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And after Parikshit is still born, when Krishna goes to Uttrara's chamber, Panchali announces him to the girl as "your father-in-law."

Originally posted by: Lazybird_Silpa

Abhimanyu is called Krishna's son where?

Multiple times now we are confused which Krishna's son he was called

Krishna as in Dwarikadheesh

Krishnaa as in Draupadi

Krishn as in Arjun-- but rarely has Arjun been called Krishn so why use this word for him

Krishna as in VedVyas-- Son here could mean descandent but then no one else has been called so

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

And after Parikshit is still born, when Krishna goes to Uttrara's chamber, Panchali announces him to the girl as "your father-in-law."

But she says Sasur. Obviously Mama Sasur is also Sasur

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Is there any other reason for this assumption?

Aside remember we also had confusion about Abhimanyu's parentage why is he called Krishna's son

No we don't have any confusion about Abhimanyu coz his birth is well described .

Both arjun & Subhadra were not made or throne hungry that they will give their son 2 anyone else.

Regarding krishna we r forgetting there 4 krishna. Krishna vasudev, arjun himself, draupadi & krishna dwaipayan vedvyas.

Well draupadi has no role in Abhimanyu's life, she is namesake queen mother , so goes 4 krishna dwaipayan vedvyas . Arjun was not many times called krishna . Only vasudev krishna has role in Abhimanyu's life & he was his fav nephew & Abhimanyu had qualities of arjun & krishna both .

Somepeople say arjun himself trained Abhimanyu & upandavas . It's is considered myth that Abhimanyu learnt everything in subhadra's worm

So krishna doesn't mean draupadi only , vedvyas can easily refer as yagyaseni or panchali if he was referring to her

Krishna-Govinda is called Uttara's father-in-law. That should remove any doubt which Krishna was indicated in Karshni. It wasn't Arjuna, Panchali, or Vyasa.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

CHAPTER 917(57)

‘Sanjaya said, “O venerable one! Drona’s son,Bhurishrava, Shalya,Chitrasena158 and Samyamani’s son159 fought with Subhadra’sson.While he was fighting with these five tigers among men alone, peoplesawthat he was extremely energetic and was like a young lion againstelephants. Noone was equal to Krishna’s son160in sureness of aim,courage, valour,knowledge of weapons and dexterity. When Partha sawhis son, the scorcher ofenemies, thus displaying his valour in that battle,he uttered a roar like alion. O lord of the earth! O Indra among kings!Having seen your grandsonoppress your soldiers in this way, those onyour side surrounded him from alldirections. But Subhadra’s son, thedestroyer of enemies, was not dispirited.Using his energy and strength,he attacked the sons of Dhritarashtra.

CHAPTER 916(56)

Many elephants,horses and chariots were running away and therewas a great terror among thehorse-riders and infantry. Bhishma,surrounded by maharathas, saw the one whohad the king of apes on hisstandard. Shantanu’s son had a palm tree on hisstandard, embellishedwith the marks of five palm trees. He rushed against thevaliant Kiriti,who possessed well-trained and swift horses and great weaponsandarrows with the resplendence of the vajra. O king! Many other warriors,withDrona, Kripa, Shalya, Vivimshati, Duryodhana and Somadatta’s sonat theforefront, advanced against Indra’s son, who was like Shakrahimself. Arjuna’sbrave son, Abhimanyu, was skilled in the knowledge ofall weapons and was cladin golden and colourful armour. He rushed outfrom the mass of rathas andattacked. He confounded the great weaponsof all those maharathas. Karshni156performed deeds that wereincapable of being countered. He was like theillustrious fire on asacrificial altar, when the one with the flames has beeninvoked with

great mantras.

CHAPTER918(58)

When Dhrishtadyumna was thus tormented, Abhimanyubecame angry.With great force, he dashed towards the chariot of the king ofMadra.Having reached the chariot of the lord of Madra, Karshni, whosesoulwas immeasurable, pierced Artayani with three arrows.

Later in CHAPTER 918(58)

We saw other large elephants slain and broughtdown byDhrishtadyumna, the great-souled Parshata. In that battle, the kingofMagadha advanced on an elephant that looked like Airavata,171towards thechariot of Subhadra’s son. On seeing Magadha’s mightyelephant advance towardshim, Subhadra’s son, the destroyer of enemyheroes, killed it with an arrow.After depriving him of his elephant,Karshni, the destroyer of enemycities, used a broad-headed and silver-shafted arrow to slice off the king’shead.

