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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

That to even I said I agreed

I simply said that going by Draupadi's character it doesn't she doesn't seem one who would have agreed to a thing she didn't consent to

If you read Subhadraharan part, You'll see all of this was Krishna's plan, and same Krishna has history of supporting and fighting for women who went through molestation, so Krishna orchestrating his sister's rape is something I don't see happening because he did send Balaram behind Arjuna, not to stop him from marrying Subhadra but to bring them back and get them married, Subhadraharan wasn't for consent of Subhadra, They didn't ask it before or after it, It was for agreement of Yadavas

People asking Draupadi isn't mentioned, Draupadi or Drupad knowing about it isn't mentioned, in fact Dristadumya spied on Brahmans who won Draupadi and informed Drupad about them being Pandavas -

When morning came, the prince Dhristadyumna set out from his place of concealment with great haste in order to report to Drupada in detail all that had happened at the potter's abode and all that he had heard those heroes speak amongst themselves during the night. The king of Panchala had been sad because he knew not the Pandavas as those who had taken away his daughter. And the illustrious monarch asked Dhristadyumna on his return, 'Oh, where hath Krishna gone? Who hath taken her away? Hath any Sudra or anybody of mean descent, or hath a tribute-paying Vaisya by taking my daughter away, placed his dirty foot on my head? O son, hath that wreath of flowers been thrown away on a grave-yard? Hath any Kshatriya of high birth, or any one of the superior order (Brahmana) obtained my daughter? Hath any one of mean descent, by having won Krishna, placed his left foot on my head? I would not, O son, grieve but feel greatly happy, if my daughter hath been united with Partha that foremost of men! O thou exalted one, tell me truly who hath won my daughter today? O, are the sons of that foremost of Kurus, Vichitravirya's son alive? Was it Partha (Arjuna) that took up the bow and shot the mark?'"

Originally posted by: naq5

wasnt subhadras swayanvar announced when she was abducted? because krishna mentioned to arjuna that he does not know who his sister will choose in case of swayamvar hence asked him to abduct her.

I also believe that there was a forced abduction and marriage later on with consent of subhadras family, but rape immediately after abduction and before marriage i dont think happened. i cant believe krishna who fought for his friends honor would allow arjun to rape subhadra. the consummation might have happened after the marriage. the woman was supposed to consent after marriage. though it was not the right thing that is how it was those days. they dint have courtship time after marriage.

regarding abduction marriage. it was a norm back then. even bhishma got wives for his brothers that way. Women dint really have much choice or rights to choose and say no. even draupadi was married off to 5 people without it being her decicion. that she was happy with it is mentioned so we know, because shubhadra ka is not mentioned we do not know if she was happy with marriage with arjun or not.

No Swayamwar wasn't arranged or announced back then. The statement was mostly like there would be a Swayamwar in future where what she would do is not known.

The consummation definitely would have happened after marriage nothing suggests otherwise. But my point is a girl of 15, who is suddenly abducted, gets married is still in PTSD, is having a consummation of marriage to child bearing. Not sure but I can't consider this acceptable. Maybe that was Ok as per Dwapar Yug standards but then so was pulling a slave or disrobing her.

Just I can't admit to myself that Arjun could have done this or Krishna would have allowed this to happen

Thanks to the new DT not been up by now, seems we will complete 150 pages here

Originally posted by: naq5

wasnt subhadras swayanvar announced when she was abducted? because krishna mentioned to arjuna that he does not know who his sister will choose in case of swayamvar hence asked him to abduct her.

I also believe that there was a forced abduction and marriage later on with consent of subhadras family, but rape immediately after abduction and before marriage i dont think happened. i cant believe krishna who fought for his friends honor would allow arjun to rape subhadra. the consummation might have happened after the marriage. the woman was supposed to consent after marriage. though it was not the right thing that is how it was those days. they dint have courtship time after marriage.

regarding abduction marriage. it was a norm back then. even bhishma got wives for his brothers that way. Women dint really have much choice or rights to choose and say no. even draupadi was married off to 5 people without it being her decicion. that she was happy with it is mentioned so we know, because shubhadra ka is not mentioned we do not know if she was happy with marriage with arjun or not.

Yes, Krishna spoke about Subhadra's Swayamvar, so most likely she was old enough to be married

Killing people was norm, I mean not a single individual from Mahabharata would spend their time outside prison in today's world

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Originally posted by: NoraSM

Yes, Krishna spoke about Subhadra's Swayamvar, so most likely she was old enough to be married

Killing people was norm, I mean not a single individual from Mahabharata would spend their time outside prison in today's world

The Swayamwar wasn't arranged or proposed then. But it's like definitely sure that it would happen some day

Originally posted by: Krishnapanchali

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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

The Swayamwar wasn't arranged or proposed then. But it's like definitely sure that it would happen some day

I think urgency of it and Krishna saying he is not sure, who she will select means he didn't have much time, if he had years why wouldn't he wait? It was Krishna's plan, There's no hostility from Subhadra's side against Krishna or Arjuna, I don't see a rape victim thinking good about her rapist

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I think urgency of it and Krishna saying he is not sure, who she will select means he didn't have much time, if he had years why wouldn't he wait? It was Krishna's plan, There's no hostility from Subhadra's side against Krishna or Arjuna, I don't see a rape victim thinking good about her rapist

I am not saying about premarital r**e but marital r**e. And we don't actually know what Subhadra actually felt.

Her Swayamwar wasn't fixed for sure, but probably it could have happened soon. I am therefore considering it to be around 15 years age

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I am not saying about premarital r**e but marital r**e. And we don't actually know what Subhadra actually felt.

Her Swayamwar wasn't fixed for sure, but probably it could have happened soon. I am therefore considering it to be around 15 years age

And Vibhatsu (Arjuna) there obtained for a wife the lotus-eyed and sweet-speeched younger sister of Vasudeva, Subhadra by name. And she became united, in gladness, with Arjuna, the son of Pandu, like Sachi with the great Indra, or Sri with Krishna

Subhadra's interaction with Draupadi showed she wanted good for her husband -

Then that girl of face like the full moon hastily went unto Draupadi and worshipped her, saying, 'I am thy maid!' Krishna rose hastily and embraced the sister of Madhava from affection, and said, 'Let thy husband be without a foe!' Bhadra then, with a delighted heart, said unto Draupadi, 'So be it!'

Marital Rape is husband forcing himself on his wife, What suggested that Arjuna forced himself on her? What about Subhadra's interaction suggest PTSD and rape? I don't see hostility from her side against Krishna and Arjuna

I don't believe in this marital rape or rape theory not because they can't do it but because its not written or suggested in the epic

Abduction for marriage is a crime, Subhadra's right was taken away, I do find both Arjuna and Krishna guilty for this