Between light and darkness - Page 18

What I would love to see is imlie, while shares with Aditya that he needs to stay with Malini for Malini sake, also acknowledges how hard it will be for him to do that and to just be a friend to Malini, not husband, if he cannot have husband wale feelings for Malini. What I would hate to see is Imlie forcing Aditya to be Malini’s husband without acknowledging Aditya’s ghootan or pain.

I want real anger to build up in Aditya over Malini’s horrible actions. He can be there as a friend for her for humanity sake, but I also want to see deep rooted anger in Aditya. What Malini is doing is horrible, and anger needs to override guilt. Also I want him to be disgusted with Malini for thinking so little about her own life.

For humanity sake, Aditya imlie can help Malini, but I want them in the same team and on the same page, at least the same book, which is not the case right now. I also want to see their bond strengthen while they deal with Malini. I want real conversations between them, no matter show hard and painful the topic is.

Lastly, I want Rupi di to see Malini’s actions objectively and not be angry at Aditya as rest of the T family will be. T family and Imlie will be dying in guilt but I want Rupi di to be the guiding force for Aditya and Imlie, to make sure they don’t drown in guilt. I want Rupi di to remind imlie about VD self love. And if it was not okay for her to kill herself, there is no justification for Malini to kill herself either.

Writers have done a piss poor job in the way not one character in this show sees Malini as the way audience sees her. All the characters think she is saint, hurt in love, and anything she says or does is justified. They all are angry at Aditya for accepting the break, why is no one angry at Malini for initiating the break in the first place and leaving the house? It is only audience that has seen her manipulation, insecurity, clinginess to Aditya and trauma she has caused to Imlie. But all characters have forgotten how Malini treated Imlie last week. They have forgotten how she left home when Aditya went to PD trip for 4 days. It is like all the characters see different parts of Malini but the audience is given the full picture. And it is frustrating because I cannot find it in me to sympathize with Malini where as all the characters in the show are dying to have her back home. Aditya also does not see Malini the way she is, he sees her as a victim too of his mistakes. He has not contemplated once how insecure she was in the relationship.

So the frustration for me as audience is not getting Aditya-Imlie bonding scenes (not talking about romantic scenes) properly with detail honest conversation and a disconnect between how audience see Malini and how the characters see her. Since past 1 week they have been concentrating on Malini the victim through her actions and all the characters attitude toward her, there in lies my frustration as audience. She is not a victim, she is a manipulator who will do everything possible to keep the broken relationship. She is a gutless woman who prefers to die and cause immense pain to people who love her instead of hearing the truth, instead of moving on. She wants to guilt trip and punish Aditya for life by killing her self in dulhan clothes. She is selfish, manipulative, and gutless. And not one character in this show sees her this way....not one character. And to top it all, everyone sees her as a perfect human to ever exist. And thus anything wrong happening in her life is never her fault, but everyone else’s. As if not getting husband’s love gives her the license to commit any crime she wants, including killing herself and demeaning Imlie, and she will still be considered perfect....a victim. This is so damn frustrating.

Originally posted by: MuteButton

The fact that they are running the same gory precap every day for the past 4 episodes is proof enough that they do not care no? They have not even bothered with a courtesy trigger warning.

Everything is pretty much hinging on one person on the show, anyone, coming out and saying what Malini did was wrong and that is never the route to be chosen. I do not have hopes though.

Oh I hate that precap. Like there was no need to re-run it everyday. I think that is more of writers doing a whatever for now with a mental block..I mean their other content is also so aivayin..It could be the time constraints because of the move. Neverthless, havent there been shows where precap was not always shown? nahi hai dusra precap toh dont show...why keep giving that freaky precap?

Mine was more of a wishful thinking to get this message across - that suicide is not a solution.

What bothers me further is- isn't a suicide case associated to a police case? Uss angle ka kya?

Originally posted by: Whatever765

Oh I hate that precap. Like there was no need to re-run it everyday. I think that is more of writers doing a whatever for now with a mental block..I mean their other content is also so aivayin..It could be the time constraints because of the move. Neverthless, havent there been shows where precap was not always shown? nahi hai dusra precap toh dont show...why keep giving that freaky precap?

Mine was more of a wishful thinking to get this message across - that suicide is not a solution.

What bothers me further is- isn't a suicide case associated to a police case? Uss angle ka kya?

