Veer's hypnotism - Page 2

Originally posted by: _NINA_

I always said this that logic and naagin series are poles apart. I wish that they will clear this hypnotization mess

LOL sau baat ki ek hi baat hai 🤣 God knows why I'm trying to find logic here. Bas, like you I hope this hypnotism mess is resolved asap. I want our Veer back properly now that Bani is also totally into him. We need more hot romance, guys 🔥🔥🔥

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

I guess Markaat was not technically a hybrid though, right? Isn't that the differentiation they told us back when she was introduced - that she is and can be two separate beings, a snake and a cheel, within one, but she explicitly isn't a hybrid? 😕 I'd have to go back and rewatch her entry ep, which IDK if I can be bothered. But I think I remember it that way. Which implies that a snake-cheel hybrid wouldn't be a Markaat (i.e. able to split itself into two). In any case I think "Markaat" is just a name Chandrakala uses because she likes power, it's not the name of her species, whatever that is. They just call her that "ajeeb jeev", which, way to be vague 😔

Thank God this isn't one of the Bhagyas, let's just say that. Otherwise skygirl would be pregnant (for 24 months minimum), would come and live in the Cheel mansion and would constantly try to poison Bani with laddoos or some such (I legit saw a scene on Insta where a family were having a serious discussion about someone poisoning some laddoos to make the FL look bad 😵 no idea what show but WTAF 🤣)

Re: the bells, well that's why I thought they might be significant. Technically speaking there should be some weird consequences from a snake and eagle mating...but I guess the whole premise of the season is that the cheel-naagin relationship has Shivji's blessing, because otherwise, would he even have let the wedding take place?

I think you are right about markaat please don’t bother watching it again. The makers themselves have probably forgotten what they’ve said and give us a new trope 😆 wonder what cheelu and aadi naagins kids will be like

Ok I saw that scene LOL and how many months did one day of karva Chauth last. Swear it was like a month I was like ooo those ladies must be starving 🤣

Yep these two were meant o be together I just hope they show us the backstory of why and the purpose. From satyug to now. But I won’t be holding my breath I’m sure all of these will be remembered at convenience. But I’m sure there will come a point when bani will have to choose between her ‘power’ (totally debateable about what they are if anyone knows let us know) and Veer.

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

LOL sau baat ki ek hi baat hai 🤣 God knows why I'm trying to find logic here. Bas, like you I hope this hypnotism mess is resolved asap. I want our Veer back properly now that Bani is also totally into him. We need more hot romance, guys 🔥🔥🔥

Stalkers please read that last line. Cheers. 😆

Originally posted by: Humes22

I think you are right about markaat please don’t bother watching it again. The makers themselves have probably forgotten what they’ve said and give us a new trope 😆 wonder what cheelu and aadi naagins kids will be like Sanki and sassy, just like them 😳😆 Picture Ballu's face though as they come screaming towards him yelling for "Daadu-ji!" 🤣

Ok I saw that scene LOL and how many months did one day of karva Chauth last. Swear it was like a month I was like ooo those ladies must be starving 🤣 OMG...the logic fails in Kekta's proper saas-bahu shows, I swear. We think Naagin is bad...if this were one of the K's, we'd be in a hell of a lot more pain 🤣

Yep these two were meant o be together I just hope they show us the backstory of why and the purpose. From satyug to now. But I won’t be holding my breath I’m sure all of these will be remembered at convenience. But I’m sure there will come a point when bani will have to choose between her ‘power’ (totally debateable about what they are if anyone knows let us know) and Veer. I thought it might be in this track, like maybe Markaat's like, you can save Veer if you give me your powers...but it doesn't feel like they'll go down that route. But given Veer's comment in the last ep asking what Bani would choose, that seems like the obvious route to take 😕

Originally posted by: Humes22

Stalkers please read that last line. Cheers.

Correction: Stalkers, please read that last line and DON'T FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO THE OPPOSITE OKAY. Cheers 🤣🤣 Can't be too careful...we have to give them clear instructions 😆

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

Correction: Stalkers, please read that last line and DON'T FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO THE OPPOSITE OKAY. Cheers 🤣🤣 Can't be too careful...we have to give them clear instructions 😆

LOL wonder what Ballu will say to them DONT CALL ME DADUJI 🤣 wonder if Pawan chacha hair would still be the same and woukd he still wear curtains as outfits 🤣

If this was one of the K dramas the show would have taken a 50 year leap and veer still wouldn’t have known bani was aadhi naagin 🤪

I think the power vs love will come later but it will come for sure. I’ve not seen previous seasons but from what I understand in previous seasons this was a major point. But with this scene lord only knows!

