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Krishna knew Ashwatthama better than anybody else.

When Bhima goes after Ashwatthama after the midnight massacre. Krishna warns Yudhi. Tells him about how Ashwatthama is a unscrupulous, bad guy, who if pushed to a corner will do whatever it takes to destroy the enemy.

No one till then could believe what Ashwi had done.

But Krishna knew. He had judged ashwi's charachter correctly.

Krishna also knew Kritaverma very well

Krishna knew something was planned and he took Pandavas and satyaki away.

He may not have planned the massacre. But he was definetly aware of it being planned and he did not stop it.

He could have easily stopped it if Pandavas and satyaki stayed in the camp. They would have taken care of the three monsters. But he did not.

Taking Pandavs and satyaki away did not save their lives. It got uppandavas and panchalas killed.

Still Krishna being involved in the killings of Uppandavas and Panchal Kumars by Ashwathama is something very unbelievable. They were the only blood relatives of Draupadi who were alive

Aside Krishna could have died in the war, how would he enable Pradyumna as Emperor then? Not just that why even support Yudhishtir? After winning he would definitely go for imperial campaigns increasing competition of Krishna's aim

He was related by marriage with both sides, his adopted son was married to Duryodhan's Daughter and his sister to Yudhishtir's brother, he had a good excuse to completely stay neutral. Duryodhan didn't have any imperial dreams, he wasn't even capable of it unlike Pandavas. A victory of Kauravas would have actually helped Krishna

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Krishna knew Ashwatthama better than anybody else.

When Bhima goes after Ashwatthama after the midnight massacre. Krishna warns Yudhi. Tells him about how Ashwatthama is a unscrupulous, bad guy, who if pushed to a corner will do whatever it takes to destroy the enemy.

No one till then could believe what Ashwi had done.

But Krishna knew. He had judged ashwi's charachter correctly.

Krishna also knew Kritaverma very well

Krishna knew something was planned and he took Pandavas and satyaki away.

He may not have planned the massacre. But he was definetly aware of it being planned and he did not stop it.

He could have easily stopped it if Pandavas and satyaki stayed in the camp. They would have taken care of the three monsters. But he did not.

Taking Pandavs and satyaki away did not save their lives. It got uppandavas and panchalas killed.

He could have at least let Yudhishtir stay there, Yudhishtir was not a match for three top notch Kaurav warriors. Aside if Kritvarma was and anti Krishna, what benefit would a midnight massacre of Pandavas give to him? He would have been deemed a murderer and treacherous. And no benefit at all

Originally posted by: Chiillii

1. Krishna was never aiming for Yadava supremacy. He was aiming for his supremacy.

Please note this big difference. Balram, Kritaverma, Samba were not the people he wanted to rule.

It was Pradyumna, Aniruddha and Vajra.

Krishna was a good guy who knew Balram was as bad as Duryodhan, maybe even worse and completely unfit to rule.

Pradyumna was not his son. He was his protege. He wanted best for society. And he already had a best protege in Pradyumna. He had absolutely no use for Yudhi.

Please honestly tell me compared to Pradyumna's actions in the epic and Yudhis who is better.

He had as much problems from Shishupal as he had from Balram. If Shishupal was going after Rukmi, Samba went after the women he saved and made his wife.

If Jarasandh accused him as murderer and usurper. Balram and Kritaverma and satrajit also accused him as murderer and thief.

Akrura stole all Krishna's money from satya's dowry and ran away. And when he returned he still had the control of the money. Not Krishna. Krishna couldnt keep it because of Balram and Vasudev.

Balram owned Dwarka. He was the eldest son of Vasudev. It was his wife Revati who brought the land of Dwarka as dowry from her father. He had the right to rule. Krishna did not. When Balram went to mithila, all yadavas went after him. No one stayed by Krishna's side.

Yadaavs were using Krishna and supported him as long as he did not try to gain power. Otherwise they all would go against him..And all the yadaavs were bad guys

This was a fact that never changed.

All that lovey dovey feelings of Balram towards his brother is all nonsense.

When Krishna came for an alliance with Drupad and Pandavas he was alone. He needed a best friend Arjun as much as Arjun needed him.

He went ahead with polyandry, as there was nothing he could do.

For the time being Yudhi could aspire to be emperor. Arjun will become Krishnas friend and help him when needed, so would Bhima and twins. Draupadi will keep an eye on everyone. Krishna could use them to forge alliances and get rid of enemies

And when timing is right in future, do whatever is needed to be done.