Originally posted by: Whatever765

Oh I hate that precap. Like there was no need to re-run it everyday. I think that is more of writers doing a whatever for now with a mental block..I mean their other content is also so aivayin..It could be the time constraints because of the move. Neverthless, havent there been shows where precap was not always shown? nahi hai dusra precap toh dont show...why keep giving that freaky precap?

Mine was more of a wishful thinking to get this message across - that suicide is not a solution.

What bothers me further is- isn't a suicide case associated to a police case? Uss angle ka kya?

@bold - considering they are back showing Malini at the Ts, does not look like that is going to be the case no. It is plain irresponsible to reward someone for doing something this wrong for gaining attention. And ITV glorifying it is just plain insensitive and detestable. No idea what they do on other shows because I do not have too much to fall back on. But let’s see; I’ll wait until the great convo happens 😆

Originally posted by: pamk06

It seems like Aditya has been ready for the fallout and now he is done waiting for Imlie to be prepared. One thing that he miscalculated was Malini's reaction. He knew that she would have a physical reaction to the truth but he might have never thought that she will take this extreme step. He is prepared for all consequences and his end goal is clear but how do you prepare yourself for the fact that you might have been responsible for someone's death. That is the setback that he is going to have here. He has always followed his own path and last time when fate intervened, he still continued on the path that he thought was right. Now he wants to do the same thing but there is karma and he needs to atone for his mistake. The thing about Aditya is he is never takes the decision for both the women is his life. He knows what he wants and he is adamant on that part. With Imlie, he said that what happens next is upto her and for Malini, his stance was that he will be with her till she needs him but I really hope that in guilt they do not make him lie. By lying he would make things worse for Malini. So even though he will have to stay with her, his attitude or his stance should be that he is only there as her friend. This is what is going to help her accept the truth, recover and move on eventually.

One thing that the makers did right here is that Malini took the step before she heard the truth. That was the calculating part on her side because once she hears the truth, there is no way she can pretend or make Aditya pretend that there is still a relationship between Aditya and Malini. So this way, the blame is still on "supposed dooriyan " and Aditya's head as far as the family is concerned. Adi-Imlie relationship will still stay in the dark and this might be what will keep Imlie in the house. I am not sure if Malini is really that conceited but now Malini will play the part where she will bring Imlie's image down in front of both the families by subtly insinuating the relationship that Aditya shares with Imlie (Thank you Nishant) and bring Imlie's own sacrificial tendencies up by showing how much she loves Aditya and how bechari she is, imlie has all the light and she has all the darkness, But the balance here is that the makers have got is Mithi and Rupi Di. Both want her to fight for her haq, both are in her corner as far as the marriage is concerned. I think that this will be one of the reasons that Imlie will not give up her sindoor , she should not. Their fight has always been against the wrong and wrong here is Malini and her zid, insecurity or pure selfishness to keep Aditya tied to her and "zabardasti rishta nahi hota"😊

@bold: That would require approaching this situation maturely.....does anyone really sound like they want to HELP Malini? 😆 All I hear from every character in this story is that Malini is a saint, Malini is a Queen, Adi has wronged her, She loves Adi, so Adi must reciprocate that love and bring her back to his house.....none of these "solutions" indicate anyone wanting Malini to accept the truth and recover.....all I hear over and over is more and more coddling of Malini cuz she keeps doing extreme things and they all get scared of her again.

I'm laughing cuz I suddenly remembered her bizarre, "Mat Dariye" in response the last time Adi had told her he feels scared of her reactions cuz she faints/goes into low BP mode whenever he tries to tell her something.......so much for "don't be scared of me".....she really thinks people will dance in joy on finding her dead body in a dulhan outfit? 😕

Anyways, trying to understand Malini's brain is a useless exercise in of itself given how it flits from one thought to the next without any coherence....2 days back she was still blabbering about wanting to know the truth....now she doesn't want to hear the truth and would rather kill herself....this is the woman we are supposed to sympathize with.....maaf karo humein.

As for Imlie....I never expected her to let go of her sindoor anyways....that really isn't the issue here. To me, it's more grating right now that Imlie will be willing to demean herself in guilt to prop up Malini....every character in this story only thinks that making Malini feel that she alone is always right and has all the rights is the "solution" to everything.....Imlie anyways is guilt-ridden on the Malini topic so to me it's sadder that Imlie will demean all her own achievements simply to prop up "fragile" Malini.....I've started to feel allergic to this word "fragile" too thanks to Didi using it a a carte blanche.

Unless Rupi can do something CONCRETE to get Imlie her respect in this house, that too when the rest of the family will be busy planning parties etc. to coddle Malini, I can't say much.....Adi-Imlie seems like they are going to be debilitated for the near future until whatever shift happens to move things on that front.

