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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Saichintalli

Great analysis janaki ji... One thing I like the most in your analysis, you won't blindly take side of either sai or virat. You point out their good and bad equally..

Even in other post I mentioned it,. Don't I don't think both virat and sai are completely wrong or completely right... It's their raw emotions, their hurt, their logging for eachother which wants the other to understand their hurt, their feeling.... During that hand holding, I really liked sai and virat's each and every expression.... Although pakhi and other family members are taking , they didn't missed each other's gaze even for a second.... Hand holding thing , I believe virat even didn't realized how hard is he holding drowning in his own hurt, even pp told him about being wrong, he didn't left her but when Ashwini mentioned sai is hurting , then he realized, bcoz sai's hurt is more important than his. As you mentioned janaki hi yesterday in your post , doing mistake is common but the guilt after that is important , I felt he felt guilty at that moment only for holding sai's hand.... Yes locking in room is wrong but in that also I felt his desperation to stop her but it's wrong.... And yes sai sai sai , wow... Frankly , in ITV all female leads claim to be sachai ki murty but I don't think there is never one like sai , and phaki , even there is no one like phaki, completely negative charector but even she thinks she is positive, wah wah...


Janaki ji, after whatever virat did, he should apologise sai, and we know he would from other versions but don't you think even Sai should apologize at some level to Ashwini and virat. ... Because all this argument aside... I remember one dialogue of virat during amey issue, " you do whatever you want but you will not think what effect it will cause to people who stand by you" like in this situation , she simply said I can't say why I am going, don't you think by saying this and leaving she is just offering Ashwini and virat as food for hyena gang taunts.... Bcoz she will leave but hyena gang will pounder on virat and Ashwini , they don't have anything to defend themselves or sai.... Is it right?


@bold. I too felt the same...by saying such things and by opening a war front she has placed ashwini and Virat sir as perfect pawns in an uneven game of chess...anyone can play as per their choice...they will be left with nothing to defend for themselves...they have left to the mercy of the c gang...they will be very vulnerable now...I guess when Sai had opened the topic in the room itself Virat sir should have resolved it then n there by offering some explanation...y is that he gives unnecessary explanations to pyari dost and he can't speak a word infront of his Baiko??? I still remember him saying that "is ghar aise bhi log hain jo tumhe support karte hain" and I felt those supporting people have let down...

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Beautiful analysis Janki. Yes, both are at fault, one assuming that he belongs to her and the other thinking he is someone else's bcos he had himself clarified. God has to help these two understand each other.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Awesome Analysis janki just bang on one

Today iam in short of words to speak ,iam shocked to be honest with the turn of events

I didn't expected this revelation of virat and pakhi so called pyaardosti this soon before all all are left tongue tied tbh looks like they all realise this fact but still keeping their mouth shut like such a disgusting people they are ,

Both virat and sai are at ego now , but ab sab kuch sabki samneh hai about deal marriage 5 year contract everything now there is no turning back jho steps they have taken in this relationship sab barbaad hogayi everything back to square one agar rishta bachana hai they will have to keep aside this ego and clear everything I don't think sai will take this step because I can see that she has already given up on this relationship , now virat will have to clear it for her the real status of their relationship , what he feel , and make it clear to her he has moved on from pakhi , ab toh deal toh nahi raha I feel , I really can't see them like this , virat toh mujhe ek robot jaisa laga after sai left I really hope he make it clear to pakhi and keep her at a distance from now on , fingerscrossed I hope everything falls in its place , iam person who believes everything happens for good , yeah truth sabki samneh akkeh acha huva hai one point sairat relationship ko new direction milega , they will start their relationship on fresh note soon

Onething I noticed is virat while entering pakhis room knocked and asked permission before entering woh pehle aysa nahi kiya tha so iam hoping to see him maintaining the distance

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: jankiraghav

Good morning lovelies!🌷🌷

Heart is a bit heavy today... It's tearing for the two souls blinded by their respective egos from their low self esteem in their marriage at the most vulnerable moment... and their yearning for the other even in the moment when they hold each other's gaze of hurt, anger, surprise, distrust and resentment.

