Suman's parameters of judgement

Like many others, I'm also genuinely stumped by what the writers are attempting to show with Suman since the breakup and it's aftermath.

1) She keeps repeating that she never really knew Shravan, he gave her dhoka....but we are never given any basis for this other than the one FB of Daddu saying "corrupt Devraj made the faulty vests which caused Vijay's death".....in this FB, it is DEVRAJ who is being accused....so where does Shravan get attached to this point?

2) Today, we are shown that she only ponders giving Shravan the benefit of doubt for a second cuz TODAY she saw genuine pain in his eyes and felt he might sincerely feel grief over her father's death? WHERE did Shravan EVER show anything BUT grief for her father's death? He was literally WITH her the moment she got the news, he literally held her while she cried.... and he was right in front of her eyes at the funeral....she saw his tears for her with her own eyes and she still has DOUBT about him feeling pain for her father....what kind of amazing amnesia is this?😕

3) Everything aside, she is acting like this is some cheap competition between her father's win and Shravan's father's win....it is staggering to see such life and death stakes being viewed in such a childish fashion....the fact that the writers make her mouth such asinine lines with a straight face is another level of insult to the audience's intelligence.

To show a Suman who only condescends to "care" for someone if they meet her twisted criteria of respect and concern for her father is beyond ridiculous. No normal person would give such a person time of day. To then show characters like Kancha and the rest of the Tiwaris normalizing this delusion and continuing to push this alternate reality where Shravan supposedly never cared for Suman's father is another level of bullshit.

4) Another bit I found completely stupid today was Suman claiming she "let down her father" by losing the case.....lol again, this girl has no cognizance of ground reality and lives in her own head. Even the excuse of grief can't be stretched this far....she is dangerously delusional now in whatever parameters she has cooked up in her head about what it means to "live up to her father's dreams". None of what she is doing right now was ever stated by Vijay to be his "dream" for her....he never explicitly said ki leave Shravan, hate him, then pursue a baseless treason case for 7 years to make me proud....yet Suman persists in this delusion and the entire Tiwari clan acts like it's perfectly normal that they still want only Devraj to die for this even if the actual culprits have been indicted😕

One is forced then to conclude that this is just a cheap game for them, not about any real justice. There really is no rock bottom for how pathetic the mentality of the Tiwari family is. What a shame.

5) Ultimately, Suman comes across not just as a highly judgemental person but a highly delusional one as well....being delusional and judgemental at the same time is a dangerous combination. She is passing judgements based on her own delusions.....she doesn't want to face any truth or reality. How can one even begin to deal with such a person.

And it does beg the question....what kind of a love story is it when one person is so extremely self-centered and still insists on dictating every relationship based on her own perceptions? Suman is very much behaving as if Shravan doesn't deserve any regard unless he explicitly hero worships her dad just as blindly as she does. His own pain doesn't count unless it's the kind of pain that she can see. This sounds ridiculous and I can't believe this is what the writers are going with😕😆.

I am annoyed at shravan for calling vikram and sharing the whole mawa jalebi thing with him to cheer up suman. He is just too into this and this whole being a large hearted person is going overboard for me now.

Suman i am appalled at how she has been shown since the break up. She seems to have lost empathy emotions and cannot see beyond her and her pain regarding losing her dad. Nothing or no one else in the world matter anymore it is all about her and her dad.

This grief excuse people keep using the loss of losing both parents it's so half baked and lame. So she lost her parents that should give her the right to walk over everyone around her? And really people want to feel the pain of the loss of a mother Who was anyway always a wallpaper. If writers were going to use this angle they should've shown something regarding her and her mom's bonding. I am not even going into the discussion that she herself rarely mentions her mom

Suman today comes across as self centered sadist egoistic selfish judgemental person. No sane person should ever get into a relationship with her if they want a peaceful life.

Oh also blind because otherwise it was pretty obvious shravan wasn't dancing today. But wow he isn't even allowed to celebrate his dad getting acquitted? the court has given the verdict devraj is not guilty of treason but nai suman ne man liya guilty hai toh hai naa kya.

This is some epic ego trip she is on with no end in sight. 🤔

Originally posted by: Khyati8

This grief excuse people keep using the loss of losing both parents it's so half baked and lame. So she lost her parents that should give her the right to walk over everyone around her?

You know, I think this actually an important point that keeps getting lost in the noise since Sumo just keeps tossing out so much nonsense daily, it's hard to focus.

