the conversation, but I think it would be a good way to re-introduce all the characters with their childhood personalities and let Rishita catch up on all their family drama.

Dhara wanting to "bring Shivi closer" is NOT the reason why she's behaving like this now. She's doing this because she's a control freak who is insensitive, insufferable and has a sky-high ego.

If she really wants them to get together, she will stop interfering. Period. Stop interfering in not only Shivi's life, but in the lives of everyone else in the family. They're all adults for heaven's sake.

A parent (Dhara likes to be called one, though she's nowhere close) should know when to stop holding the child's hand. A newborn chick is pushed out of its nest by the mother bird into mid-air, with the aim that the chick learns to fly by itself. If the mother bird doesn't do this supposedly harsh act, the chick's life ends.

This is a necessary life lesson and should not be missed or delayed. Same holds for humans too. People need to start relying on themselves first for emotional needs and not latch onto a "mother figure" ALWAYS into adulthood. Maintaining a healthy relationship with everyone is important and that'll never happen if somebody is so dependent on one person.

This is the result of always putting the "elder" person in the place of God, as though they are infallible and can't make any mistake at all. To err is human. But the kind of mentality and childhood scenario shown here leads to blind devotion to the point that the "youngsters" fail to remain an individual.

They become incapable of thinking for themselves and can never distinguish right from wrong in their lives. They just become an animate extension of the "elder" person, which is NOT the life anyone deserves to live.

By wanting to get Shiva and Raavi together, I guess Dhara just wants them to give birth to children. That's all. Nothing else. She's forcing them to be together now. Real togetherness comes when people are given time to understand each other and are left to nurture their relationship by themselves.

If she wanted their real togetherness, she wouldn't be emotionally abusing them. She just wants to "complete" the relationship and force them to put up a show to satisfy her ego that she can never go wrong and that she corrects everything in everyone's lives.

Dhara feels "beizatti" if Shivi fight. Lol. Why does the world have to revolve around 1 person? That's not how a joint family works. Toxic to say the least. She needs to live and let live. Focus on her relationship with Gautam now that their "responsibility" of bringing up the boys is complete.

Didn't she say she'll focus on her marriage with Gautam once the brothers get "settled"? That idea is the most stupid thing ever by itself, but that's a topic for another day. Clearly she's not sticking to her words. They need to show growth in the characters by slowly taking Dhara away from being the be-all-and-end-all in the brothers' lives. What's the point of the leap if they don't show this transition? The brothers are small kids even now and nothing has changed in their adulthood.

And Gautam is no less than Dhara. Rishita asked whether it was wrong to spend alone time with her husband. Rishita is rude and doesn't know how to put her views across, but she has some valid points.

Gautam, in response to her perfectly valid question, says that they get happiness from eating together as a family. Fine. Spend time together in a group. But that SHOULD NOT be the ONLY thing they do. They need to give each person the space to do things in their own way.

Give Rishita the alone time she wants too, along with having family time in the weekends. This 24/7 obsession with family is unhealthy and this is the main provocation behind Rishita's behaviour (even though she's generally mean and selfish as it is). And implicitly taunting / gas lighting Rishita for wanting to do things in her way is again toxic and indicative of control freak behaviour.

Also Dhara needs to stop overcompensating for Rishita's issues. She insults Raavi and others in this process of "taking care" of Rishita. Again very problematic. Dhara needs to stop pretending as if she is an expert at balancing relationships. Far from that.