Gunjan Saxena and Sreevidya speak to the media | NDTV Video interview - Page 4

Originally posted by: prerna4rishav

Where did I say anyone who disagrees is RW ? The entire protest or whatever is going on in support of IAF, is mostly driven by RWs.

Gunjan Saxena is not beyond criticism. Go criticize her all you want. But criticizing her for things like why did she clear the movie, why did she lie etc holds no ground as she's already clarified. Bring up a new issue and criticize her. 👍🏼

Also, when I say this is a paid controversy, I guess it automatically means I am criticizing Dharma as controversies are mostly paid by the Prod house itself. 😆

I don’t know if this was a paid controversy or not but this thing is definitely spiking up people's curiosity.Some of my folks weren’t interested at all at first but now after so much of IAF and Srividya, they were like let’s see what this is all about and ended up watching the movie.ha!

Originally posted by: insideroutsider

Agree to this. I feel the saddest for the real Gunjan. No matter how much polite Sreevidya is in her rebuttal, it's in extremely bad taste when she said she didn't claim anything because she didn't want any fame. That thing had stuck with me since her FB post and she said the same in the interview too- making it look like Gunjan is doing everything for fame. Gunjan's whole tone in this interview has changed. She sounds way too restricted, she keeps on saying what is her fault if everyone around her declared her to be the first, she never went to war to make a record that would be a film 21 years later.

I am sorry but it is disrespectful to Sreevidya if we say her coming out after these many years is in bad taste. I had read her FB post, shared in CC, and liked it. ❤️

She clearly mentioned the only reason she spoke out was the movie release. Chalo agreed people didn't know Sreevidya WAS actually the first female to fly in warzone. But they DID know that she was also a trainee with Gunjan. Yet in the movie they simply vanished her, for cinematic effect. So not only are they not crediting her as the first, they're also going ahead and removing her trace from the training period. Just a small footnote towards the end would have been thoughtful, and I think prevented her from speaking out. Even today I think they should add a note at the end credits saying Sreevidya was actually the first. Movies are treated as cannon. I say more than 90% people that know Gunjan Saxena wouldn't have heard her name before this movie. And being first is kind of a big deal too - till date I don't remember that other guy with Neil Armstrong 😆. The point is, Sreevidya shouldn't be questioned for coming out because of the movie - many would do that. Hamaara khoon khoon hai toh uska paani toh nahin! It's difficult to ignore a Bollywood movie in India 😆

Also, she when she says she didn't want fame, she might actually be saying the honest truth! This doesn't malign Gunjan. Gunjan did not "claim" the fame. It was these very pesky reporters that added that tag. None of these ladies are in the fault.

Gunjan herself said we should be respectful of ALL the opinions coming from Air Force veterans, and I agree. This is not Top Gun or Border (fiction) but a "biopic" so they may have valid reactions to what is portrayed. We can give this much leeway to Sreevidya surely.

Also, I think we should not look at all the issues through the prism of right v/s left. 😊

Let's respect both these women, who've been equally dignified, for the service they've given to our nation. Respect. _/\_

I have huge respect for both the girls.. 🙏 They broke the barriers, achieved great things which was thought to be unimaginable for women to conquer.. 👍 Thanks to them, more women got inducted in force 👏

OT: I’d rather sit on the fence than take a side of either of the girls.

Originally posted by: tapori

I am sorry but it is disrespectful to Sreevidya if we say her coming out after these many years is in bad taste. I had read her FB post, shared in CC, and liked it. ❤️

She clearly mentioned the only reason she spoke out was the movie release. Chalo agreed people didn't know Sreevidya was not the first female to fly in warzone. But they knew she was also a trainee with Gunjan. In the movie they vanished her, for cinematic effect. But at least a small footnote towards the end would have been thoughtful, and prevented her from speaking out. Even today I think they should add a small footnote at the end credits saying Sreevidya was actually the first. Movies are cannon. I say more than 90% people that know Gunjan Saxena wouldn't have known her before this movie. And being first is kind of a big deal too - till date I don't remember that other guy with Neil Armstrong 😆. The point is, she shouldn't be questioned for coming out because of the movie - many would do that.

Also, she might be honest saying she didn't want fame. It doesn't malign Gunjan. Gunjan did not "claim" the fame. It was these very pesky reporters that added that tag. None of them are in the fault.