I think you might be underestimating Tripathis ka capacity for amnesia and brushing things under the carpet....they will all happily pretend the last 2 weeks of Adi-Malini fights never happened if they get Malini back in the house and Adi hangs his head in shame constantly to bow before her.

After all the drama Aditya will be giving moral

Support for Malini. But I want Imlie to realise she cannot share her husband . She needs the reality check one can’t share her partner . There are lot of speculation don’t know what is going to be in store. Imlie’s Didi Jaap should end too.

Hopefully Aditya will stand on his ground.

Originally posted by: MuteButton

@bold - considering they are back showing Malini at the Ts, does not look like that is going to be the case no. It is plain irresponsible to reward someone for doing something this wrong for gaining attention. And ITV glorifying it is just plain insensitive and detestable. No idea what they do on other shows because I do not have too much to fall back on. But let’s see; I’ll wait until the great convo happens 😆

I think the other side also needs to be seen too. Yes suicide is not an option but there are women who are not strong and so dependent on their husband that this seems to be the only option for them in such a scenario. They just want to be tied to their husband come what may and this is a way of ITV through Malini's journey telling them that tying a person who is not in love with you just because rishta hain ya log kya kahenge is not right. Using suicide as a means of emotional blackmail or ending your life instead of facing the situation is not the correct way. Its not explicit but every women who must be watching might be thinking that why is Malini doing it and its not right.

The other thing that people need to think and it is very common behavior even with us that the person who suicides is considered right and the blame automatically goes to the partner but is that really right? When we read about such things do we ever blame the person who suicides or do we automatically start blaming the partner Edited byDT. But looking at this show we know that Aditya though is wrong, in this case, he is not. The blame should not be on him but he will be blamed and Malini will be glorified/sympathized. We as an audience can see what is happening but T's and C's will never even divulge in the real reason for it which is so common nor even question their support for Malini nor think about the impact on their son's persona. They will force Aditya to do the compromise and hence the take away here is that its really necessary for us to always try to see both sides of a coin of a story instead of just looking at it at surface level especially in suicide cases.

Not sure ITV thinks so deep but I think its become so common practice to blame the partner in all suicide cases and that thinking really needs a revamp.

Originally posted by: pamk06

I think the other side also needs to be seen too. Yes suicide is not an option but there are women who are not strong and so dependent on their husband that this seems to be the only option for them in such a scenario. They just want to be tied to their husband come what may and this is a way of ITV through Malini's journey telling them that tying a person who is not in love with you just because rishta hain ya log kya kahenge is not right. Using suicide as a means of emotional blackmail or ending your life instead of facing the situation is not the correct way. Its not explicit but every women who must be watching might be thinking that why is Malini doing it and its not right.

The other thing that people need to think and it is very common behavior even with us that the person who suicides is considered right and the blame automatically goes to the partner but is that really right? When we read about such things do we ever blame the person who suicides or do we automatically start blaming the partner (SSR suicide for example). But looking at this show we know that Aditya though is wrong, in this case, he is not. The blame should not be on him but he will be blamed and Malini will be glorified/sympathized. We as an audience can see what is happening but T's and C's will never even divulge in the real reason for it which is so common nor even question their support for Malini nor think about the impact on their son's persona. They will force Aditya to do the compromise and hence the take away here is that its really necessary for us to always try to see both sides of a coin of a story instead of just looking at it at surface level especially in suicide cases.

Not sure ITV thinks so deep but I think its become so common practice to blame the partner in all suicide cases and that thinking really needs a revamp.

I have no problem with whatever comes on TV. My issue has always been with three things - timing, lack of a warning and doing the whole “my marriage is crumbling so let me end my life” reasoning they want to associate with it. They could run a label for the holi celebration that ran for one minute about the pandemic but they cannot slap one while making Imlie walk over blood? Are we so blind to the current circumstance that we let it go in the name of drama? I’ll just have to swallow the bitter pill in this case looks like.

Where Malini and her attempt is concerned, even there I’m willing to wait until whatever transpires to actually give a take on it. Considering they’re building up everything, there will definitely be talks but what kind will determine if ITV is even capable of handling any kind of revamp on such sensitive issues.

Had all this been just a ploy by AC and Malini together, none of it would have mattered. The makers decided to slap a serious angle to it.