Honestly speaking I was so engrossed with the way VAni sensual date scene was flowing that I wasn’t even thinking about Veer’s dual demeanor until I witnessed some were discoursing the matter on Twitter. I snapped out of it immediately and start noticing. However, few things I thought could have been better like repentance scene. Considering Veer’s selfless mohabbet for Bani has always been so high and intense and that he would rather take the pain and sufferings upon himself than giving it to Bani. The flow of scene was disoriented because Veer was hypnotized and then suddenly he came back to Bani and started blowing off the candles. There you kinda say like “what just happened?”, because you are unaware whether Veer being disengage from the spell or is it still effecting him with some range?

I think the control won’t be lasting constantly, it will juggle when Markaat feels pain over the threshul she was hanging from and Balwant came to distract her so I guess there the flow of her powers were lost and Veer back to his original self. And so with that his personality was keep changing.

Even if this was Mukta’s idea to confuse viewers, she needed to somehow provided a scene where Veer still being effected by the hypnosis or struggling between its side effects which was imposing on him, but then it’s only us who sort of making an assumption of that. I wouldn’t even mind if there was inconsistencies because Vani romance did the deal for me.

Yes Veer was calmer than usual on learning upon Bani’s feelings because I felt he gave in too much in the relationship prior to Bani’s emotion starts to develop.

Only recently when he addressed his complains and irritation regarding Jay being most important to Bani, we did see a change in his demeanor. He wanted to back off a little bit & give Bani her time. He didn’t want to indulge like before because everything has his limits. He probably want to act like Bani’s Veer and not someone who is always constantly joking. This time he took everything seriously and gave it back to her. But I kinda felt that his excitement was a bit low regarding few gestures which Bani expressed, but still I think Veer wanted to see the love from Bani’s end so he just wanted to let her speak and express. Ofcourse this banda literally had waited for this day to come.

Moreover his mind has been traumatized enough from the spell to completely act normal, so there was variations. Let’s see if it can be slightly justified in the coming episodes.

The consummation scene was a classic reversal of roles - Bani being ecstatic & passionate & Veeranshu being calm & restrained - because of the guilt of tossing Bani that badly ! I agree with everyone that Veeranshu wanted Bani to take the lead & he followed her cues accordingly. The scene was subtle & well executed, had just the right degree of emotions & was presented beautifully. VAni relationship definitely has Shivji's sanction & approval, but don't know if the makers would focus on showing the cosmic connection between them.

Regarding the hypnotic effect, one thing is quite strange that Veer remembers everything clearly that happens prior to the hypnosis & even during the hypnosis. He can't detect what's going wrong when he should be the first one to understand that he's being controlled by an external force. During that Naagfani effect, he understood that he's losing control on himself, but in this case he is clueless. Perhaps this is just a trope to highlight Bani as the ultimate saviour !

I don't know why people felt he was possessed at all yesterday! According to me, his spell broke in the bedroom itself when he was talking to bani! Well, they don't clarify anything ever, so I assume seeing bani emotional maybe made him come back to normal!😆(Who knows!)

After then, throughout the date, I didn't find any sign of possession!😳

I found his expressions rather intense and brooding than possessed mahn!😆

Also, its sure that moon has nothing to do with veer's hypnosis at all! As I had mentioned before, moon was just a medium for maarkaat's powers to get activated on its host!

Also, the reason we see veer fully under maarkaat's control is her own mindset too! Balwant triggered her anger yesterday saying, aadi-naagin defeated her!

Now she's more hell bent on destroying her! Maybe, that's why she has focused all her energies on Veer! As that's her only weapon!

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

So, re-watching the ep (who, me? 😳) and at the end just before the final scene of the 'morning after', Chandrakala says to herself "Veer ka kya hua? Veer ka dimaag mere bass mein aa hi raha tha", implying that he wasn't totally under her control yet.

I don't think this is very well explained, but this makes me feel that the writers are confirming that Veer wasn't completely hypnotised throughout the episode, and also that the moon's waxing and waning doesn't actually have much to do with it. Like yeah, maybe the moon's negative rays were implanted in him, but it's Chandrakala who controls it. So while she was distracted (by Ballu/the cheels?), Veer wasn't fully in the grasp of her power. So though he looked shifty in some scenes, it was more just a way to throw the audience off rather than an indication that he's still under Markaat's control.

Presumably this is why immediately after Chandrakala saying this, Veer woke up with purple eyes, because she focused her energies on him, and now presumably will maintain that until he is fully in her control. Like, he's a video that needed buffering but halfway through the internet cut out, so he wasn't fully possessed (😆) and now Chandru has sorted out her gufaa-ka-WiFi connection.

And I guess that's why, in the next ep, he goes full on cray-cray, and literally flies off to the moon to go dance with some rando chick and end up marrying her...because he's now fully under Markaat's control and therefore suggestible and susceptible to anything. How skygirl plays into this, IDK - like is she also mili-hui with Markaat or Jay or someone else, or is this just some random seduction *shrugs*. I guess kal pata chalega. But in the precap she's like "we don't have much time, are you ready?" which implies there's some time-sensitive reason for them to get married?