But this premise....that going through grief in your life gives you the right to casually slander and accuse anyone without solid proof.....this is deeply problematic on many levels and should not be normalized in society. Nothing gives a person the right to falsely accuse someone. Period. If such things are given a free pass, then civilized society might as well fall apart....it's jungle rule then.

The fact that the story continues to push a delusional Suman even after the resolution of the court case shows that she is only interested in scapegoating Devaj even when the court of law has shown that he wasn't directly responsible. There is no "justice" to be found in such a situation because Suman is searching for some intangible "satisfaction" that won't be found by targeting Devraj.

In all this, so much empathy and humanity has been lost. To see the Tiwaris overnight treating the Malhotras like lepers....what a sad waste....these were families that knew each other, but now the Tiwaris behave like judge, jury and executioners without any proof.....and the writers persist with this.

It is not the audience spreading negativity, but the writers who insist only on channeling this senseless line in the story rather than pursuing any rational development.

LOL, I think you summed up the chagrin very well. 👏What I'm just baffled from Shravan's side is that he's giving suggestions to vikram to cheer up & talking about tastes. So, I applaud his chivalrous attitude but today, he went a bit overboard, as Khyati08 said, with pushing suman towards vikram despite good intents.

Two good things out of today's episode: devraj & shravan convo (missed the nalayak word😳😆) & shravan & bunty conversation as good friends even though he still was worried about suman.

Suman's just gone case. Like you said, she seems to have a blurred vision of defining certain things. So sad to see her character just turned outlandish as opposedto what we saw her preleap. The death took a really giant toll on her psychological thought process too hard that the only question: what next is to be seen out of her? Low expectations now for today. Its just like being spoonfeed with (IDK how to term this😆so suggestions are welcome) SUMO SPECIAL SAMBHAR or CARICATURED SUMO SPECIAL CACHUMBAR because if her redemption isn't shown while keeping shravan's character as good despite small flaws which are negligible since he is still a good-at-heart person despite tolerating such nonsense keeping low expectaions.

What also today has really started to bother me is a very worrying development: the beginning of the bashing of Shravan’s character!!

why on earth should we need to, exactly as you note, see the Mawa jalebi business ... completely OTT. They are ruining the self-respecting mature Shravan we know even post leap. Sure—-He can care for her but it doesn’t mean he needed to go overboard like this!

I also fully agree that the guilty even after proven innocent business just grates on ones nerves. This is becoming less like a love story and more like a bully - bully story.

Grief doesn’t give one an excuse to be a bully and throw ones weight around. And if tragedy does make you Selfish, delusional, immature and rude — then it should not be repel factor? For any self respecting person, including shravan, na? But nah in. She has 2 guys wooing her! What on earth do these two guys see in her man? And how on earth are We fans supposed to buy that?

This whole 2-day Mein dosti with Vikram is also something I can’t fathom at all!

Originally posted by: Meena_J

LOL, I think you summed up the chagrin very well. 👏What I'm just baffled from Shravan's side is that he's giving suggestions to vikram to cheer up & talking about tastes. So, I applaud his chivalrous attitude but today, he went a bit overboard, as Khyati08 said, with pushing suman towards vikram despite good intents.

Two good things out of today's episode: devraj & shravan convo (missed the nalayak word😳😆) & shravan & bunty conversation as good friends even though he still was worried about suman.

Suman's just gone case. Like you said, she seems to have a blurred vision of defining certain things. So sad to see her character just turned outlandish as opposedto what we saw her preleap. The death took a really giant toll on her psychological thought process too hard that the only question: what next is to be seen out of her? Low expectations now for today. Its just like being spoonfeed with (IDK how to term this😆so suggestions are welcome) SUMO SPECIAL SAMBHAR or CARICATURED SUMO SPECIAL CACHUMBAR because if her redemption isn't shown while keeping shravan's character as good despite small flaws which are negligible since he is still a good-at-heart person despite tolerating such nonsense keeping low expectaions.

@bold: I had read about that bit in the WU before watching and I'd felt irritated then....but when I watched the actual scene, it came after the little scene with Bunty where Shravan said in that sad voice, "Aur main kar bhi kya sakta hoon".....and for some reason that touched my heart. I don't want Shravan to turn into some mahaan love guru for Vikram-Sumo....but I do find it touching that even after everything, he yearns to console Sumo and be there for her.....but he also knows that she won't let him....and that is why he chose to send Vikram instead.

