Superiority Complex........ ? - Page 2

Rubina is positive , confident n successful . Jas ,Rahul,aly,eijaz they ve superiority complex n it’s false narrative on Rubi for BB game by others to target her n attack her n paint her negative as she is most popular n ahead of them . Losers can’t improve themselves so trying to paint neg n bring down positive , winner types Rubina .

Originally posted by: Tulip235

My views on this are completely the opposite. There are lot of viewers like me who watch just BB and not any Hindi serials. I have not heard of Rubina and many others before this show. My opinion of Rubina is purely based on her behaviour on the show. What I have seen is an arrogant, pretentious woman who’s needlessly aggressive, who enjoys putting people down, who judges others on the basis of class, sophistication and education, a feminazi who thinks men are all beneath her. This is nothing but superiority complex.

If you’re talking about the press conference, what would you say her behaviour was? Making faces at the people around her, swinging in her chair like a bored four year old, rudely turning her back to the press when others were talking... that isn’t superiority complex?

Being successful doesn’t automatically entitle anyone to dictate or look down upon others. It’s neither a privilege nor a virtue.

I have noticed so many times that she doesnt listen when others talk or give their pov..she talks and leaves and when others speak she starts doing some work.. she never gives eye contact to listen to them..as if it's not important at all.. she does this even with abhinav..

Being a strong woman is different from being hypocrite and arrogant.. I have supported gauhar, shilpa , deepika.. they were all very strong in their approach to the game.. rubina clearly tries to create her unnecessary rules and makes it so stern for others to follow.. she puts down others..and she has undue support of abhinav.. so she starts and fight every time and abhinav jumps in between and she backs off letting him progress her fight..

Originally posted by: locopoco

Wah your point is point my point is Moo point.

👏 don't think there any point in discussion, because anything said against Rubina is Moo point. 😡

My opinion about madam Rubina does not change with your psychology definition. You don't want to or have to agree but its kiddish to call others pov as Moo point.

Just you are allowed to give pov with your psychology definition, if you cant handle others pov, you don't have to reply.

Cheers

Originally posted by: SimsNaiken

I made some very clear concise points and responded to your points respectfully, even though some of them were more snide remarks than actual points to discuss.

The reason I called it a moot point is because you seemed to have contradicted yourself. *(Moo is from Friends - Joey and a little inside joke in myself head).

Let me try again to explain myself -- You said and I quote, "Thanks for the psychology class, but this isn't real world. So all such definitions don't hold true in this game."

Ipso facto -- one cannot claim Rubina has a superiority complex either. You get my drift? Hence it becomes a moot point. Because if such definitions don't hold true for one, it being a non real world in a 'reality' game, then they cannot hold true for another.

So yeah -- not childish at all actually. I welcome grown up discussions and povs very much. Genuinely.

Cheers

Exactly you are basing her behavior according to a psychology book, thats the reason I said it isn't real. Meaning if she carries the behavior she does in the show no one would give a damn to her.

But she has portrait and conducted herself in a manner that constantly puts other people down. Examples: never does she let other people talk. Never does she listen, including her own husband. She contradicts herself but goes round to still prove her point and I can go on and on.

This lady has time and again spoken about class and category, which to date no contestant would as they are coming from same walk of life (atleast professionally). She has gone to say things like Abhinav has high IQ, or that she's a gold medalist when both her claims fall flat when they are seen talking.

So based on this I think she has a superiority complex. FYI I'm not her neighbor to know her real self, I will judge her according to the 1 hour of the show that I watch.

As for the other contestants, one I did not side with them, two they don't talk about class and category, three they don't show off their achievements. So anyone who goes around boasting about themselves and looks down on others are infact suffering from superiority complex. (Don't care what the book says).

As far as Moo point goes, I could say the same to you as at the end of the day its just your opinion. And if you have right to one, so does the other person. Either reason it out or don't reply. Its a norm here to go out if the way to defend your fav contestant.

I dont appreciate this kind of mocking, since I replied straight to the point and I expect a counter remark but not a mocking one.

Anyhow I'm not interested in psychology or in Rubina. I see her a certain way and as an audience this opinion will stay with me for a long time.

Originally posted by: Tulip235

My views on this are completely the opposite. There are lot of viewers like me who watch just BB and not any Hindi serials. I have not heard of Rubina and many others before this show. My opinion of Rubina is purely based on her behaviour on the show. What I have seen is an arrogant, pretentious woman who’s needlessly aggressive, who enjoys putting people down, who judges others on the basis of class, sophistication and education, a feminazi who thinks men are all beneath her. This is nothing but superiority complex.