>>> Very heavy but i guess it was a much needed episode more to come 😉


I don't like unresolved fights and i am feeling so restless myself that I can't wait for this to end with better understanding, which it will.


But how different it could have been for them if simple communication had been given utmost importance? The day would have probably seen them heading out together, ignoring the hullabaloo about the fact that they were going out together. But it was not to be... Instead, it was a nasty moment when both equally hurt each other -- one visibly with force and the other invisibily with the words -- in full view of people waiting to run in between them to drive them further apart 😐 (what was the need to run?)

"Patni Patni ke maamle jab kamre se bahar Nikal aate Hain, toh wo neeji maamle Nahi reh jaate"... Would have hated the mouth that spoke this dialogue on a normal day but today despite all the hate, I couldn't help but agree with Patralekha.

What else can a public argument do to a husband wife relationship? It is dangerous, unhealthy and definitely brings along embarrassment, humiliation, and resentment. While disagreements in public can be healthy, the thin line is blurred almost instantly where spouses are influenced by external factors — and the disagreement instantly escalates into an argument and an argument into a fight, which can get as ugly as it possibly can.

And if the audience to this is Chakram niwas ki Makad Sena, arguments or fights will turn into a spectacle of a breakdown in the relationship. It would have been so much better if the two of them could have been at least connected enough to understand each other's discomfort and the need to address the matter privately without counter-attacking each other or embarrassing their relationship in public.

But it couldn't have been because both Sai and Virat are on a self destructive mode as far as their emotional intimacy is concerned -- which they had built bit by bit with so much effort and over a long time. But it came undone in a matter of minutes with washing the dirty linen in public.

Virat's reminder to PP about staying out came at the wrong place and wrong time -- it should have come in the confines of their bedroom when she entered to question the purity of his wife's intentions in their marriage. Today, it was really not a neeji space where interferences could be set aside.

>>> Agreed but this was the first time atleast in crowd Navra realised that something between them is Neeji and the Vahini should not but in. So the words spoken by Baiko did have an impact (hopefully).

Was it 'mauka-parasthi' when PP butted in, spoke the right words and reminded Virat that he was wrong... Did she also display her malice while asking Virat to not use force because "she's not going to listen and you must let her go" and not damage your 'shobha and Chavan Khandaan ki izzat'? Or was it really a woman standing up for another because Sai did stand up for her during the fiasco in the end? I thought for a moment she came across as a fine person. Even in her outburst later...

The fight was 'dirty' right from the moment Virat decided to obstruct her way. He had already been consumed by his ego at that point and decided that he wouldn't let her go -- until this point, the reason for the act was definitely more to do with feeling protective more than jealousy or control but it took just a few moments for that to change into a completely ugly exhibition of force -- main doors closed, threats issued to lock her up in a room. The reason of protectiveness turned into the rage - the spill over of the unresolved fight combined with the familiar frustration rise inside-- How many times have I asked her not to do this? Why does she always not care enough to agree?

What a moment it was when Ashwini broke Virat's stupor and he realised what he had done in his complete loss of self-control. That moment when their eyes met -- filled with tears and almost asking the other to stop.

But egos don't stop. The “dirty” fight then brings in the threats, intimidation, accusations, name calling, and even spilling sensitive, private information that completely dilute the intimacy and replaces any emotion with resentment.

Resentment is what Sai is heavily feeling -- she has really given up entirely on the relationship that she was trying to build with all the caution in her way. The showdown of the Ladakh outing has indeed done it for her. It is one thing to be in a "deal" with the husband in private and another to have the entire family show utter lack of respect for the sanctity of the marriage -- whatever be the deal in private space. So, when the public doesn't think twice before entering the neeji space of the couple, there is actually no neeji space remaining.