Gunjan herself said we should be respectful of ALL the opinions cominng from Air Force veterans. I agree with her, and Sreevidya no less.

Also, I think we should not look all the issues through the prism of right v/s left. 😊

Let's respect both these women, who've been equally dignified, for the service they've given to our nation. Respect. _/\_

This is not a Metoo accusation...this is challenging te facts that were put out by IAF for the last 20 years or so...why wasn't Srividya speaking up when IAF always promoted Gunjan as the first...why did she not speak up and challenged IAF when Gunjan was put in the Limca book...why did she not challenge the IAF question paper which had Gunjan as the correct answer for the first woman pilot question....these are all facts that can be checked.....and IAF being a Govt and reputed organization cannot be peddling a lie for so many years...SriVidya is a hero and so is Gunjan.....do u realize that while this controversy does nothing to damage SriVidya....it has shamed Gunja....it made it seem as if Gunjan Saxena the war hero who put her life at risk for our country is sitting on a pile lies...do u realize what it does to a war veteran....do u realize what it does to her family....basically Gunjan Saxena is being shamed right now...over something that no one cared to refute for 20 years....its not as if it was not out there...she gave interviews...IAF had article, Limca book..everything as her being the first and now its all a sham for her.......Gunjan is the Neil armstrong...she is the first because the IAF says so......and if IAF says anything different they have to give a good explanation for the lie they peddled for 20 years ...

and this has nothing to do about Dharma or that snake Kjo or poor little Jhanvi....this about a celebrated war hero Gunjan who is being shamed right now.

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

This is not a Metoo accusation...this is challenging te facts that were put out by IAF for the last 20 years or so...why wasn't Srividya speaking up when IAF always promoted Gunjan as the first...why did she not speak up and challenged IAF when Gunjan was put in the Limca book...why did she not challenge the IAF question paper which had Gunjan as the correct answer for the first woman pilot question....these are all facts that can be checked.....and IAF being a Govt and reputed organization cannot be peddling a lie for so many years...SriVidya is a hero and so is Gunjan.....do u realize that while this controversy does nothing to damage SriVidya....it has shamed Gunja....it made it seem as if Gunjan Saxena the war hero who put her life at risk for our country is sitting on a pile lies...do u realize what it does to a war veteran....do u realize what it does to her family....basically Gunjan Saxena is being shamed right now...over something that no one cared to refute for 20 years....its not as if it was not out there...she gave interviews...IAF had article, Limca book..everything as her being the first and now its all a sham for her.......Gunjan is the Neil armstrong...she is the first because the IAF says so......and if IAF says anything different they have to give a good explanation for the lie they peddled for 20 years ...

and this has nothing to do about Dharma or that snake Kjo or poor little Jhanvi....this about a celebrated war hero Gunjan who is being shamed right now.

Totally agree with everything you said.

@Bold: and to say it isn’t about Gunjan but about Dharma and all the other inconsequential things is just as myopic as one can get. Clearly Srividya attacked Gunjan indirectly taking a dig at her saying she didn’t want to talk about her achievements because she wasn’t fame hungry. People who are making this about Dharma, sorry I cannot comprehend their ideology. For Dharma it is just a stupid movie and worst comes to worst, they will just withdraw the movie and pretend that it was never made.Its Gunjan’s reputation that is at stake and the 21 years of fame and glory that she accumulated through her sheer grit and hard work which was the very reason why Dharma approached her in the first place.

Originally posted by: Aanandaa

Totally agree with everything you said.

@Bold: and to say it isn’t about Gunjan but about Dharma and all the other inconsequential things is just as myopic as one can get. Clearly Srividya attacked Gunjan indirectly taking a dig at her saying she didn’t want to talk about her achievements because she wasn’t fame hungry. People who are making this about Dharma, sorry I cannot comprehend their ideology. For Dharma it is just a stupid movie and worst comes to worst, they will just withdraw the movie and pretend that it was never made.Its Gunjan’s reputation that is at stake and the 21 years of fame and glory that she accumulated through her sheer grit and hard work which was the very reason why Dharma approached her in the first place.

What had Gunjan said about the film and it’s inaccuracies ? Her exact words ?

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

What had Gunjan said about the film and it’s inaccuracies ? Her exact words ?

Not sure actually.