If you’re talking about the press conference, what would you say her behaviour was? Making faces at the people around her, swinging in her chair like a bored four year old, rudely turning her back to the press when others were talking... that isn’t superiority complex?

Being successful doesn’t automatically entitle anyone to dictate or look down upon others. It’s neither a privilege nor a virtue.

-- I have not found signs of her showing arrogance or being needlessly aggressive. I do find her aggressive when there are altercations, which seems to be the usb of this show. This aggression in the male contestants is taken as a positive trait, but she is judged for it. Example-- repeatedly Abhinav is told to stand up and take action against people who fight with him. On WKVs he was told that It seems you leave things mid altercation, you don't understand what your fans are saying, don't slap but fight back and so on and so forth. Here Rubina is doing exactly that fighting back and she's somehow too aggressive? I'd like for you back this point up... She seldom swears, she does not invade personal space as much as others have done and most importantly she does not break BB house property in fits of anger like some of the other HMs have done quite openly in anger.

-- The enjoy putting people down, judging people - I have not seen her do that. In their free time this group generally talks about a lot of other stuff that's not always related to the house and its people. Abhinav was even made fun of this, for the random facts etc he talks about. This does not mean that gossip and bitching does not happen -- of course it will that's a given.

However if you mean in a fight if she's using the words aukaat etc again I would argue almost everyone does that. Mujhe fark nai padta, tum koun hotey ho, tu hain koun bey etc are version of the same word -- aukaat. It's essentially saying you are nobody in a nicer way. So this again she is not the only one guilty of. I'm not saying she doesn't do this, I'm saying everyone does it.

-- Lastly if she was an extremist feminist, one that believes all men are beneath them -- she wouldn't have been married. Of course this is an assumption that extreme feminist don't marry but its harder to get along with someone of the opposite sex when you believe the world is a better place without men.
I do however believe that toxic men and patriarchal men she looks down upon and personally thats how it should be. If we are not on the same page on this point -- then we're dealing with 2 very different sets of ideologies between us and we'll forever be at an impasse and I'll leave it at that.

If you’re talking about the press conference, what would you say her behaviour was? Making faces at the people around her, swinging in her chair like a bored four year old, rudely turning her back to the press when others were talking... that isn’t superiority complex?

--- So I don't always like to respond to whataboutery because, it kind of deters the conversation but yes ok we'll indulge in this one too.

Rubina making faces at what Rahul was saying and doing all those antics was not mature at all. I never claimed she was the best of the lot - I found Abhinav to be the best of all of them. However context is important here -- Was Rubina rude to the press NO. Rubina was rude to Rahul who from the very first question was interrupting her and making audible snide comments when she was answering. At one point he even stood up to clap etc. So should she have risen above this low bar that was set -- Definitely a million times yes, but if she did not and gave it back to the person heckling her during her answers does that make her somehow suffer from superiority complex? Rather unlikely.

Being successful doesn’t automatically entitle anyone to dictate or look down upon others. It’s neither a privilege nor a virtue.

---- I agree completely with this completely. So was rally looking down on the reporters in the press conference?

Ali said you should come with prepared notes next time when we all know he was blatantly lying he has spoken ill about Rubina and Abhinav. Everything that reporter said, Ali has said, repeatedly (you can see in the live feeds I'm not just making this up).

Ejaz, who was so rude that the reporters present there actually called it and even the celeb hosting Kamya had to mention that he's coming across rude. To make up for this faux pas Ejaz has given 2 more interviews explaining how he was so tired and agitated cause he was not in his own surroundings and at Pavitra's place -- even that his phone was dying and he didn't have a light ring.

Now you tell me compared to what Rubina did vs just these 2 -- why is she the only one with the superiority issue? Because she is a woman? How dare she be so strong and confident in herself? how dare she act just like the men?

I genuinely don't know. The way toxic men are hailed as Gods I'd think everyone should love Rubina cause' accordingly she has all of the same qualities as these men. -- OK that was an emphatic retort not a factual one. I try to not do that often, being a woman I know all too well how emotional responses reduce the value of what I'm saying.


Anyway, this was a lot to write, took up my entire lunch time and I have not eaten yet.... I do not think I will change your mind (seeing as the feminist word you misused I am confident I won't change your mind)... but the rhetoric around her gets to me and burns my apple. I empathize with her.

Women like Rubina are important to be seen on the TV screen. Unapologetic, confident, by all means flawed and not sans faults but self assured and dignified.

She's not perfect but she's a woman hear her roar.

Cheers

Originally posted by: SimsNaiken

Okay well Firstly, I do not agree with the use of the word Feminazi - It is very much a derogatory slur -- but I will assume it was not intended or meant that way (truthfully that's sort of like assuming the N word is not what it means but anyway we move on).