And Virat's behaviour in the moment only added to her resentment and feeling of humiliation. I don't want to delve into the words they spoke to each other about the circumstances of the marriage, the ehsaan, majboori of the dying man's vaada-- I will pass it off as words spoken from flaring tempers. They had long moved on from there and begun building the intimacy but like every couple they also have a few points that can always be used to hurt one another in those tempting moments when you just want to hurt one another -- for them it's this deal, the circumstances under which they said their vows. They still need to cross that bridge to leave that weapon behind.

My heart went out to Sai when she recalled the show down surrounding the trip and put our the pointed questions at the elders, beginning from Ninad's "samjhauta" word-- exactly the way she felt it, using the same words that she used in her private space to Virat. He was taken aback again when she said "samjhaute wali Shaadi".

>>> Yea same here the poor girl is tired and is growing helpless day after day. She was breaking inside but still held her head high


It might sound like overstepping the line and comprising the respect of the 'husband' but it came from the depths of the wound her heart has had to bear... Where is the "husband" in the marriage?

Her truth bombs today were not from Sai Joshi, the Jhagda champion or the rebel queen. It wasn't about being questioned about going out. Today, her words were of a pained 'wife', who was made to feel like a second fiddle to her husband by the entire family -- all for the sake of the hatred they harbour for her. It came out in the form of plain truth:

"Main jis din iss Ghar me aayi thi, main samajh gayi thi ki yahan koi mujhe apni bahu Nahi Manega...aur ye bhi Jaan gayi ki Pakhi Didi chaheeti bahu Hain"... No one, including Ashwini or Virat understood the meaning -- until it was followed by revealing one truth after the other -- showing everyone the mirror, which everyone wanted to deny.

- PP is the chaheeti bahu : not for Samrat but for Virat, something that is not said in as many words but is visible. The whole trip fiasco has made Sai feel that the family is also consenting to the existing 'pyaarosti' between the two ex-lovers. It really brought her back to the reality of their deal because she had only begun taking the steps towards the 'husband' who she knew she could never have, only just started calling herself the 'biwi' and him the 'husband'... But the bubble burst in a matter of seconds when all she could remember thereafter was what she seemed to be forgetting -- she was actually the third ticket on the trip because the 'husband' has not clarified yet and the family is objecting too her inclusion as well..

- You have all assumed that Samrat will not return and so, PP needs to be enticed to stay here (she still thinks it is for the 'izzat' but for Bhavani there is a lot more at stake)

- You have chosen Virat as the toy to be used to lure her because you know their past.

Bhavani was left in a state of shock until PP spoke to cover up with actually abusing the word 'dost'. Now, one can even understand Virat calling it 'dosti' but not PP. In that moment of her showing the mirror, the masks were pulled down and the defence, thus, had to be turned into a moment of victimisation and also referring to the 'humiliation of the husband'. While Patralekha did a few things right today, she couldn't help defend her actual feelings for Virat as 'dosti' to try to save her mask from falling...

Of course, Virat's loss of control had a cascading effect and so Sai did not spare even the minutest information about their private relationship from being revealed to the world -- the deal, the ehsaan, the five year contract, reminder of 'nahi rokunga' -- it has all been spoken aloud. Was it just me who saw a kind of relief sweep over the faces of Bhavani and PP when she mentioned the five year deal?

"Agar aap deal todh Sakte Hain, toh main bhi todh Sakti hoon"

How did you guys interpret this ? To me, it sounded like a statement made to effect the change. It sounded more like: We decided we would not expect each other to be husband and wife but if you want to break the condition and want me to be the wife, then I will also break the condition and expect you to be the husband. It came from her sense of betrayal, anger, sadness and hopelessness.

It could have also meant that "if you want to call off the deal right away, I am willing to leave too but I won't spare the truth from being told" but then one has to connect it to the context and the context was Virat enforcing his husband rights on her - the moment when she spoke of the deal, I couldn't help but ask, "Why is she even going to interfere in the matter of an incapacitated member of the family when she's not able to set aside her hurt and use strategy to avoid this situation?" Now, we know her action comes from her goodness but somehow it also gave the feel that no matter what she says, she has accepted the marriage with the deal -- Devyani is thus her own by the virtue of Virat being hers. She may not accept but her anguish is not as much the deal between them as the third parties having questioned her right on her 'husband'.