CHAPTER 957(97)‘

Dhritarashtra asked,“O Sanjaya! Arjuna’s brave son killed manymaharathas in battle. How didAlambusa counter him in the encounter?How did Subhadra’s son, the destroyer ofenemy heroes, fight withRishyashringa’s son? Tell me all this in detail,exactly as it occurred inthe course of the battle. O Sanjaya! What didDhananjaya do against mysoldiers, and Bhima, foremost among strong ones,rakshasa Ghatotkacha,Nakula, Sahadeva and maharatha Satyaki? O Sanjaya! Tell meall this,because you are skilled.”‘Sanjaya replied, “O venerable one! I willlater tell you about thebattle that took place between the Indra among therakshasas andSubhadra’s son. It made the body hair stand up. I will alsorecount toyou the valour of Arjuna and Pandava Bhimasena in the battle andthatof Nakula and Sahadeva in the encounter. I will also tell you abouttheextraordinary and wonderful deeds of those on your side, performedwithoutfear and with Bhishma and Drona at the forefront. In thatencounter againstmaharatha Abhimanyu, Alambusa roared extremely

loudly. He advanced,roaring again and again, and asking him369 towait. O king! In that battle,Subhadra’s son also roared repeatedly like alion. He attacked the great archerwho was Rishyashringa’s son and wasalso a sworn enemy of his fathers. The manand the rakshasa, foremostamong rathas, swiftly confronted each other in battleon their respectivechariots, like a god and a danava. The foremost amongrakshasas wasskilled in maya and Phalguna’s son was skilled in the use ofdivineweapons. O great king! Krishna’s son used three sharp arrows topierceRishyashringa’s son in that battle and then again pierced him withfivearrows. Alambusa became angry and pierced Krishna’s son in thechestwith nine swift arrows, like forcefully striking a giant elephant withagoad. O descendant of the Bharata lineage! In that battle, the traveller ofthenight, swift in action, used a thousand arrows to oppress Arjuna’sson.Abhimanyu became angry. He shot nine sharp arrows with droopingtufts at therakshasa’s giant chest. They quickly pierced his body andpenetrated his innerorgans. O king! The limbs of that supreme amongrakshasas were mangled and hewas as beautiful as a mountain withblossoming kimshukas. Bearing thosegold-encrusted arrows, the best ofthe rakshasas, immensely strong, was asdazzling as a flaming mountain.O great king! At this, Rishyashringa’s immenselystrong son becamewrathful. He enveloped Krishna’s son, who was like thegreat Indra, witharrows. He released sharp arrows that were like Yama’s staff.Thesepierced Abhimanyu and fell down on the ground. Arjuna’s son shotarrowsthat were decorated with gold. They pierced Alambusa andpenetrated the ground.In that battle, Subhadra’s son used straight-tuftedarrows to make the rakshasaretreat, like Shakra in a battle againstMaya. Having been repulsed, therakshasa, the scorcher of enemies,wished to kill his enemies in the battle andresorted to his great powersof dark maya. He caused everything on the ground tobe enveloped indarkness. Abhimanyu could not be seen. And those on one’s ownside, orthat of the enemy, could not be distinguished in that battle. Onseeingthat terrible and great gloom, Abhimanyu, the descendant of theKurulineage, invoked the supreme weapon known as bhaskara.370 O lord of

the earth! At this,everything in the universe again became visible. Thus,the maya of theevil-souled rakshasa was destroyed. In that encounter,the greatly valorousIndra among rakshasas became angry. He shroudedthe supreme of men withstraight-tufted arrows. The rakshasa used manyother kinds of maya. ButPhalguna’s son, skilled in the use of allweapons and with an immeasurable soul,countered all of them. Therakshasa’s maya was destroyed and he was wounded witharrows. Hediscarded his chariot and fled in great fear.

CHAPTER 990(13)

‘“Pourava was onswift horses and his chariot was stocked with everyimplement. O king! He roaredand attacked Subhadra’s son. Theimmensely strong one swiftly attacked, desiringto fight. Abhimanyu, thedestroyer of enemies, fought a great battle with him.Pourava envelopedSubhadra’s son with a storm of arrows. Arjuna’s son broughtdown hisstandard, umbrella and bow on the ground. Subhadra’s son piercedPouravawith seven swift arrows. He then pierced his horses andcharioteer with fivearrows. The soldiers were delighted at this and heroared repeatedly like alion. Arjuna’s son then quickly affixed an arrowthat was certain to killPourava. But Hardikya83 used two arrows toslice down his bow and arrow.Subhadra’s son, the destroyer of enemyheroes, cast aside that shattered bow. Hegrasped a sharp sword and ashield. He exhibited his own valour and whirled it,as he moved around.He whirled it in front of him and brandished it in the air.He leapt upand shook it. O king! No difference could be distinguished betweenthesword and the shield. He leapt onto the shaft of Pourava’s chariotandsuddenly roared. Having ascended onto Pourava’s chariot, he grasped