Thank u for sharing this detail coz I was always having mix views regarding balram , now I got some clearity.

I always use 2 think if krishna married arjun Subhadra 4 political reasons then why dint he chose Yudi 4 subhadra rather commander in cheif of indraprastha.

Now I got clearity he binded arjun more with him by marrying subhadra to him as both needed each other.

Again people in politics there cannot be any plans.

Best laid plans can and do sometimes fail.

Modi makes plans, his plans fail. And when his plans dont fail, a virus comes and messes up everything.

Krishna absolutely did not plan anything. Vyasa absolutely did not plan anything.

Nobody could ever plan everything in real life.

Best laid plans can and do sometimes fail.

What Vyasa and Krishna did have were goals. No plans only goals

To get the best guy they thought to be an emperor.

And they took advantage of opportunities as they presented themselves.

Polyandry was not pre planned. Vyasa took advantage of an opportunity that presented itself

Drupad / Krishna planned Arjun to win Draupadi

Vyasa planned Yudhi to marry Draupadi. That is why he sends them towards Ekchakra. And a brahmin comes and informs them about the Swayamvar.

When Vyasa comes to know about swayamvar, he rushes back to Pandaavs and tells them to attend swayamvar but Draupadi will marry all 5

Vyasa took advantage of the opportunity and made it a polyandry.

This is given in the epic. It is a fact.

Krishna accepted it as fait accompli. There was no other option for him at the time

Subhadra haran was not pre planned. Krishna took advantage of an opportunity that presented itself

It was an opportunity that Krishna noticed as soon as Arjun landed in Dwarka and started eyeing Subhadra. Arjun may have intentionally turned up to marry her though.

He suspected problems from subhadra herself and maybe even Balram, so he suggested kidnapping

It served his interest as it binded Arjun to him.

The war was not pre planned. Krishna took advantage of an opportunity that presented itself

But when Pandavas chose him as final messenger of peace. It was an opportunity that Krishna took advantage of to make the war happen.

Deaths of anyone in the war was not pre planned. Krishna took advantage of opportunity that presented itself to get rid of people he did not want alive.

People who lived , lived because of their martial prowess and luck.

Even Ghatothkach, whose death was an opportunity presented to Krishna who took advantage of it.

Uppandaavs and Panchal massacre was not pre planned.

Kritaverma was -$=!*@3:6!!,

Ashwi was -$="?*(*:" with severe PTSD.

Kripa was with severe PTSD.

They went crazy after the horrible war and decided one final cowardly act to win.

But Krishna knew Kritaverma and Ashwi enough and most likely had spies on them

Because the epic says he suspected something worse was about to happen and he took Pandavas and Satyaki away.

He knew and took those guys away. He took advantage of an opportunity that presented itself.

My question. The attack was not a surprise for him. He knew. Why not stay back with alert Pandaavs and save everyone.

Arjun was in popular demand by both d parties ( vyas & krishna) 🤣🤣

I want 2 ask these slave grls which were given in dowry of queens or as gifts by different kings , this all comes under human trafficking right ?

I think we should stop giving arjuna credit more than he deserves. There is nothing in the text that suggest that krishna wouldn't have been abled to defeat drona had it not been for oh so great arjuna. Hell in the final fight it was krishna who planned it and drishtdyum and bheem yudhishtra who executed it while arjuna was more into taunting his own team members. Krishna had he wanted panchal for his own supremacy could have easily married panchali

That way atleast my krishnaa would have been far far was from despicable kauravas and good for nothing pandavas

Krishna and krishnaa could have captured imperial throne and ruled

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

I want 2 ask these slave grls which were given in dowry of queens or as gifts by different kings , this all comes under human trafficking right ?

Yes. Slavery is exactly that. Human trafficking. But that wasn't a crime

Krishna never cared about Drona. Drona was Drupad's revenge.

He had bigger problems.. Starting from Jarasandh and ending with Balram

He needed a friend, a brother, a warrior, maybe someone who would just listen to him and ask important questions. Arjun fit all these roles beautifully.

Again please look at bigger picture like Krishna. He had multiple problems..multiple strategies going on simultaneously to deal with each of those problems. Some worked. Some failed

He was an expert politician adapting himself to people and situations and moving on towards his end goal.

However I am still having an open mind and I can accept that Krishna did not back stab Yudhi and Drau and BANS

If someone can tell me a good reason why Krishna if he suspected something bad was going to happen, did not alert Pandavas their sons and Panchalas and stay back to deal with it. Why did he remove Pandavas and Satyaki from the camp.