Today, Sai's walking out of the house was such a foreboding trailer of what will eventually follow and add to that this ominous dialogue exchanged between them:

"Tumhe ek din keemat chukani padegi"

"Aap ko bhi"

It gave me the goosebumps... Why oh why, dears!?

If Virat had any doubt about what she was feeling when she burst out at him in their private space, here was a replay of it. He should know he has a task at hand -- he doesn't want Bhavani's atrocious comment "Virat ki Shaadi tootne wali hai" to come true. He asked Sai, "Are you happy that my head is bowed in shame in front of my family".. I think both of them will be ashamed one day, when they look back at how they built their relationship - it was a moment like that. Perhaps it will get uglier -- it may bring them to the point where it would be easier to condemn one another but then love is about loving each other in the most undeserving moment-- of letting go of the ego and reconciling, reconnecting, restoring the pride, repairing the dent, reinforcing the faith and replenishing the intimacy. Who will do it first?

There is a silver lining: Falling down in this fight is going to alter the course of their relationship and make it even stronger, sustainable and happy. Will it bring the two of them to introspect the reason behind their unresolved issues -- it is the doubt about the 'belonging' that keeps widening the gap.

She asks, "Do I belong to you?"

He asks, "Don't I belong to you?"

The unfinished last scene:

Virat knocking at the door before entering and speaking exactly what PP wants to hear.

Right after her 'dosti' cover up, she almost faces a check mate question from Virat, put forth originally by Sai.

I am eager to see her response to "Sai ko Lagta hai hum dono ek doosre se pyaar karte Hain... Tum apna pyaar chhupaati Nahi ho aur main apna pyaar Dil me Daba Kar rakhta hoon..."

I saw a hint of relief on her face to hear that -- sloppy editing could completely change the scene tomorrow-- but the moment she heard Virat say that, it appeared like the words she's been hoping to hear are finally being spoken -- like he will tell her about the daba hua pyaar in his heart. But intuition and Virat's body language tells me he's apologetic about Sai's verbal expression of such a misplaced thought -- which is a 'lie' according to him because he doesn't actually have any daba hua pyaar for her.

PP can't say she doesn't love him because that will close any possibility she still sees -- but will she be able to handle the apology or will it finally be a direct confession she will make that will actually push him to remember the vaada and address the issue that he now knows is eating into the marriage he so badly wants to keep and cherish?

This is definitely now at a point where Virat will have to clarify the deal, one way or the other.

>>> To clarify, he needs to understand first. He and Vahini are on a different page. Don't know where the conversation will go after this but he needs to understand. I will let the scene finish tomorrow, and then there is this precap

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Residual anger and unresolved issues can damage the foundation of any marriage and make spouses drift apart. Where miscommunication is allowed to stay, every little fight wedges the a gap to become wider and hard to plug. It brings about grudges and comes in the way of moving on. It is at such times that one must turn to the deposit account of their memory bank to recall the moments of intimacy which can refill the warmth and affection and positively help reconnect with the better half.

Today a warm cup of coffee ☕☕ or tea 🍵🍵 is a must. Can't wait to see them overcome this setback and go back to nurturing their relationship with the love that they both deserve and they both certainly have -- daba hua in the depths of their hearts.

Have a great day!

Hugs to everyone who needs one today 🤗🤗

Aale,

❤️J


Beautifully said sister, and i must say you are hell of a motivation. I landed up watching both todays and yesterdays episode. Todays episode was class and it belonged to Sai hands down. It reminded me of the DIG episode when she left the house.


Don't know who hurt who more, but the story is moving. I know there is more show down to come but this is the make or break point for these 2. In anger many things have been said, it would be wrong to justify anything that was said by both the parties. These 2 have been hiding behind the 2 words for long now, Deal and Zimmedari lets see how it moves forward.

