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Originally posted by: NoraSM

I don't think women had rights back then (Not saying they have rights now) I don't find Swayamvar or arranged marriage as treating them equally, Swayamvar was winning a woman by showing skills which have nothing to do with ability of that man to be a good husband

The important point about "Consent" is, did they ask their daughters or sisters? Did she say "Yes"? Was she allowed to say " No"?

Abduction for marriage is a non bailable offense

There is a difference between arranged marriage and forced marriage. We must understand that. Swayamwar was kind of an arranged marriage, what Subhadra, Bhanumati or Lakshmana had were forced marriage

Originally posted by: NoraSM

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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Yes she could deny a person from participating if she didn't like a personal. That's where this entire rejection to Karna comes from

But it was an interpolation, is there an instance where a woman was recorded saying "No"?

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Someone said "Kumari Chaapi" means 13 years old

Anything below 18 years and without consent of the woman in any form is not normal or right for me

How old was Subhadra? Draupadi wasn't 18+

How old was Uttara, her Swayamvar wasn't announced like Subhadra which is the primary reason for the belief that Subhadra wasn't 18+ or whatever was the marriageable age back then?

Biologically post 16 females are suitable for child bearing

Draupadi was Kumari Chap during her Agni birth, Swayamwar didn't happen immidiately at least 3-4 years later. She would have been around 16-17 at least definitely of child bearing age.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

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Originally posted by: NoraSM

But it was an interpolation, is there an instance where a woman was recorded saying "No"?

There are only two such Swayamwar we know Seeta n Draupadi.

In one we have it, even as interpolations but it is there that definitely shows girls had right to reject if not select in such competitive Swayamwars.

Normal Swayamwars were completely on the wishes of the princess, she decided whom she would garland

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

There is a difference between arranged marriage and forced marriage. We must understand that. Swayamwar was kind of an arranged marriage, what Subhadra, Bhanumati or Lakshmana had were forced marriage

That's why arranged marriage isn't a crime and abduction is a crime

Plus drapaudi was Swamyvaar was always to seek out pandavas/yudhishtra It was all pre planned. Everyone knew panchali knew krishna knew drapaud knew drishtdyum knew.

We were discussing this previous day that both the adoption of drapaudi and drishtdyum and drapaudi s Swamyvaar was pre planned political events

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m14/m14068.htm

Supreme among women, this beauty of

the dark complexion will bring about the destruction of the Kshatriyas. In time, this one with

the beautiful waist will perform the objective of the gods. From her will arise terrible fear

among the Kshatriyas

This was the plan. All the key players did their job vyasa lured pandavas. Krishna was there at the Swamyvaar to see things happens smoothly. Drapaudi knew what was to be done

Pandava created that entire potter house drama. Though i don't think pandavas knew that the other team knew

We can't club drapaudi s Swamyvaar with subdhara s abduction. Because both ot them are different.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

That's why arranged marriage isn't a crime and abduction is a crime

I am not saying both are same but Draupadi wasn't asked or consented to being wife of 5 people

That to even I said I agreed

I simply said that going by Draupadi's character it doesn't she doesn't seem one who would have agreed to a thing she didn't consent to

Originally posted by: NoraSM

It wasn't an abduction marriage, Arjuna abducted her, he was going to Indraprastha but was stopped by Yadavas and brought back to Dwaraka, So Subhadra was untouched by him, They got married in Dwaraka, was it on same day or after a week? I don't know but Subhadra was untouched and she could have said no to marrying Arjuna because she was in Dwaraka and her brothers stopped Arjuna before he could go to IP. It was more like arranged marriage than rape as people were trying to prove

All girls were young including Draupadi and Uttara

Did they ask Draupadi if she wanted to marry 5 Pandavas? It is about her consent

Who asked Uttara if she wanted to marry Abhimanyu?

wasnt subhadras swayanvar announced when she was abducted? because krishna mentioned to arjuna that he does not know who his sister will choose in case of swayamvar hence asked him to abduct her.

I also believe that there was a forced abduction and marriage later on with consent of subhadras family, but rape immediately after abduction and before marriage i dont think happened. i cant believe krishna who fought for his friends honor would allow arjun to rape subhadra. the consummation might have happened after the marriage. the woman was supposed to consent after marriage. though it was not the right thing that is how it was those days. they dint have courtship time after marriage.

regarding abduction marriage. it was a norm back then. even bhishma got wives for his brothers that way. Women dint really have much choice or rights to choose and say no. even draupadi was married off to 5 people without it being her decicion. that she was happy with it is mentioned so we know, because shubhadra ka is not mentioned we do not know if she was happy with marriage with arjun or not.