This is how you support outsiders ?? - Page 13

Originally posted by: tapori

Mere kathan ka matlab tha ki:

Tusssshar + Kapoor = everybody knows

Vidyut + Jamwal = nobody knows

But

Vidyut + Kapoor = everybody knows (Sunny Deol didn't do any in your face PR campaign. So even if Karan sinks, I think it's dignified.)

Of course it's a janmasiddha adhikaar, so I'm not venting or anything, just stating.

Bechara Tusshar Kapoor ne kab in your face PR campaign kiya be😂😂.

Usko toh aishi bhi lagi padi hain as an actor, aur kiyu maarne maare huwe ghode ko.😂

Originally posted by: colossial2015

Woh bhi ten pages ka jiske andar content bhi nahi hai. Just like school times. 🤣

Sounds funny coming from the other side when 70 to 80% of essays on this thread are filled with Nepo defenders just because they didn't like few spoken facts about Nepotism! 😆😆😆

Durso ko mock karne chale but trolling your own a$$es!😆

Originally posted by: EXOL

They would have surely talked abt it if FL was some nepo kid Like khan , Chopra kapoor etc etc coz after all audience has been brainwashed to look out for their projects .. it’s not a one day process .. audience has been tamed like that lmao .. and who said all movies have good content be it outsider or nepo kids .. difference is even if crap nepo movies still gets views and trends coz people have been made to get interested in them by all kinds of PR so ya you nepo defenders should just accept there is a flaw in the system instead of whining abt it whenever nepotism is called out

Arree why would they do that, this is their only motive here everytime they log in - how to mock outsiders' defenders, how to pick on others hypocrisy, how to preach on bullying against Karan and Alia while bullying and shading a member here so on and so forth! It's their usual life on the forum! 😆

@blue .... Perfectly said! It definitely isn't a one day process nor is it as black and white (like you pointed out) as being portrayed here!

And kya ukhaad liya by opening a topic like this - This subject has become a subject of trolling anyways - Today is this topic tomorrow they'll find another subject to troll - except it's unfortunate that this subject has become a troll subject - Siggghhh!

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

What do you mean, "even though it has an outsider"? I am (or any audience) not biased towards or against insider or outsider. We treat both the same. If it is a good product, we would watch it from any. It is the filmmakers who are biased and audience are expected to componsate for their bias. (Film maker is going to give better product with insider only. To compensate it, you pay money for a bad product of outsider). That is a great logic.

Varun is not a star kid. Till he was launched by KJo, janta did not know him. But as he was an industry kid, he got connections. Bhaaghi or ABCD, Tiger and Varun gave them after they got established. (I watched Tiger much later after his debut. But he kept getting movies till aam janta like me turned to him). People became familiar with their name in some hit movies. Then they started to go to movies, because of their name. But it (familiarity) takes time. Till then, others cannot sustain. When I say better movies, I did not mean, logical ones. In fact, October was not hit. I am speaking about Masala films which have flow (not some random scenes) and better packaging (commercial elements like foot tapping songs).

How is taking an better outsider (I am not saying Vidyut, I found him expressionless) over Armaan Jain or cutting a better trailer or a story with a plot (not just a bunch of action and sleazy scenes) is a sacrifice for production companies?

Very well said - Summarizes the core issue few of us were trying to put across!

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug

Bechara Tusshar Kapoor ne kab in your face PR campaign kiya be😂😂.

Usko toh aishi bhi lagi padi hain as an actor, aur kiyu maarne maare huwe ghode ko.😂

Bro I never said that. Those were 2 unrelated statements.

In any case. Aaai Oooo 😃

Originally posted by: EXOL

it would have got buyers if it had dharma banner . Trust me on that 🤣
In that case even me living in the cave would have known .. oops
@blue : sucks that u can’t get it .. no wonder u went on ranting abt “we” 🤣

Ab "we" likhne se bhi problem! 🤣

Man everytime I read a post referencing IF ka thread it reminds me of "frog and well" ka story who thought "well" was its world! 😆

Well Le behold there's a world beyond IF!

Many pointed out many examples like Refugee and Tushar Kapoor etc - and someone who's lived through the era will very well know how media was all over their debut from newspaper articles to promotions through TV - back then social media was non existent but media made sure to fill that void!