Originally posted by: Sunnygrin1

When I wrote that line- I thought you were referring to a possible track where that’s all we will get to see. That’s that’s how their story will turn- that he will remain Malini’s husband for ever more and Imlie’s mentor or guardian etc.

Lol Adi will always play a mentor/guardian figure in Imlie’s life without a doubt, but he will never be able to be just that for her. His mentor side is a subset of their relationship, but ultimately it’s a deep/soulful love they share with each other....its intensity will manifest itself no matter how many roadblocks pop up.

Adi can stay with Malini as a token husband but it will never change the fact that he loves Imlie all consumingly. The mentor role is the only one he will be allowed to play publicly so he will take that for now as some way of still being able to support her, but his underlying feelings for her obviously can’t just be turned off.

Originally posted by: pamk06

I think the other side also needs to be seen too. Yes suicide is not an option but there are women who are not strong and so dependent on their husband that this seems to be the only option for them in such a scenario. They just want to be tied to their husband come what may and this is a way of ITV through Malini's journey telling them that tying a person who is not in love with you just because rishta hain ya log kya kahenge is not right. Using suicide as a means of emotional blackmail or ending your life instead of facing the situation is not the correct way. Its not explicit but every women who must be watching might be thinking that why is Malini doing it and its not right.

The other thing that people need to think and it is very common behavior even with us that the person who suicides is considered right and the blame automatically goes to the partner but is that really right? When we read about such things do we ever blame the person who suicides or do we automatically start blaming the partner (SSR suicide for example). But looking at this show we know that Aditya though is wrong, in this case, he is not. The blame should not be on him but he will be blamed and Malini will be glorified/sympathized. We as an audience can see what is happening but T's and C's will never even divulge in the real reason for it which is so common nor even question their support for Malini nor think about the impact on their son's persona. They will force Aditya to do the compromise and hence the take away here is that its really necessary for us to always try to see both sides of a coin of a story instead of just looking at it at surface level especially in suicide cases.

Not sure ITV thinks so deep but I think its become so common practice to blame the partner in all suicide cases and that thinking really needs a revamp.

Bold to all. You have hit the nail on the right topic. I have been volunteering for the last few years at a help group whom deals with such issues related to the topic being discussed and shown at the moment. I can say that the way the cvs have shown it has not been well edited but I can tell you that there are far more worse cases and stories that you can imagine.

The case as always will be that as a society we will always blame the one that doesn’t commit the act then rather reflect why the person did what they did. The stem has been simple Maline character flaw has always been from the beginning that she feared she may lose Aditya to another deep down she knew he didn’t love her the way she did. Her current state of thinking is not the failure of the relationship ending its the act of realising that she was enough in his eyes. Her desire is not one of escaping but one where she is wanting to bind him to her as she has come to realise that he is ready for a clean break.

She is simple not ready to deal with the situation and because of it her whole entire believe system has been rocked. Her mother and people around her have always said she is perfect yet we the audience know she is flawed as are Aditya and imlie in there own right. It a sad fact as well that her father was not strong enough to deal with his failed marriage and she has seen her mother have control by living through a loveless marriage for her image and benefit.

This is her way to carry her image and benefit forward. The ultimate is that we all know Aditya is not Dev he will support her till he believes she is ready to carry her own burden. The quote where he flipped the line of love and responsibility suits this scenario well. The darkest hour is just upon them how the weather the storm is not just a test of there love but also there faith.

I think a flaw for me would be if Aditya would pass of Maline responsibility to another. I just don’t see him in that light for he didn’t do that to imlie when he first brought her home and didn’t click with her. Hence the separation that is pending is painful and the angst that will follow will be more so. I just hope through this Aditya can stick to his faith and resolve to show imlie he will be waiting.

We need imlie to fly the nest and seek answers form the once she loved. I love the reaction her mother gave and it can be so promising when the talk. This is where I hope both rupi di advice and support will help her find her way back to him as he did to her earlier. By then it won’t be just him but the family that will need her as well.

This is phase one of guilt and remorse. But I feel Maline will never grant them that and at the end there is only so much one can handle and take.

In all this imlie is just 19 and a girl trying to find her feet in a world of complex relationships and feelings. She has seen the pain of lost love and longing in her mother and satyakaam eyes. I just hopes she learns that her mother regretted wasting her years for someone that was not worth it. In the end she may realise that Maline doesn’t mean what she says and will be free to spread her wings to him.

The episode was one tough watch but a must say it reflected the concept of darkness to light really well. As everyone said before one person can either make a break a relationship and in this we will get to see both sides of the story.