him by the side ofthe hair. He killed the charioteer with a kick andsliced down the standard withhis sword. He raised him up, likeTarkshya84 agitating the water of the oceanand raising up a snake fromit. All the kings saw him with his disheveled hair.He looked like anunconscious bull, when it has been brought down by a lion.Jayadrathacould not tolerate the sight of Pourava having been broughtdown,afflicted and without a protector, and in the control of Arjuna’s son.Hegrasped a shield marked with the giant wings of a peacock anddecorated with ahundred bells, and a sword. He roared and jumpeddown from his chariot. Onseeing Saindhava, Krishna’s son85 let go ofPourava. He swiftly leaptdown from the chariot, like a hawk alighting.Spears, lances and swords werehurled towards him by the enemy. But Krishna’s son sliced them down withhis sword or countered them withhis shield. He displayed the strength of hisown arms to the soldiers. Thestrong one again raised his giant sword andshield. The brave oneadvanced against Vriddhakshatra’s heir,86 who was a swornenemy ofhis father’s. It was like a tiger advancing against an elephant.Theycheerfully advanced and attacked each other, using swords as weapons,like atiger and a lion using teeth and claws to fight. No one coulddistinguish anydifference between those lions among men and themotions of the sword and theshield.87 When they whirled their swordsand brought them down, or when theyfended off each other’s blows, nospecial difference could be seen between theweapons. They roamedaround in excellent motions, advancing and retreating. Thegreat-souledones looked like mountains with wings. As he extended his swordtostrike, Jayadratha struck the shield of Subhadra’s illustrious son. Theswordstuck in the radiant shield, which had plates made out of gold andthe greatsword snapped when the king of Sindhu tried to extract itforcefully. On seeingthat the sword had been shattered, Jayadratha wasinstantly seen to retreat sixsteps and climb onto his chariot again. In thebattle, Krishna’s sonresorted to his supreme chariot and all the kingssurrounded him from everydirection. Arjuna’s immensely strong heirraised his shield and sword androared, glancing towards Jayadratha.

Subhadra’s son, thedestroyer of enemy heroes, then abandoned the kingof Sindhu and tormented thesoldiers, like the sun on the earth. In theencounter, Shalya hurled a terriblejavelin at him. It was madecompletely out of iron and was decorated with gold.It was as radiant asthe flames of a fire. As it descended, Krishna’s sonleapt up and caughtit, like Vinata’s son grasping a supreme serpent that hasfallen fromabove. He then unsheathed his sword. On witnessing the dexterityandspirit of that infinitely energetic one, all the kings roared like lions.Subhadra’sson, the destroyer of enemy heroes, then used the valour ofhis arms to hurl thejavelin, radiant with lapis lazuli, back at Shalya. Itwas like a snake that hadjust cast off its skin. It reached Shalya’s chariotand slew his charioteer andbrought him down from the chariot. Virata,Drupada, Dhrishtaketu, Yudhishthira,Satyaki, the Kekayas, Bhima,Dhrishtadyumna, Shikhandi, the twins and Droupadi’ssons utteredsounds of acclamation. There were many different kinds of soundsfromarrows and diverse roars like lions. They arose and delightedSubhadra’sson, who had not retreated. But your sons could not tolerate thosesignsof victory on the part of the enemy. O great king! They suddenlysurroundedhim and enveloped him with sharp arrows, like cloudspouring down on a mountain.Artayani,88 the slayer of enemies, wishedto do what would bring pleasure toyour sons and was enraged becauseof the overthrow of his charioteer. Heattacked Subhadra’s son.”’

CHAPTER 1022(45)

n beholding that theywere shattered,Drona, Drona’s son, Brihadbala, Kripa, Duryodhana, Karna,Kritavarmaand Soubala angrily attacked Subhadra’s unvanquished son. O king!Mostof them were beaten back by your grandson. There was only onewho had been rearedin happiness. He was a child, but proud andfearless. Lakshmana95 was extremelyenergetic and used his arrows andweapons to attack Arjuna’s son. Out of anxietyand affection for the son,the father returned. Other maharathas also returnedand followedDuryodhana. They drenched him with a cloud of arrows, likecloudspouring down rain on a mountain. But he countered them single-handed,likea dry wind driving away the clouds. Your grandson Lakshmana wasinvincible andhandsome. The brave one was stationed near his father,the outstretched bow inhis hand. He had been reared in great happiness

and was like a son ofthe lord of riches.96 Krishna’s son encountered himin battle, like acrazy elephant clashing against another crazy elephant.Subhadra’s son, thedestroyer of enemy heroes, approached Lakshmanaand was pierced on his arms andhis chest by extremely sharp arrowsthat were released from the bow

CHAPTER 1024(47)

‘Sanjaya said,“Phalguna’s son once again pierced Karna in the ear witha barbed arrow.Angering him even more, he pierced him with fiftyarrows. Radheya pierced thegreat warrior back in turn. O descendant ofthe Bharata lineage! Covered witharrows all over his limbs, he107looked extremely radiant. Extremely enraged, hecaused Karna to becovered in blood. Covered with arrows and streaming blood,the braveKarna was also resplendent. Both of them were beautiful with arrowsontheir bodies, and blood flowed from their wounds. Those great-souledoneslooked like flowering kimshuka trees.108 Subhadra’s son destroyedsix of Karna’sadvisers, who were brave and wonderful in the art offighting, together withtheir horses, charioteers, standards and chariots.