But I must say, the way Sai's character is written is very aptly done. She is flawed not doubt but man she holds her ground. Was she wrong, may be but who isn't. And one thing is for sure, today was not the girt or a bahu who was talking, but it was a hurt wife who vented out everything in open. Well now if the Navra can stop crying and look at the mess (after creating more mess that is).

Somewhere I read, she didn't respect elders nor even her husband in the last two episodes. On neutral grounds the respect has to be earned. She did respect ACP Sir but as an husband its yet to come. The respect has to be mutual. No one in the family respects her except Ashwini Aai, Shivani Bua. She did not back answer them.


Well waiting for the roller coaster ride, its going to be hell off a ride

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Janaki I loved the episode.I felt it connected with the Ladakh trip fiasco

today Sai was really in kali form .. blowing away everybody.. virat was helpless .. he got instigated or egged on by his family members ..the handholding was disgusting..


but whatever PP was telling him was politically correct .. but I felt sayi ko Pp Kaku and family ko aur Dhoni baki tha



What she said was just right .. every thing regarding the family attitude towards pakhi .. that they desire her fir virat ki wife .. it’s all there .. maybe ninad , omi have not realised .. but the ladies in the house have been keeping PP happy by showing virat as a toy


ashwini has been voicing her displeasure but has been shot down

If they can be so shameless about it .. then they should hear it also


what did they think .. like a C grade movie .. that sayi will be the doormat wife .. who will keep quiet and allow everything to happen behind her back

She would have done it also if they are not constantly mentally abusing her , calling her names .. and now keeping her tied to the house


How is virat behaviour justified .. is marriage supposed to be like this .. where the wife has to slog like a slave , get to hear names and then happily see her sister in law shipped with her husband

Just because ashwini accepted it .. that was her mistake .. sayi should not


the way Pp was screaming like a banshee .. sayi should have asked her why did she ask virat to give his clothes to keep in one suitcase

Why were the adults sending her for a shadi ki baad wali Khushi to Ladakh with virat ..

I am very very glad sayi did not take this lying down ..

Pp ko toh aur zaleel honabaki hai ..

I felt bad for sayi n virat both .. but this poison had to be be taken out .. it’s hurtful but virat has to see this .. where the rot lies and if he wants to should try fixing it


Otherwise no point tying down a girl for 5 years .. after the emotional torture they put the girl through .. she will never have faith to settle down with anybody after her studies gets over .. and she’s out of virat’s life ..

why spoil her life virat ??? Why are u ruining her life .. let her go be free ... even if she makes mistakes.. it will be hers ....


I try shipping them together but my heart says an 18 year old girl does not deserve this mess .. no matter how good virat is .. how he can change .. it is still to early for her .. let her focus on her academics.. rather than chulha chow ka of Chavan parivar

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Originally posted by: ThruMyEyez-Nita

Janki, kudos to you for being able to write another brilliant analysis on an emotionally wrenching episode!


Sai and Virat's hurt was so apparent today and both of them in their own way escalated their hurt to levels that will either make or break their relationship. I do not know how many more high voltage episodes we will get - but all I hope for is that the resolution is equally gripping and satisfying.

when drama is high voltaged resolution should be quiet but smooth clearing everithing in between. but insult was done before all should aplogize in front of all

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Loved your analysis. I have no words to describe today's episode. All I want to say is both Virat and Sai are at fault. Both should have resolved their fight in the confines of their bedroom and not wash the dirty linen in the public. Virat should not have lost his cool and Sai too shouldn't have brought out Virat and Pakhi's story.

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Originally posted by: fatssrilanka

Loved your analysis. I have no words to describe today's episode. All I want to say is both Virat and Sai are at fault. Both should have resolved their fight in the confines of their bedroom and not wash the dirty linen in the public. Virat should not have lost his cool and Sai too shouldn't have brought out Virat and Pakhi's story.



why shouldn’t she have called out pakhi virat story .. the vacay decided by family was appalling and the way they called sayi shameless mauka parast for tagging along was disgusting..

