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Posted: 4 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: dramebaaz.af

Renee point of Khushi going through character assassination because of Arnav and Shyam is something I agree with. Ultimately I think the show's writing was lazy and relied on regressive troupe in order to have a damsel in distress. I think the plot of the show was strong but the writing, incredibly reductive. They were more invested in having easter eggs and foreshadowing in episodes than in clearly have decent scripts.


You know, the classic thing of Sita only giving Agnipariksha. ITV laps up assassinating the character of a woman *sigh* it happened even now in shows like Shaurya aur Anokhi, Mehendi Hai Rachnewaali where at one point the male lead will say shit about a woman's character that the show tries to justify as jealousy or revenge. It's crap.


Just saying if we had the Khushi during the resignation scene - I miss that version so much!


I agree with certain things about Arnav's character that you've pointed out. Arnav was going to confess to Khushi. We know about this because he did want to speak to her and a day before he understood that Khushi fits the bill of the love his sister talks about so much. But Arnav was not going to take a no room Khushi. Khushi suffered by hands of Arnav more than Arnav did from Khushi. I like to often think about the fourth promo of the show with Arnav in rain and Khushi standing by a window and Khushi saying 'kyun mein tumse nafrat nahi kar pati'. Khushi doesn't understand her feelings for Arnav at all, and if Arnav were to never exclaim his love, she wouldn't have voiced it out as well.


Khushi can never hate Arnav, that's the deal of the show. But to slightly disagree, Arnav was only going to confess because he already had his answer. As a businessman, he wouldn't place his bets on something that he wouldn't know wouldn't work. Khushi had given soft yet strong indication that she feels the same (which he later thinks he misinterpreted). From wearing his gifted bangles all day to giving shy smiles and gently prodding him to say what he wants to say.


Arnav was extremely territorial about Khushi and I think that was the reigning thing that drove him to marry Khushi. He wouldn't have been able to bear anything that Khushi said if it wasn't in support of his own feelings.


You're right about Arnav asking Shyam for clarification. Arnav did not believe in love nor did he wanted to do anything for love. His choice of companionship was reflected in Lavanya. A partner who would love him, would go to any extent for him, would fit into his world perfectly. A partner he wouldn't have to make any effort towards. But Shyam and Anjali's relationship gave him a glimmer of hope. I think thats' why Anjali's definition of love is important for Arnav in deciding his love, thus Shyam was more answerable to Arnav than anyone else however the same can't be said for the rest of the family members because they resorted to gender patterns of asking answers from the girl rather than damad ji.


Oh God, I HATED the Raizada's SO much when they yelled at Khushi (???) for the marriage. LOOK AT THE AGE GAP AND WHY BLAME THE WOMAN? In a way I'm ok thinking Arnav chose to question the person he thought he knows better as opposed to thinking 'let's ask the woman how she managed to derail Shyam from his good behavior with her seductive charms' (the narrative Shyam laters pushes post kidnapping).


I think ultimately Arnav's marriage to Khushi was driven not because of wanting to protect Anjali and leaving Shayam with no options, but because he wasn't going to let Khushi go. In tying Khushi to himself, he killed two birds with one stone. In the end, he chose his love and his feelings before finding a way to protect his Di's illusion of love.


You know this is a question I do want to ask the writers - what would've happened after six months!

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Posted: 4 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: dramebaaz.af

misunderstandings are the bread and butter of daily soaps. We can only see some form of healthy communication in web-series or mini series rather than in daily soaps whose content refuses to go past regressive troupes. 😵🤔


You bet! I think the whole structure of daily soaps really cost good content :( Some shows have literally made their plot MU-woman gets thrown out-sorry-MU again

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Savera84

I have a brain wave. Let us do some reverse engineering.

What was Arnav's goal and what were Shyam and Arnav thinking?

When Arnav said he saw Shyam on the terrace with Khushi, a quick thinking Shyam rightly assumed and reiterated that Anjali won't believe a thing Arnav will say about him and wrongly assumed that Arnav will have no choice but to keep quiet (because Khushi was no one to Arnav compared to Anjali) and let things go and he he can pursue Khushi at his will. Shyam had an inkling but discarded the idea that Arnav had any feelings for Khushi or vice versa.

