Mahabharat Retelecast Discussion Thread 3 - Page 41

Isn't valmiki s Ramayana oldest and most reliable ??

Sorry my knowledge about Ramayana is very dusty 😆

Originally posted by: Andy3456

I heard Arjun once insulted Yudhisthir? Don't know what he said but something regarding to Draupadi right?

That particular event explained hell lot of things for me about Mahabharata -

'Arjuna said, "Do thou not, O king, address these upbraidings to me, thou that art passing thy time full two miles away from battle

The learned say that the strength of the foremost of Brahmanas lies in speech, and that the Kshatriya's strength is in his arms. Thou, O Bharata, art strong in words and very unfeeling. Thou thinkest me to be like thyself

I always strive to do thee good with my soul, life, sons and wives. Since, not withstanding all this, thou still piercest me with such wordy darts, it is evident that we cannot expect any happiness from thee. Lying on Draupadi's bed thou insultest me

Thou art without any anxiety, O Bharata, and thou art cruel. I have never obtained any happiness from thee.

I do not derive any pleasure from the thought of thy restoration to sovereignty, since thou art addicted to the evil practice of gambling. Having thyself committed a wicked act to which they only are addicted that are low, thou desirest now to vanquish thy foes through our aid

We have never derived any happiness from thee since thou wert engaged in gambling with dice.

It was thou that didst that cruel act in consequence of which the Kauravas have become offenders and are being destroyed. Nations from the North, the West, the East, and the South, are being struck, wounded and slain, after the performance of incomparable feats in battle by great warriors of both sides. It was thou that hadst gambled

It was for thee that we lost our kingdom. Our calamity arose from thee, O king! Striking us, again, with the cruel goad of thy speeches, O king, do not provoke our wrath

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08070.htm

@Blue - Explained why Arjuna was unwilling to fight, he didn't find happiness in fighting this war so that Yudi can be King again

There was so much buried inside heart of these brothers, they didn't like each other, except for Arjuna and Bhima, their bond is beautiful

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

A dharma raj yudhishthira use 2 stake thousands of female maid in his dice game during his rule in indraprastha even he was ok with slavery , that 2 full knowledge of Draupadi, she never tried to stop him .

My mothers says Draupadi & Pandavas were not as ideal as they r projected in tv serials but still they were better than kauravs in many ways.

Pandavas and Draupadi followed norms of their time, it is wrong for us now but it wasn't for them

Draupadi didn't try to stop him because she didn't think it was wrong

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Pandavas and Draupadi followed norms of their time, it is wrong for us now but it wasn't for them

Draupadi didn't try to stop him because she didn't think it was wrong

Draupadi didn't know about human staking until the end. Actually, Bheema says they don't even take courtesan, how can Yudhishtira stake wife?

CE VOL 2 Dyuta Parva 286

Bhima said, “O Yudhishthira! Gamblers have many courtesans in their country. But they are

kind even towards those, and do not stake them in gambling. In the gamble, we have lost to

our enemies the riches and other excellent objects that the King of Kashi brought, the gems

and other gifts that the other lords of the earth brought, mounts, riches, armour, weapons,

the kingdom and even ourselves.

Hi guys, this is Tina

I was a bit active in the beginning of thread 1 but later became inactive though I used read silently all the discussions. But since you guys are discussing about pandavas and panchali I got interested.

The one thing I refuse to believe is that their lives were filled with sufferings right from birth till their death . I feel like all these serials use this theory to glorify them or something like that. But tbh I feel like their lives were pretty great until the dice game atleast panchali's was. Unlike how they showed in starbharat panchali was very well accepted by her father and she did not get insulted for having 5 husbands until the dice game because in those times nobody really cared about how many spouses one person took ,it is only in kalyug that we get shocked about the fact that a woman had 5 husbands. Even in indraprastha their lives were pretty great. It only after the dice game that their real struggles began.

And regarding the previous discussions I think of panchali as someone who was a very powerful and strong woman who knew that her wishes and voice mattered and was actually very pampered and loved by her husbands. I didn't like how starbharat tried to make her so mellow in the beginning and made her taking 5 husbands look like a big sacrifice. She was actually pretty happy with the decision and was not ashamed of it all and tbh nobody cared because it was her life and not their business. I feel like people couldn't and still can't handle the fact that a woman was given so much power and such a control on her five husbands. Strong women like panchali are always remarked as arrogant. Why even Krishna's wife satyabhama is always remarked as arrogant and demanding because of her strong will.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Draupadi didn't know about human staking until the end. Actually, Bheema says they don't even take courtesan, how can Yudhishtira stake wife?

"Yudhishthira said,--'I have a hundred thousand serving-girls, all young, and decked with golden bracelets on their wrists and upper arms, and with nishkas round their necks and other ornaments, adorned with costly garlands and attired in rich robes, daubed with the sandal paste, wearing jewels and gold, and well-skilled in the four and sixty elegant arts, especially versed in dancing and singing, and who wait upon and serve at my command the celestials, the Snataka Brahmanas, and kings. With this wealth, O king, I will stake with thee!'"

Yudi staked serving girls

I don't know whether Draupadi knew about it or not

Originally posted by: NoraSM

"Yudhishthira said,--'I have a hundred thousand serving-girls, all young, and decked with golden bracelets on their wrists and upper arms, and with nishkas round their necks and other ornaments, adorned with costly garlands and attired in rich robes, daubed with the sandal paste, wearing jewels and gold, and well-skilled in the four and sixty elegant arts, especially versed in dancing and singing, and who wait upon and serve at my command the celestials, the Snataka Brahmanas, and kings. With this wealth, O king, I will stake with thee!'"

Yudi staked serving girls

I don't know whether Draupadi knew about it or not

I know he did. What DeepikaGupta was saying was Panchali knew about it.

What I'm saying is Bheema's statement clearly says this was the first time it happened.

That Panchali even knew human staking happened was when pratikami went to her.

I don't think Panchali needs absolution for a crime she didn't commit.

Yudhishtira's crime is not Panchali's.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I know he did. What DeepikaGupta was saying was Panchali knew about it.

What I'm saying is Bheema's statement clearly says this was the first time it happened.

That Panchali even knew human staking happened was when pratikami went to her.

I don't think Panchali needs absolution for a crime she didn't commit.

No

The original post said Draupadi knew about slaves in Indraprastha and didn't try to stop them, that's why I replied that slavery was a norm, we can't judge her from today's standards

^^^ I think even Twins did have close bonding but it wasn't like all five were each others' top priority or first love like it is portrayed today

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I know he did. What DeepikaGupta was saying was Panchali knew about it.

What I'm saying is Bheema's statement clearly says this was the first time it happened.

That Panchali even knew human staking happened was when pratikami went to her.

I don't think Panchali needs absolution for a crime she didn't commit.

Yudhishtira's crime is not Panchali's.

Excuse me ma'am pachali was lady who knew every worker , soldier, helper by his or her name & features , infact I heard no one is kept for work also without her approval , this was her authority,

Regarding slavery I had doubt which was cleared by others.