Stay in denial don't care but to say these kids didn't get promoted is hella funny!

And yes if this was a big banner-ed product - it would have been promoted in your face where even if we wanted we wouldn't have been able to miss it!

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

What do you mean, "even though it has an outsider"? I am (or any audience) not biased towards or against insider or outsider. We treat both the same. If it is a good product, we would watch it from any. It is the filmmakers who are biased and audience are expected to componsate for their bias. (Film maker is going to give better product with insider only. To compensate it, you pay money for a bad product of outsider). That is a great logic.

Varun is not a star kid. Till he was launched by KJo, janta did not know him. But as he was an industry kid, he got connections. Bhaaghi or ABCD, Tiger and Varun gave them after they got established. (I watched Tiger much later after his debut. But he kept getting movies till aam janta like me turned to him). People became familiar with their name in some hit movies. Then they started to go to movies, because of their name. But it (familiarity) takes time. Till then, others cannot sustain. When I say better movies, I did not mean, logical ones. In fact, October was not hit. I am speaking about Masala films which have flow (not some random scenes) and better packaging (commercial elements like foot tapping songs).

How is taking an better outsider (I am not saying Vidyut, I found him expressionless) over Armaan Jain or cutting a better trailer or a story with a plot (not just a bunch of action and sleazy scenes) is a sacrifice for production companies?

@Bold..exactly what I wanted to convey ..its not a one day process at all..even an outsider needs a hit to register his name in the minds of people...or for ppl to click his teaser...why would janta watch any trailer which isnt great and which doesnt have any star value or atleast some hummable songs?? ..how can outsiders deliver hit with a non-massy movie, with avg script....? in order for their names to be registered..they need atleast one commercial movie which is a hit..one mega production to show faith in their talent and launch them..if they can sell mediocre nepo kids to public then talented outsiders would be piece of cake for them but ofc who wants to spend money on any aira gaira outsider haa ?

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

Sounds funny coming from the other side when 70 to 80% of essays on this thread are filled with Nepo defenders just because they didn't like few spoken facts about Nepotism! 😆😆😆

Durso ko mock karne chale but trolling your own a$$es!😆

I also thought why are they doing self drag 🤣

Originally posted by: tapori

Which is all wrong!

While there is some lip service, but a lot of improvements have come in in corporate companies to tackle the abuse. We are not there yet, but we are trying to make work a better place for the employees in a lot many places.

This is where your and my vichaardhaaras diverge.

In India, unless there is pressure, we would have NO hopes of any improvement in Bollywood. Think of the outrage (again, criticism and NOT the death/rape threats) as this pressure. The threats are a nuisance that are hurting the critics as well (so stars can say dekho dekho ALL you critics look at yourself in the mirror, this is the real YOU; and things like that).

Chalta hai. Beejness mein hota hai. Cinema mein bhi hon do. Is acceptable to some, but not to all.

I still don't understand why the desperation for everyone to agree "Nepotism is the bestest of the bestest and we have got to bow down" - 😆

I mean why so much mirchi if some of us aren't alright with the chalta hain, hota hain attitude!

If you don't like the so called outrage, sit back and relax - let others be part of the change! 😆

I can understand essays coming from our side because we are trying to take a stand but essays coming from the other side to silence us is hilarious af! 😆😆

On serious note - Ofc there are many reasons why a said product may not be liked or appreciated but to use that against the outrage is like saying Nepo defenders has to watch and go Yayy Yayyy on each and every Nepo product even if it means to watch plastic, one expressioned bloated faces for 2 to 3 hrs!

I mean kuch bhi matlab - thoda toh logic use karo! 😆

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

Arree why would they do that, this is their only motive here everytime they log in - how to mock outsiders' defenders, how to pick on others hypocrisy, how to preach on bullying against Karan and Alia while bullying and shading a member here so on and so forth! It's their usual life on the forum! 😆

@blue .... Perfectly said! It definitely isn't a one day process nor is it as black and white (like you pointed out) as being portrayed here!

And kya ukhaad liya by opening a topic like this - This subject has become a subject of trolling anyways - Today is this topic tomorrow they'll find another subject to troll - except it's unfortunate that this subject has become a troll subject - Siggghhh!

arey am just a wandering sheep...I had no clue this place is filled with nepotism apologists...I mean they exist for real ??? 🤣