But, Arnav tried to tell Anjali, which Shyam was not aware of.

When Arnav noticed how ecstatic Anjali got after reading the lab report and how she pointed towards her brother and husband and sort of said, how they are the two most important people in her life and how she doesn't want anything else more than their love, she sealed the deal for Arnav.

Now Arnav can't remove Shyam from Anjali's life in the near future. If he has to keep Shyam at Shantivan, then he has to do something about Khushi. How will Khushi stay away from Shyam, if she likes Shyam?

He rightly predicted that Khushi believes in the sanctity of the marriage and he can't get her married to someone else at a short notice. So, he decided to marry her and hence the clause of 6 months. He assumed Khushi won't go after Shyam as long as she is married to him. He doesn't want to get himself tied to Khushi forever. That is why he kept saying he is waiting for the 6 months to finish, so that he can throw her away from his life.

Now why did Shyam, stayed with Anjali? He thought he got his way as he initially predicted and he thought he can still manipulate Anjali, get to Arnav's coffers and get Khushi, but, he did not expect Arnav to marry Khushi.

Now that Arnav knows about his intentions, Arnav won't leave Shyam if he harms Anjali.

Since Shyam can't get Khushi, he has no other choice but to play a besotted husband to Anjali. According to Shyam, things haven't gone out of the hands as yet.

I wondered for a while why Arnav stopped cash flow to the joint account? I thought it would irritate Shyam forcing him to take a wrong step.

May be they (the makers) thought it will look like Arnav is buying the services of Shyam for Anjali.

According to them ASR can only order or demand or threaten So, he threatened Shyam that Khushi is off limits and he better stay with Anjali and behave.

I don't know whether I am making sense, but this is what I am thinking right now.😊

Cheers......


Excellent analysis Raji ji!

@red - I think that's exactly what Arnav wanted. He wanted Shyam to commit a misstep in front of Anjali or 'prove' being a good husband by not being affected by it.

He wanted to test out Shyam's claims of having 'true feelings' for Anjali's baby (cause Shyam tries to prove so by buying a cradle and all and showing it to Arnav).

Shyam, oh Shyam - at one point this character forgot motivation and only gave monologues 😆 still the most entertaining character though 🤣 DAIYA HO!

You made a LOT of sense! Thanks for your comment!

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: dramebaaz.af

I love the whole reverse engineering method to reach to the conclusion. I definitely agree and maintain that temple wedding was more for the viewers and for Khushi rather than for Arnav. I do love the addition of legally wedded wife that comes up in the end days of the six month contract because for Arnav, the wedding was a contract that he feels like can be extended. For Khushi, it was half of a wedding and one of the reasons the absence of pheras bother her is that besides the symbolic nature of her marriage, there was nothing that was typing her up with Arnav.


I do think though that of it was anyone else in place of Khushi, Arnav wouldn't have married that person. he would've found million ways to make that person's life hell but I think one of the major reasons he was driven to offer a six month marriage was because of how smug he was in his interactions with Khushi before he wedding. He knew he had an impact on her and I think the emotional betrayal of Khushi's provoked him to make sure Khushi suffers in a way where he ultimately has the last laugh.


Khushi being Khushi changed a lot of things. Her relationship with the family was something else that bothered Arnav as he couldn't ever figure out how she was duplicitous.


I think also the fact that his encounters with Shyam, he wouldn't recall the terrace night as much but with Khushi, the entire terrace scene was etched in his memory.


I think Arnav wanted to think that Khushi wasn't important enough for him. Hell, Anjali hated the thought of Khushi being above her in latter part of the marriage track. Arnav's reaction at broken snaffles and bangles before payal-aakash's haven was indicative of what Khushi meant to him. Both Malik siblings didn't want to think Khushi was as important to their lives as she proved to be. I think Arnav's own indecision about his feelings, and his guilt for seeing through this middle-class girl helps in him deluding himself enough to think that Anjali's happiness mattered more than his own pain.