Suman has hurt Shravan immensely but the underlying point remains that he can't help himself from still caring about her.....and it pinches him that Suman has closed all doors in his face and taken away his right to be able to offer her support.

As for Suman....I just feel exhausted again by the extent of her self-absorption....no light at the end of that tunnel anytime soon. lol....all that keeps getting proven is that Suman never really understood Shravan or had real faith in him if it got shaken up so easily. She has imagined a whole version in her head without any basis or proof.

It's not that Sumo can't be a flawed character....but this level of blind arrogance and such a self-absorbed viewpoint will not be a pleasant watch for any audience....the writers continue to scapegoat her sadly.

suman's character totally demolished by cv.

highly disappointed

Originally posted by: Kaira4ever

I also fully agree that the innocent even after proven guilty business just grates on ones nerves. This is becoming less like a love story and more like a bully - bully story.

Grief doesn’t give one an excuse to be a bully and throw ones weight around. And if tragedy does make you Selfish, delusional, immature and rude — then it should be repel factor? For any self respecting person, including shravan, na?

Love is not restrained by some pre-defined parameters....different people have different ways of expressing love. Some just become more self-less than others....Shravan is more self-less in his love for Suman but I won't really say it's at the cost of his self-respect. Yes, Suman has become the worst possible version of herself right now....but the very fact that Shravan is still able to find compassion for her even when he sees her at her worst proves how true his love is. To find compassion in the face of injustice is the most noble thing one can do.

It's hard to explain but Shravan's case is of someone who inexplicably sees into Suman's heart better than she sees herself. He feels her pain even when she herself doesn't know how to process her pain....this doesn't make him immune to hurt when she gives him pain either....but he is capable of feeling both....hurt for himself as well the pain that Sumo feels.

His greatest hurt still remains the level to which Suman has misunderstood and punished him without cause. But that still doesn't stop him from understanding her grief.

One has to view this relationship outside the parameters of "normal" right now.....these two are very twisted up right now so a toxic element has crept into their relationship....but ultimately this story needs that resolution of Suman seeing how unfair she has been to someone who loved her so deeply.

True on compassion.... the parameters are beyond normal here, and I do hear you. I can see that his very deep love for her would mean he would be sad for her. He is able to look past his own very hurt feelings, and feel that compassion and empathy for her feelings. Sure, granted and that’s a fair point.

But that doesn’t mean you Feel compelled to act... and even worse, encourage Vikram :)? I mean he barely knows the guy! Even if he wanted to do something nice, or consoling, hey use Veer! He’s your buddy ! All of x many days as well but greater than Vikram .... jhumri damru whatever. Playing Cupid makes no sense to me...

And ofc hamari Sumo ok tho serious Ilaj ki zaroorat hai....

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: I had read about that bit in the WU before watching and I'd felt irritated then....but when I watched the actual scene, it came after the little scene with Bunty where Shravan said in that sad voice, "Aur main kar bhi kya sakta hoon".....and for some reason that touched my heart. I don't want Shravan to turn into some mahaan love guru for Vikram-Sumo....but I do find it touching that even after everything, he yearns to console Sumo and be there for her.....but he also knows that she won't let him....and that is why he chose to send Vikram instead. Yeah, he seems to have good intents to cheer up and he himself realized that the damage's done and there's not much he can expect from this but just to wish for her well-being. So, yeah it just shouldn't go overboard.

Suman has hurt Shravan immensely but the underlying point remains that he can't help himself from still caring about her.....and it pinches him that Suman has closed all doors in his face and taken away his right to be able to offer her support. Hmm okies I see .. she did it & he's cant force her to open it up again. That's good thing that he lets the other person decide even though it might hurt him in the process. Very kind-soul

As for Suman....I just feel exhausted again by the extent of her self-absorption....no light at the end of that tunnel anytime soon. lol....all that keeps getting proven is that Suman never really understood Shravan or had real faith in him if it got shaken up so easily. She has imagined a whole version in her head without any basis or proof.

It's not that Sumo can't be a flawed character....but this level of blind arrogance and such a self-absorbed viewpoint will not be a pleasant watch for any audience....the writers continue to scapegoat her sadly. Yeah, the writers have taken disadvantage of the liberty despite having potential from yesterday's episode. The ending just killed it all, so I guess after this & the promo (it all just looked like a competition death stare from her side😕). While it is good thing to force em into a space where two people will have the opportunity to sort out the differences, again it just depends as to what CVs are planning to serve the viewers from next week.