"What I have seen is an arrogant, pretentious woman who’s needlessly aggressive, who enjoys putting people down, who judges others on the basis of class, sophistication and education, a feminazi who thinks men are all beneath her. This is nothing but superiority complex."

-- I have not found signs of her showing arrogance or being needlessly aggressive. I do find her aggressive when there are altercations, which seems to be the usb of this show. This aggression in the male contestants is taken as a positive trait, but she is judged for it. Example-- repeatedly Abhinav is told to stand up and take action against people who fight with him. On WKVs he was told that It seems you leave things mid altercation, you don't understand what your fans are saying, don't slap but fight back and so on and so forth. Here Rubina is doing exactly that fighting back and she's somehow too aggressive? I'd like for you back this point up... She seldom swears, she does not invade personal space as much as others have done and most importantly she does not break BB house property in fits of anger like some of the other HMs have done quite openly in anger.

-- The enjoy putting people down, judging people - I have not seen her do that. In their free time this group generally talks about a lot of other stuff that's not always related to the house and its people. Abhinav was even made fun of this, for the random facts etc he talks about. This does not mean that gossip and bitching does not happen -- of course it will that's a given.

However if you mean in a fight if she's using the words aukaat etc again I would argue almost everyone does that. Mujhe fark nai padta, tum koun hotey ho, tu hain koun bey etc are version of the same word -- aukaat. It's essentially saying you are nobody in a nicer way. So this again she is not the only one guilty of. I'm not saying she doesn't do this, I'm saying everyone does it.

-- Lastly if she was an extremist feminist, one that believes all men are beneath them -- she wouldn't have been married. Of course this is an assumption that extreme feminist don't marry but its harder to get along with someone of the opposite sex when you believe the world is a better place without men.
I do however believe that toxic men and patriarchal men she looks down upon and personally thats how it should be. If we are not on the same page on this point -- then we're dealing with 2 very different sets of ideologies between us and we'll forever be at an impasse and I'll leave it at that.

If you’re talking about the press conference, what would you say her behaviour was? Making faces at the people around her, swinging in her chair like a bored four year old, rudely turning her back to the press when others were talking... that isn’t superiority complex?

--- So I don't always like to respond to whataboutery because, it kind of deters the conversation but yes ok we'll indulge in this one too.

Rubina making faces at what Rahul was saying and doing all those antics was not mature at all. I never claimed she was the best of the lot - I found Abhinav to be the best of all of them. However context is important here -- Was Rubina rude to the press NO. Rubina was rude to Rahul who from the very first question was interrupting her and making audible snide comments when she was answering. At one point he even stood up to clap etc. So should she have risen above this low bar that was set -- Definitely a million times yes, but if she did not and gave it back to the person heckling her during her answers does that make her somehow suffer from superiority complex? Rather unlikely.

Being successful doesn’t automatically entitle anyone to dictate or look down upon others. It’s neither a privilege nor a virtue.

---- I agree completely with this completely. So was rally looking down on the reporters in the press conference?

Ali said you should come with prepared notes next time when we all know he was blatantly lying he has spoken ill about Rubina and Abhinav. Everything that reporter said, Ali has said, repeatedly (you can see in the live feeds I'm not just making this up).

Ejaz, who was so rude that the reporters present there actually called it and even the celeb hosting Kamya had to mention that he's coming across rude. To make up for this faux pas Ejaz has given 2 more interviews explaining how he was so tired and agitated cause he was not in his own surroundings and at Pavitra's place -- even that his phone was dying and he didn't have a light ring.

Now you tell me compared to what Rubina did vs just these 2 -- why is she the only one with the superiority issue? Because she is a woman? How dare she be so strong and confident in herself? how dare she act just like the men?

I genuinely don't know. The way toxic men are hailed as Gods I'd think everyone should love Rubina cause' accordingly she has all of the same qualities as these men. -- OK that was an emphatic retort not a factual one. I try to not do that often, being a woman I know all too well how emotional responses reduce the value of what I'm saying.


Anyway, this was a lot to write, took up my entire lunch time and I have not eaten yet.... I do not think I will change your mind (seeing as the feminist word you misused I am confident I won't change your mind)... but the rhetoric around her gets to me and burns my apple. I empathize with her.

Women like Rubina are important to be seen on the TV screen. Unapologetic, confident, by all means flawed and not sans faults but self assured and dignified.

She's not perfect but she's a woman hear her roar.

Cheers

I started to read your reply but the sheer length of it put me off. I have neither the time not the patience for such lengthy posts. I am more than happy to read and respond to you if you can keep your responses short and precise. I’m way past the stage of reading lengthy essays. 😆

Originally posted by: locopoco

Exactly you are basing her behavior according to a psychology book, thats the reason I said it isn't real. Meaning if she carries the behavior she does in the show no one would give a damn to her.