Without showing themany honour, he pierced all the other great archersback with ten arrows each andthis was extraordinary. He then slew andbrought down Ashvaketu, the youthfulson of the king of Magadha, withsix arrows, together with his horses and hischarioteer. He used akshurapra arrow to kill Martikavata of Bhoja, who bore thesign of anelephant on his standard. Having done this, he roared and releasedmorearrows. Duhshasana’s son then pierced his four horses with four arrows,hischarioteer with one and Arjuna’s son himself with ten arrows. Atthis, Krishna’sson pierced Duhshasana’s son with seven swift arrows. Hiseyes red withrage, he loudly spoke these words. ‘Like a coward, yourfather has fled from thefield of battle. It is your good fortune that youknow how to fight. But youwill not be able to escape today.’

CHAPTER 1025(48) (here implication is Abhimanyu is maleKrishna’s son)

‘“While Dharmarajalooked on, all the soldiers fled.128 WhenSubhadra’s son was brought down,Ajatashatru saw that his army hadbeen shattered and spoke these words to thebrave ones on his side. ‘Thebrave one did not retreat and has gone to heaven.Do not be frightenedand remain here. We will yet vanquish the enemy in battle.’In distress,the extremely energetic and extremely radiant one spoke thesewords.Dharmaraja was the foremost among warriors and spoke thus, toalleviatetheir misery. ‘He killed many enemy princes in this battle, thosewho were likevenomous serpents. It was only after killing them in battlefirst that Arjuna’sson gave up his life. He killed ten thousand and themaharatha from Kosala.129 Krishna’sson was like Krishna and Arjunaand has certainly gone to Shakra’s abode. Hekilled thousands of rathas,horses, men and elephants. But he was still notcontent with what hehad accomplished in battle. He is the performer ofauspicious deeds. Weshould not grieve.’

CHAPTER 1026(49

Having encountered Duhshasana’s son, Krishna’ssondeparted for Vaivasvata’s137 eternal abode. When Subhadra’s son hasbeenkilled, how will I cast my eyes on Kounteya Arjuna?

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

No we don't have any confusion about Abhimanyu coz his birth is well described .

Both arjun & Subhadra were not made or throne hungry that they will give their son 2 anyone else.

Regarding krishna we r forgetting there 4 krishna. Krishna vasudev, arjun himself, draupadi & krishna dwaipayan vedvyas.

Well draupadi has no role in Abhimanyu's life, she is namesake queen mother , so goes 4 krishna dwaipayan vedvyas . Arjun was not many times called krishna . Only vasudev krishna has role in Abhimanyu's life & he was his fav nephew & Abhimanyu had qualities of arjun & krishna both .

Somepeople say arjun himself trained Abhimanyu & upandavas . It's is considered myth that Abhimanyu learnt everything in subhadra's worm

So krishna doesn't mean draupadi only , vedvyas can easily refer as yagyaseni or panchali if he was referring to her

I have written the same in my last post about 4 Krishnas

Arjun is hardly referred to as Krishna so why is his son called Krishna's son? If they wanted to highlight relations between Abhimanyu n Krishnaji it could be Krishna's nephew, beloved, student why Krishna's son?

Why was Abhimanyu called the heir by Satyaki even in front of Pandavas and no one objected to it? Why not Prativindhya?

Why was Parikshit made the king and not Prativindhya's son?

The things are not as simple even here

If there was doubt Abhimanyu being called Son of Krishna was not about Arjuna:

When he of Vrishni's race said so and presented such a cheerful countenance, Draupadi, repairing thither with great speed, addressed the daughter of Virata, saying,--'O blessed lady, here comes to thee thy father-in-law, the slayer of Madhu, that ancient Rishi of inconceivable soul, that unvanquished one.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m14/m14068.htm

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Multiple times now we are confused which Krishna's son he was called

Krishna as in Dwarikadheesh

Krishnaa as in Draupadi

Krishn as in Arjun-- but rarely has Arjun been called Krishn so why use this word for him

Krishna as in VedVyas-- Son here could mean descandent but then no one else has been called so

Originally posted by: Lazybird_Silpa

it is implied not directly mentioned

No these are direct Mentions