Ok, just saying, totally hated the way they brought in the pheras. So regressive and painful to watch. Also, if they were going all religious then according to Hinduism their marriage wasn't valid/considered inappropriate AT ALL because it's written that if a marriage is done against a will/blackmail then religiously that marriage isn't considered valid sooooo....


The ek chutki sindoor and mangalsutra have legit no weight.


But even a marriage without pheras, while considered inappropriate, is considered valid/socially acceptable such as a Gandharva wedding - cause two mutually CONSENTING partners and a legal registration is enough.


Anjali's whole arc was very shoddily handled in the second half of the show. There was so much potential and so little delivered. And Daljiet Kaur is such a capable actress! Talk about an actor being wasted!


Thanks for your comment <3

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: m4manju

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blue - probably. He was anyway going to confess that night but when he saw them and misunderstood the situation, he impulsively decided to marry her. Partly to make her suffer like you said and partly to tie her to him in a way he knew she valued the most.

I dont think its true that both Malik siblings didn't want to think Khushi was as important to their lives. We saw very little of anjali's insecurities and thank god they let that track go in a short while. But I doubt it was because she didn't think khushi as important person. It was mainly because she was insecure about her position in arnav's life. Anjali always liked khushi, even after shyam's first truth revelation, she doesn't confront khushi. As much as she doesn't believe what khushi said about shyam, she didn't believe what shyam said about khushi either.


Thanks for your comment! Yes, I feel Anjali as a character wasn't developed - surprisingly when the track was about her!

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: dramebaaz.af

^ yes, I was watching the episode earlier where he listens to literally one line of what Khushi says and then he is so heartbroken and shocked that he turns away unable to look or hear anything further. He's a man whose always had such high walls around him and then the one time he lets them down, this happens so that betrayal combined with the ruthless businessman qualities of him led him to unintentionally lash back at the hurt he felt.


I think you're right. I watched a clip of the last few episodes and there's a scene where Anjali tells Khushi that they are also such great friends and then obviously at Shyam's revelation she turns to Khushi first and exclaims that she's sorry for not believing her before. I think though that maybe Anjali never considered that Khushi will be the person to play a role in the breaking of the illusion she had of her brother and husband. She requires assurance from Arnav after catching Arnav and Khushi in a hug after Arnav's Agra trip gets cancelled and she gets upset that Khushi is a reason for lies. But I do agree with you. I misinterpretted Khushi's relation to Anjali for a moment there 😒. With Arnav though, I think he subconsciously knew what Khushi did to him but he kept denying it or tried to push himself away from it. I think that's why he says I love you to her when he's kidnapped. He has no idea if he'll make it out but he also knows that Khushi won't take his confession of love lightly even if she accepts it.


Yeah, I think Arnav was going to die for a point and decided to tell her the one thing he always wanted to say.


Also... I loved he got kidnapped and beaten up cause I wanted to hit him so badly at times 🤣

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: IPodcastKKND


Hey I'm thinking of certain analyses per topic (but updating and keeping an index so as to the discussions can be followed)


Thank you so much for the detailed comment! It's very interesting to read. Oh trust me I came to this conclusion accidentally while trying to reply on Tumblr - even a year ago I hadn't thought the same 😆


It would make no sense for Khushi to go after the 'Damaad' of the Raizada's when she had the attention of the Raizada himself. It's just... disadvantageous to her? I kept on thinking that Arnav threw accusations left right thinking one would stick and finally let her motivations be known cause her actions were visible but motivations... weren't?


Your second point about Arnav's behavior post Khushi's engagement - I think they precisely showed why it would have been terrible if they had kissed. Arnav wasn't the best partner to anyone and Khushi would have been expecting more than what he could offer. He was completely wrong and I'm happy that the show showed he was completely wrong. Fun fact: they never play the full fledged Rabba Ve between Diwali to post NK arriving, there was no full on Rabba Ve at that point :D


As you stated, the betrayal from Shyam broke Arnav and that it was Khushi out of everyone broke further - but it makes full sense why he confronted Shyam instead of Khushi. Shyam was closer - his trusted ally, his friend, a man he looked up to.


