Why didn't Krishna participate in Draupadi swayamvar? - Page 3

Originally posted by: Eloquent

Divine- I think it interesting that while Rama in Ramayana was the protagonist i.e. it was his story, he who suffered, he who was exiled. Rama was THE King.

Krishna in MBH wasn't the protagonist. He was the sutradhar or pupeteer, moving his puppets here n there. Krishna was Kingmaker.

Draupadi was his instrument to Kurukshetra & ensure destruction of majority of the Kshatriyas. If he had married her, Kurukshetra wouldn't have happened.

Political - This is something which baffles me. He moved pieces politically so that the Pandavas were made the emperors of Bharatvarsh & Draupadi the empress.

Why not marry the Yadavas-Panchalas?

Why not have aspirations for a Yadava nation then?

If one can say he wanted to be linked to both major nations i.e. Kurus & Panchalas, why not have aspirations for his own clan? Why be the Kingmaker rather than King?

Human - Again he & Draupadi were already friends & got along well. Like it's mentioned in the text, Draupadi did NOT restrict the other wives of the Pandavas, so that argument can't be applied here.

I don't think she would have made any trouble for the other wives of Krishna.

I beg to disagree. If we are taking divine aspect then if krishna is called narayan even drapaudi is mentioned as sree. so i don't think either of them were instruments they were equal in this just like how both ram and sita were equal in Ramayana

Political - I don't think he was the only one playing this game. There were other important players. Panchal looking for a powerful alliance to strengthen their hold on the political scenario Vyasa who clearly wanted yudhishtra to sit on the throne that s why he asks pandavas to go for drapaudi s Swamyvaar. Then there was yudhishtra who wanted throne and duryodhan too. And ofcourse jarasandh So i don't think he had complete control over anything He was just smart enough to manipulate certain situation to his advantage like he did with pandavas panchali alliance while vyasa played from one side Krishna readied the other

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

I beg to disagree. If we are taking divine aspect then if krishna is called narayan even drapaudi is mentioned as sree. so i don't think either of them were instruments they were equal in this just like how both ram and sita were equal in Ramayana

Political - I don't think he was the only one playing this game. There were other important players. Panchal looking for a powerful alliance to strengthen their hold on the political scenario Vyasa who clearly wanted yudhishtra to sit on the throne that s why he asks pandavas to go for drapaudi s Swamyvaar. Then there was yudhishtra who wanted throne and duryodhan too. So i don't think he had complete control over anything He was just smart enough to manipulate certain situation to his advantage like he did with pandavas panchali alliance while vyasa played from one side Krishna readied the other

@divine - Draupadi is called to be incarnations of soooo many goddesses 🤣

Because she's wife of Pandavas, she's called incarnations of Sachi (Arjuna), Bharti (Bhima?), other godesses who's name I can't recall right now.

Then she's called "Sree" who is one expression of Goddess Lakshmi (not purna avatar as Sita was purna avatar of Lakshmi ji & hence equal to Rama/Vishnu)

Finally, she's also linked to Gauri-Parvati i.e. Draupadi is incarnation of Goddess Kaali due to her role in destruction of Kshatriya clan in kurukshetra. In this, Krishna-Draupadi cannot marry due to Shiva & Lakshmi.

Ab tum hi batao ki ek stree kya kya karegi...kis kis ka avatar banegi

Originally posted by: Eloquent

@divine - Draupadi is called to be incarnations of soooo many goddesses 🤣

Because she's wife of Pandavas, she's called incarnations of Sachi (Arjuna), Bharti (Bhima?), other godesses who's name I can't recall right now.

Then she's called "Sree" who is one expression of Goddess Lakshmi (not purna avatar as Sita was purna avatar of Lakshmi ji & hence equal to Rama/Vishnu)

Finally, she's also linked to Gauri-Parvati i.e. Draupadi is incarnation of Goddess Kaali due to her role in destruction of Kshatriya clan in kurukshetra. In this, Krishna-Draupadi cannot marry due to Shiva & Lakshmi.

Ab tum hi batao ki ek stree kya kya karegi...kis kis ka avatar banegi

Vaishampanya only calls her sree. Other avatars are not mentioned in Mahabharata

Subdhara is mentioned as sachi

Plus both Krishna and krishnaa echoes the same thought process.

Originally posted by: proteeti

I think in this narrative, Krishna was looking for a bypass option. Jahan he would annihilate BOTH Kurus and Panchalas (and every other potential powerful kingdom), without a scratch to his own clan, and in the end there wouldn't be a second King to challenge the Yadava claims.

And wahi hua right? Parikshit was way more Yadava than a Kaurava/Pandava.

That is why Drau ka Ps se marriage.

That is why Subhadra's abduction.

Krishna defo. had a greater plan in mind.

Also this way, you cannot in any way point a finger at him for the de facto Yadava kingdom. 😆

@bold - But Parikshit was Yadava/Kuru right? Maybe 3/4th Yadava genes due to Arjuna himself being half Yadava due to Kunti but...

By being brought up the Kuru way & learning to be a Kuru king, doesn't that defeat the Yadava purpose?

@redb- but then he accepts the ruination of Yadava clans in Maushala parv no?