This is the best explanation (yes, really 😆) I can come up with re: his weird 'is he or isn't he possessed' situation. Like he was getting there during last week's ep, and the first part of this one, but then for some reason it didn't take fully, so he was "our" Veer for the apology and date/SR sequence, until Chandru mama realised she needed to complete the job.

I don't think the show does itself any favours by being weirdly subtle about things like this, and I also don't know if this even makes it any easier to digest, but yeah...I'll go with this reasoning to make the SR/date feel completely possession-free. I know people seemed concerned about Veer's expressions at times, but the dude is completely theda and always has been, so his sarcastic, smug smile is basically a permanent feature of his character, rather than necessarily an omen. It's just that the show hasn't clarified this possession thing so we're seeing everything with that aspect in mind. Or that's what I'll believe until they tell me otherwise...

Speaking of omens though, during the crucial moments of the consummation, IDK if anyone else noticed the baadal garjh-ing or the (temple) bells ringing...? Not sure if that was supposed to signify something...like "this is what's destined" or, conversely, "something bad is going to follow"...?

Could be.Even,I thought that may be he wasn't fully possessed.

I don't know if we will ever get to see Veer being the most powerful cheel. Its so lame. Koi bhi aata hai aur usse cage main band kar ke ya hyptonise kar ke chala jaata hai..

I really want to see what were his powers.

Instead of that boring markat they should show Vani fighting together against a difference force and using their powers.

Cheel vs naagin bol kar Mukta has totally forgotten the main crux.

@Bold I noticed that.May be it was about finally destined couple meeting..Mukta jaane

Logic is always missing from this show so dont know..there are always pages of analysis and it turns out to be bloopers/loopholes half of the time..

I am still wondering why did Bani go near the sea and why her escape route was from sea when they needed to escape it..

Also,since ring was back in yesterday's episode,I am assuming last episode's missing ring was a blooper then..😕

Originally posted by: Manoshono

Honestly speaking I was so engrossed with the way VAni sensual date scene was flowing that I wasn’t even thinking about Veer’s dual demeanor until I witnessed some were discoursing the matter on Twitter. I snapped out of it immediately and start noticing. However, few things I thought could have been better like repentance scene. Considering Veer’s selfless mohabbet for Bani has always been so high and intense and that he would rather take the pain and sufferings upon himself than giving it to Bani. The flow of scene was disoriented because Veer was hypnotized and then suddenly he came back to Bani and started blowing off the candles. There you kinda say like “what just happened?”, because you are unaware whether Veer being disengage from the spell or is it still effecting him with some range? See, I thought his apology was very sincere...he was genuinely upset and perturbed that he'd hurt Bani, and couldn't quite believe that he'd done it. Yes, the leaving the room and coming back thing might have felt weird, but I think it was designed by the writers to unsettle us a bit. If the hypnotism hadn't been a factor, we wouldn't have thought twice about it.

I think the control won’t be lasting constantly, it will juggle when Markaat feels pain over the threshul she was hanging from and Balwant came to distract her so I guess there the flow of her powers were lost and Veer back to his original self. And so with that his personality was keep changing. That's my theory too.

Even if this was Mukta’s idea to confuse viewers, she needed to somehow provided a scene where Veer still being effected by the hypnosis or struggling between its side effects which was imposing on him, but then it’s only us who sort of making an assumption of that. I wouldn’t even mind if there was inconsistencies because Vani romance did the deal for me. For sure. Half the problem is that we're constantly having to fill in the blanks because the show leaves things unsaid. But yeah, the romance was on fire and did it for me.

Yes Veer was calmer than usual on learning upon Bani’s feelings because I felt he gave in too much in the relationship prior to Bani’s emotion starts to develop.

Only recently when he addressed his complains and irritation regarding Jay being most important to Bani, we did see a change in his demeanor. He wanted to back off a little bit & give Bani her time. He didn’t want to indulge like before because everything has his limits. He probably want to act like Bani’s Veer and not someone who is always constantly joking. This time he took everything seriously and gave it back to her. But I kinda felt that his excitement was a bit low regarding few gestures which Bani expressed, but still I think Veer wanted to see the love from Bani’s end so he just wanted to let her speak and express. Ofcourse this banda literally had waited for this day to come. This is very true. I agree that he let her take the lead, and also, if you think about it, he's been emotionally exhausted recently with the fear that Bani's two-timing him (emotionally) with Jay...even if she's told him she wants to be with him, that outburst of anger and insecurity would have drained him. So that could also play into it.

Moreover his mind has been traumatized enough from the spell to completely act normal, so there was variations. Let’s see if it can be slightly justified in the coming episodes. Exactly. I don't think they'll clarify it any further, but I agree that he was not under possession during the important scenes.