When it comes to why he didn't verify from Khushi... Shyam accepted the affair so Arnav didn't think Shyam lied. Because who would lie about having an affair? I don't think Arnav was not ready to hear a 'no' because he knew Khushi wouldn't say a 'no'.


She chose the sari he suggested, was evidently lost, flustered, shy and happy around him. She wore his gifted bangles the whole day and was more than eager for him to confess - that conversation by the mirror was nearly a confession. They both knew what the other wanted to say. Only a literal verbal confession was left.


Yes, I don't think Arnav had the strength to hear what he heard from Shyam to hear from Khushi too.


I incline further towards logic than emotion when it comes the forced marriage - again, personal opinion. Arnav's decision was very... calculated. At no point was possession important for him, rather it was important for Shyam to know that he couldn't access Khushi and for Khushi to know she's someone's wife (hence wouldn't continue with her shenanigans). Shyam couldn't approach Khushi given she's Mrs. Raizada - the fastest tactic Arnav could pull. And Arnav always had a power/advantage over Khushi in this relationship, he convinced her he could control Payal/Akash's marriage.


It broke his heart further cause this was probably the one woman he actually wanted to marry.


Oh I was so pissed off at the Raizada's when NONE OF THEM took a stand against Dadi for Khushi! Uff, I'll write less about it because it angered me to no end! How dare they call her all that crap!!! Yeah, I wasn't happy about that side of the track. Ugh.


Payal's marital issues were actually nice - I wish they properly explored the track instead of leaving it midway and half baked.


Yeah, was never a fan of Khushi being slapped by her family, ugh...


If anything, I'm happy that the show never played romantic music over tension filled moments. That's the only saving grace. I too wish that at one point if they addressed the problematic behaviors, but seeing what we're getting right now *the less said the better*


I agree on that. I don't watch other shows but I do get some idea.

The standard of the shows is at an all time low despite big budgets.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: dramebaaz.af

I love the whole reverse engineering method to reach to the conclusion. I definitely agree and maintain that temple wedding was more for the viewers and for Khushi rather than for Arnav. I do love the addition of legally wedded wife that comes up in the end days of the six month contract because for Arnav, the wedding was a contract that he feels like can be extended. For Khushi, it was half of a wedding and one of the reasons the absence of pheras bother her is that besides the symbolic nature of her marriage, there was nothing that was typing her up with Arnav.


I do think though that of it was anyone else in place of Khushi, Arnav wouldn't have married that person. he would've found million ways to make that person's life hell but I think one of the major reasons he was driven to offer a six month marriage was because of how smug he was in his interactions with Khushi before he wedding. He knew he had an impact on her and I think the emotional betrayal of Khushi's provoked him to make sure Khushi suffers in a way where he ultimately has the last laugh.


Khushi being Khushi changed a lot of things. Her relationship with the family was something else that bothered Arnav as he couldn't ever figure out how she was duplicitous.


I think also the fact that his encounters with Shyam, he wouldn't recall the terrace night as much but with Khushi, the entire terrace scene was etched in his memory.


I think Arnav wanted to think that Khushi wasn't important enough for him. Hell, Anjali hated the thought of Khushi being above her in latter part of the marriage track. Arnav's reaction at broken snaffles and bangles before payal-aakash's haven was indicative of what Khushi meant to him. Both Malik siblings didn't want to think Khushi was as important to their lives as she proved to be. I think Arnav's own indecision about his feelings, and his guilt for seeing through this middle-class girl helps in him deluding himself enough to think that Anjali's happiness mattered more than his own pain.


Bang on with this one. He hardly recalled the scene on seeking Shyam but it was Khushi's betrayal to him as he saw it that he couldn't get it out of his mind

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: renee.bee


I agree on that. I don't watch other shows but I do get some idea.

The standard of the shows is at an all time low despite big budgets.


That is so true. In terms of plot ideas there are very few that actually hit the mark!

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Arnav, Khushi, Shyam - The Terrace


Hello everyone,

I'm back to posting another analysis and this is in connection to the previous analysis. In this post I'll be analyzing the terrace sequence and why (1) Arnav chose to confront Shyam instead of Khushi, (2) Khushi's shock on learning what a snake Snake Manure 'Jaa' is.