But she has portrait and conducted herself in a manner that constantly puts other people down. Examples: never does she let other people talk. Never does she listen, including her own husband. She contradicts herself but goes round to still prove her point and I can go on and on.

This lady has time and again spoken about class and category, which to date no contestant would as they are coming from same walk of life (atleast professionally). She has gone to say things like Abhinav has high IQ, or that she's a gold medalist when both her claims fall flat when they are seen talking.

So based on this I think she has a superiority complex. FYI I'm not her neighbor to know her real self, I will judge her according to the 1 hour of the show that I watch.

As for the other contestants, one I did not side with them, two they don't talk about class and category, three they don't show off their achievements. So anyone who goes around boasting about themselves and looks down on others are infact suffering from superiority complex. (Don't care what the book says).

As far as Moo point goes, I could say the same to you as at the end of the day its just your opinion. And if you have right to one, so does the other person. Either reason it out or don't reply. Its a norm here to go out if the way to defend your fav contestant.

I dont appreciate this kind of mocking, since I replied straight to the point and I expect a counter remark but not a mocking one.

Anyhow I'm not interested in psychology or in Rubina. I see her a certain way and as an audience this opinion will stay with me for a long time.

Hats off to your patience! I was okay with one super long post, but can’t keep reading so many essays! 😄

100% with everything you said. The TM can take this as my reply as well, especially that part in bold.

Originally posted by: Tulip235

I started to read your reply but the sheer length of it put me off. I have neither the time not the patience for such lengthy posts. I am more than happy to read and respond to you if you can keep your responses short and precise. I’m way past the stage of reading lengthy essays. 😆

All good boss, your use of the word Feminazi told me more than enough.

Cheers. 👍🏽

Originally posted by: locopoco

Exactly you are basing her behavior according to a psychology book, thats the reason I said it isn't real. Meaning if she carries the behavior she does in the show no one would give a damn to her.

But she has portrait and conducted herself in a manner that constantly puts other people down. Examples: never does she let other people talk. Never does she listen, including her own husband. She contradicts herself but goes round to still prove her point and I can go on and on.

This lady has time and again spoken about class and category, which to date no contestant would as they are coming from same walk of life (atleast professionally). She has gone to say things like Abhinav has high IQ, or that she's a gold medalist when both her claims fall flat when they are seen talking.

So based on this I think she has a superiority complex. FYI I'm not her neighbor to know her real self, I will judge her according to the 1 hour of the show that I watch.

As for the other contestants, one I did not side with them, two they don't talk about class and category, three they don't show off their achievements. So anyone who goes around boasting about themselves and looks down on others are infact suffering from superiority complex. (Don't care what the book says).

As far as Moo point goes, I could say the same to you as at the end of the day its just your opinion. And if you have right to one, so does the other person. Either reason it out or don't reply. Its a norm here to go out if the way to defend your fav contestant.

I dont appreciate this kind of mocking, since I replied straight to the point and I expect a counter remark but not a mocking one.

Anyhow I'm not interested in psychology or in Rubina. I see her a certain way and as an audience this opinion will stay with me for a long time.

Oh baby ko thaes pasand nai?

You can pass snide remarks and mock me, but I pass a few witty ones back to you and you don’t like it? I was in fact rather genuine for the most part.

In any case. We can’t keep going at it cause’ our ideologies are very different.

Sooo I guess it is a mooT point 😏

🍻👍🏽

Wow this brought back the psychology class memories. Thoroughly enjoyed reading this and love how someone actually posted a thread with proper psychological backing.

I wish you had mentioned Freud's ego, ID and super ego theory as well as Alfred Adler's inferiority complex definition. I think their theory makes a lot of sense for Eijaz and Rubina too.

Eijaz from day one, I could see that he wants to be the best and wants to be a perfectionist and there is nothing wrong with that. Ita just that he pretends to not care but he is the one who cares the most which is why he was very disappointed when Sonali told him that Rubina was very popular. He was also upset when challengers came in because he thought he had failed to entertain the audience and this happens because he wants to strive for succeed - element of superego as he feels guilty for "failing".

Again nothing wrong in this and his childhood trauma also backs up why he is like this. The only problem is that he labels others as having a complex when he himself does. Interrupting Rubina when she was giving inferiority complex example, was clear evidence how he himself has superior complex. He just hides it.

Rubina does have shades of it too. I mostly see it in the way she treats her friends. Even when they're wrong, she will defend them. Even when they neglect or backstab her, she will run behind them. Example, Jasmine and Nikki. They are not always right but Ruby will protect them despite this.