Since I had seen that episode my blood was boiling ..because in the eyes of kaku gang virat pakhi were a couple and sayi was the third wheel .. yes sayi had told virat about this .. but this matter was too big and I am really glad she spoke loud n clear to Kaku gang .. that she will not play along meekly cleaning dishes making breakfast like a subah wali kaam ki bayi ..They call her a bahu when they have to get rasode ka kaam.. rest of the time jungly mulgi .. this is bad domestic abuse .. and harassment of a 18 year girl .. when she won’t get the respect of being virat’s wife .. why should she listen to their taaney .. virat has done nothing to stop this verbal abuse .. obviously this thing has been going on for months .. she had to lash out ..

I am angry she did not reveal pp plans of packing virat ka clothes with her in one suitcase .. samrat not meaning anything to her .. mei usey jaanti tak nahi .. all that also should have been revealed for Lusty pakhi ..




.... and she told her husband openly don’t try to reign on me .. when u don’t have desire to be my husband.. if u desire pakhi go back to her I won’t mind but then don’t show ur rights on me ..

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Okay this was such a draining episode. Both were at fault and both spoke so much in anger. But Sai's outburst is of a lonely wife stranded in a relationship where she feels her husband wants to own her but doesn't want to belong to her. It was a continuation of previous fight but exploded in front of whole family. If virat had answered her that day this would have never happened.


While yesterday it was virat's concern and protectiveness speaking today it was his male ego which is bruised by his very own family members who just want to boost their own ego that virat still listens to them. Such toxic disgusting creatures these chavans are!!!!!


And why is this yoga love not owning their dil mein sajake rakhunga wali love stpry ???? I feel like breaking their heads for this. By denying this virat lost a lot of respect for me . Pakhi didi ke baare mein kya hi bolun ??? She is such a oppurtunist 🙄. If dosti ka rishta is that sacred then why she wanted to carry his clothes in her bag ???? These ppl have made a joke out of dosti. Everytime they wanted to use the word pyaar they chipkafy dosti there . I agree virat doesn't love Pakhi anymore but he didn't clear that to both women. Mai yeh bhi maan leti hu ki virat doesn't know about pakhi's intentions. But is he not responsible for pyaar dosti slipup???


As much as this was draining I am okay that this happened. What worse can they do to each other than this ??? Theres no downhill anymore. Virat has to make a move now deal or no deal !!!! He had escaped many situations but now the story can only move forward when he decides.


I feel this is also near breakpoint for virat pakhi. If he apologized to her tmrw on Sai's behalf then it's a open n shut case. Sai and virat are a team now and pakhi needs to shut off. If he confesses his love for vahini then it breaks his marriage. So if virat used spasht shabd tomorrow instead of jalebis then this is a end to yoga wala love also.


But one thing I noticed is that virat has no control over his words in anger . He has used such toxic words today 😭. I cant forgive him just because he is crying all that time. He needs to own up his mistakes now and apologize to her.

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maana ki tali ek haath se nahi bajti....but kabhi kabhi ek haath pahal kar sakta hai...ya to rokne ki ya bajane ki...Aaj Virat pahal kar sakta tha is tamashe ko rokne ki....

Virat knew how emotinally weak Sai is...But he did not do anything for it...He is the one who we think is maahir is diffusing situations and confrontavtions..to aaj kyun nahi kiya? why did he stand there listening to all the rubbish? Jab Aai and Sai ko beech sahi baat per chup karwa sakta hai to aaj bakiyon ko kyun nahi kiya usne?? He could have cntrolled the situation...

On top of that he is the one who started off with the ehsanfaramosh...mein tumse shaadi karne ke liye mara jaa raha tha?? tum hi to ek sundar susheel sanskaari ladki rah gayee thi saari duniya mein??? he is the one who stsrted this...Sai ne apni selfrespect bahut baar danv per rakh li hai Virat ke liye...Jab Virat hi uska nahi and he has made this shaadi as a joke...why should she care???

I still think the onus of this showdown is very heavily on Virat...

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