Originally posted by: tapori

I am sorry but it is disrespectful to Sreevidya if we say her coming out after these many years is in bad taste. I had read her FB post, shared in CC, and liked it. ❤️

She clearly mentioned the only reason she spoke out was the movie release. Chalo agreed people didn't know Sreevidya was not the first female to fly in warzone. But they knew she was also a trainee with Gunjan. In the movie they vanished her, for cinematic effect. But at least a small footnote towards the end would have been thoughtful, and prevented her from speaking out. Even today I think they should add a small footnote at the end credits saying Sreevidya was actually the first. Movies are cannon. I say more than 90% people that know Gunjan Saxena wouldn't have known her before this movie. And being first is kind of a big deal too - till date I don't remember that other guy with Neil Armstrong 😆. The point is, she shouldn't be questioned for coming out because of the movie - many would do that.

Also, she might be honest saying she didn't want fame. It doesn't malign Gunjan. Gunjan did not "claim" the fame. It was these very pesky reporters that added that tag. None of them are in the fault.

Gunjan herself said we should be respectful of ALL the opinions coming from Air Force veterans, and I agree. This is not Top Gun or Border (fiction) but a "biopic" so they may have valid reactions to what is portrayed. We can give this much leeway to Sreevidya surely.

Also, I think we should not look at all the issues through the prism of right v/s left. 😊

Let's respect both these women, who've been equally dignified, for the service they've given to our nation. Respect. _/\_

Yes but the shaming of Sreevidya just bcz she decided to speak up is something else

If SR speaking up for what she believes is right is attacking Gunjan then portraying the pilots who risked their life for the country in bad light is not shaming them?(which Gunjan did not refute, indirectly endorsed it)

Btw even Namrita Chandi the lady who trained with Gunjan says Sreevidya Rajan was the first not Gunjan

So SR is Neil Armostron according to them

Neil and Buz Aldrin went in the mission together, Gunjan and SriVidya did not fly together... Comparison is a little off imo

Originally posted by: BettyA1

Yes but the shaming of Sreevidya just bcz she decided to speak up is something else

If SR speaking up for what she believes is right is attacking Gunjan then portraying the pilots who risked their life for the country in bad light is not shaming them?(which Gunjan did not refute, indirectly endorsed it)

Btw even Namrita Chandi the lady who trained with Gunjan says Sreevidya Rajan was the first not Gunjan

So SR is Neil Armostron according to them

Neil and Buz Aldrin went in the mission together, Gunjan and SriVidya did not fly together... Comparison is a little off imo

Why is IAF been peddling Gunjan as their first lady pilot? Is it true that their exam paper has a question about the first female pilot and Gunjan is the correct answer for it?

I watched the movie and haven’t seen anything that was shaming the IAF. Criticizing a couple of officers isn’t criticizing the whole institute. IAF is much more than that.

Srividya is wrong in saying the male officers did much more but never got any recognition. We all know IAF was the one which won many wars for India and saved them in the end every time. There were so many movies, documentaries, books highlighting this fact.

Originally posted by: Aanandaa

Why is IAF been peddling Gunjan as their first lady pilot? Is it true that their exam paper has a question about the first female pilot and Gunjan is the correct answer for it?

I watched the movie and haven’t seen anything that was shaming the IAF. Criticizing a couple of officers isn’t criticizing the whole institute. IAF is much more than that.

Srividya is wrong in saying the male officers did much more but never got any recognition. We all know IAF was the one which has won many wars for India and saved them in the end every time. There were so many movies, documentaries, books highlighting this fact.

Bold - Did u watch the video ( have to admit both DR and GS are not very clear or eloquent here, maybe not used to talking to the media)

SR says that she was in the first batch and at that time media wasn’t allowed there... They were not in the habit of talking to the media... By the time Gunjan came media was allowed and she was interviewed, that could be the reason they thought she was the first

And Kargil celebration did not start up until a few yrs ago so it might have escaped most people’s attention

I think it must’ve bothered her (she should’ve said something) but maybe she didn’t think things would go this far... That’s why she’s speaking up now

I didn’t say whole Airforce is shamed but what if you were one of the men who worked with her ( although names might’ve been changed) portraying you and your colleagues like that would be okay esp if it’s not true or highly exaggerated?

Again why some (not you) are saying criticizing them is okay but not Gunjan

Okay I am done :)

Edit : She also say’s it’s in the IAF records, log book that she’s the first one... By that I am guessing she means dates can be verified