Originally posted by: Eloquent

@bold - But Parikshit was Yadava/Kuru right? Maybe 3/4th Yadava genes due to Arjuna himself being half Yadava due to Kunti but...

By being brought up the Kuru way & learning to be a Kuru king, doesn't that defeat the Yadava purpose?

@redb- but then he accepts the ruination of Yadava clans in Maushala parv no?

Parikshit was still a kid and in his formative years only the Mahaprasthan happened. He was practically raised by Subhadra.

The main Yadavas weren't involved in the mainland India politics. Only Krishna and a couple of his friends were.

After MB concluded, there were only 2 powerful kings in the whole of India- the Yadava Kimg Vajra, Krishna's great grandson, and Parikshit who was naam se Kuru kaam se Yadav.

This is based on my interpretation only but I believe since YBANS had so immense faith in Krishna and the fact ke Krishna literally saved Pari's life most probably thrre was significant Yadava influence in his life. 😉

Originally posted by: proteeti

Parikshit was still a kid and in his formative years only the Mahaprasthan happened. He was practically raised by Subhadra.

The main Yadavas weren't involved in the mainland India politics. Only Krishna and a couple of his friends were.

After MB concluded, there were only 2 powerful kings in the whole of India- the Yadava Kimg Vajra, Krishna's great grandson, and Parikshit who was naam se Kuru kaam se Yadav.

This is based on my interpretation only but I believe since YBANS had so immense faith in Krishna and the fact ke Krishna literally saved Pari's life most probably thrre was significant Yadava influence in his life. 😉

If Pandavas ruled for 36 years before Mahaprasthan then how could Parikshit be kid at that time

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

If Pandavas ruled for 36 years before Mahaprasthan then how could Parikshit be kid at that time

Look this is one thing I can't explain. 😅 Pari's being a kid is more reiterated in both mb and sb tho. I think for this theory to work we have to assume the 36 years this was a hyperbole. 🤷🏽‍♀️😆

Question -

1 I have read answers and through this, it seems Krishna was Draupadi's friend before her Swayamvar, Is there a mention of this?

2 Did Krishna really hold the influencial power in Panchal?

3 Why would Drupad wait for Pandavas and support them through a difficult war instead of marrying her daughter to current Crown Prince Duryodhana? The only reason Pandavas could go back was because they had Panchal backing them, if the only aim was uniting Panchal and Kurus which happened after years of war, one would marry Draupadi to Duryodhana and make her a queen right away, support Kurus against Pandavas who didn't have anything

I have actually a very dark theory but that would actually hurt many. Also I think it could be considered blasphemous.

But it Uppandavas were saved, one of them would have ascended the throne after Yudhishtir (instead of going a generation late)

Yadavs were pretty much equally divided between both the Kuru segments. Krishna ji with Pandavas, Balram ji with Kauravas. Satyaki and his team of army with Pandavas and Kritvarma and rest of the Narayani Sena with Kauravas. This means irrespective of who would have won Yadavs were to be in the winning side

Cut to the last day of the war. After being made the Senapati, Ashwathama left. There however was no army to lead and the war was practically over. Still he wanted to continue.. He reached out to the tents of Pandavas

Why did he think about killing the Pandavas?? Even their death wouldn't have Changed the results of the war! Was it only to avenge his father? But he was a warrior, why did he take the night time for it? Why didn't he even check on the people inside the tent before starting with the attack?

Oh wait. Didn't Kritvarma meet him after his becoming the Senapati??? What exactly did they talk?? Was it something which we don't know?

Why were the Pandavas not in their tent and Uppandavas+Panchal princes were??

(Many later sources say that Krishna ji had adviced Pandavas for this)

So Ashwathama attacks and we bingo all the Uppandavas and Panchal princes die. .

Now there is no one to rule Panchal Rajya and no Uppandavas to succeed Pandavas. Unfortunately these have to be ruled by Half Yadav Parikshit now!!!!

Both Abhimanyu and Vrihsena died a near equal death, combating many warriors of the enemy side simultaneously and having been killed brutally, so why is only Abhimanyu mourned in this way? Was it because being a Yadav he was expected to stay alive for greater things

No judgement just a narration think on it

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Question -

1 I have read answers and through this, it seems Krishna was Draupadi's friend before her Swayamvar, Is there a mention of this?

2 Did Krishna really hold the influencial power in Panchal?

3 Why would Drupad wait for Pandavas and support them through a difficult war instead of marrying her daughter to current Crown Prince Duryodhana? The only reason Pandavas could go back was because they had Panchal backing them, if the only aim was uniting Panchal and Kurus which happened after years of war, one would marry Draupadi to Duryodhana and make her a queen right away, support Kurus against Pandavas who didn't have anything

1- It isn't specifically mentioned that Draupadi and Krishna were friends from years, but it is implied in the Swayamwar itself

2- Krishna definitely didn't have influfencial powers in Panchal court but was definitely a dignitary and was personally great in manipulation

3--Pandavas were the first cousins of Krishna Balram, they would anyday expect more support from them. Aside I don't think intention was remove Duryodhan from contention, but they did want an alliance with someone talented enough, hence the competition, Duryodhan couldn't just an it

Waise I feel so awkward to think that Sahdev's mama tried to woo the girl who eventually Sahdev married (considering polygamy to be true)