Also this is in response to an ask on Tumblr:

  • I understand Anrav has alot on his plate but I wish just like he decided to talk to Shyam he could have tried to ask her and then decide whatever he wanted even if it meant not believing a word of hers. But I see your point, he was infatuated with her, had JUST started believing in love and accepted it to himself, this must have have been like slap in the face. But it would be nice to have a moment between Anjali and Nani where they say “ke kuch to hua hoga to humein nahi pata” …and maybe they did and I missed it lol. But then again Arnav has all these layers to him that its hard to pick a side I guess,


Three Perspectives, One Perception

I have spent countless number of nights wondering why Arnav never went to Khushi to ask for the truth. He loved her - we all saw it, we saw the infinite Rabba Ve’s and the soul shattering stares. She is his soulmate and everything - we know it because we have been a part of their story from the very start.

Kind of like Devi Maiya, we know their story is predestined because we saw what they didn’t. Be it all the omens, the foreshadowing, subtext, etc.

But when Arnav goes to Shyam instead of Khushi - I felt betrayed by Arnav! How could he, how dare he! But then we have to take back and see this story from Arnav’s eyes.

Who Shyam is for Arnav - a father figure, a confidante and his dearest sister’s husband. He who keeps the family together, the reason for the Raizada’s smile, much like Khushi.

  • Shyam, as a seasoned lawyer - does not deny what Arnav has seen. Rather, asks Arnav how much he knows to learn how much to reveal. We all believe a villain when he claims his crimes as opposed to one who pleads innocence. It’s only to his benefit that Arnav ends up baring all his thoughts and confusions to Shyam. Shyam knows there’s no saving his character, but a man as vengeful as him realizes there’s no need to save Khushi’s either.


  • Arnav thinks he’s threatening Shyam - and he is, as long as he’s stating facts. But the minute he throws away his assumptions to Shyam - he has lost a battle even before it begun. Shyam confirms the affair and Arnav probably does not have the strength to hear it again from Khushi. What he has seen has killed him a bit already. If Shyam could’ve pulled wool for over three years, if his father could deceive his mother for several years, why couldn’t Khushi do the same for a few months? He loves her, which is exactly why he couldn’t ask the truth from her. He was afraid of what he’d listen to.



  • Khushi has no idea that her character has been assassinated in this process. Trained very much like the rest of Indian women - she does not tell anyone she’s been harassed or how Shyam has stalked her all along. If she had told it to anyone, things might have been very different. It only highlights how silence is never an option. She struggles between preserving Anjali’s marital life and her own trauma.



Yet she smiles at the thought of Arnav because there’s no chance - in her head - that he would misunderstand her. Why? Because Khushi has the fault of seeing people in the capacity of seeing herself. She knows she has a character, she can never imagine the conclusion Arnav comes to. She knows she wouldn’t betray a marriage, she cannot believe that Shyam had stalked her all along.


Anjali & Nani

Yeah, more than the ‘oh the house pride is gone’ it would’ve been interesting if the two women sat and thought why in the world would Arnav elope with Khushi when they were already planning their wedding? I often wonder what answer Arnav/Khushi would have to give if that was the question thrown at them. It’s like stealing food when you have a buffet laid out in your honor. Did they really frighten Arnav with the possibility that they’re getting Khushi married to NK? Which would highlight that jealousy is terrible when it comes to matchmaking!

It’s like literally no one would have a problem with their relationship either way and it’s a bit odd that no one communicates that to either Arnav or Khushi. Instead they pretty much harp on the values of sindoor and mangalsutra and I’m like that’s not really going to give an answer nor motivation! They probably think they eloped because Arnav/Khushi might have crossed boundaries in their relationship. But I think most of this track is really focused on ‘maan’ ‘maryada’ ‘samaaj’ ‘riti riwaaz ka ulanghan’ and to an extent I can see why they see things that way.


ALSO WHERE IS MAMA JI? He eloped and married as well - this would’ve been a perfect time for Mama and Arnav to have a talk!



Love,

S

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